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[Vhalkyrie]

I really loved the book "Sphere" by Michael Crichton. Until I got to the ending. My reaction to the ME3 was pretty much exactly the same as "Sphere". Epic! Fantastic! Best Ever! And then it was...I hated that ending.

[Oakenshield1]

2001 A Space Odyssey. That was... I don't even know... at least I can analyze ME 3. That one... it's tough to analyze acid trips, man.

[Oakenshield1]

Mesmurae wrote...

Firefly had a better ending than ME3, and that show got canceled...

But then we got Senenity which was freaking epic.

[JulienJaden]

stcalvin13 wrote...

The obvious candidate is BSG, but I think that ending--bad though it was--at least got some things right. 1) Most importantly, It focused on the characters--we got to see everyone make it to earth got to spend the basically the entire last hour with them. No drroping them on a planet and then cutting to black. 2) Hera (the kid we where told was so important for the whole series) turned out to be the most recent genetic ancestor to every living human, which is kinda important, I guess. and 3) The whole goal of the series--find earth--was sorta accomplished.

That's not to defend it, but I think it's pretty clearly superior to ME3's endings on these counts.

BSG's ending made a lot more sense than ME3's. It wasn't perfect, but it was good. They put effort into answering questions and making it coherent. ME3 did no such thing.

[Denethar]

OhoniX wrote...

The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
ET
Revenge of the Sith
Avatar
Independence Day
Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar Galactica
Caprica
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek (the new movie)

I don't know, there are more but those are the ones that come to mind.

I'd take at least 50% of that list away. SG-1 for example had a quite fitting ending. Not to mention that they had already announced in advance a movie that would finish lose ends.

[Joran Anduril]

Hey, sue me, I liked the BSG ending. It gave the characters closure and ended the main story arc. I thought most of the characters ended up in the right mental and emotional place, too.

Star Trek Enterprise and the last 2 TNG movies are the only other examples of endings that disrespect their characters, universe, and core fan base as much as the ME3 ending that I can think of. After I finished ME3, I felt like I felt after I'd seen Nemesis, only worse, because while Nemesis was stupid, incoherent, and barely a TNG movie, it wasn't a bleak orgy of nihilism. It DID, however, very nearly destroy the entire Star Trek IP, so Bioware should learn their lesson.

Modifié par Joran Anduril, 04 avril 2012 - 02:30 .

[Captain Arty]

DaeJi wrote...

I would say no. Sure, some endings may be "technically" worse, but I can think of no other endings that cased as much damage to a franchise as the ending to Mass Effect 3.

Agreed. I've been asking friends that haven't played Mass Effect to give me suggestions for what might be worse. I get the standard list over and over again, but nothing that fails on multiple levels and in all elements as ME3 does.

To do worse than Mass Effect 3, an ending would have to:

1) Fail the theme of the story.
2) Lose narrative coherence by generating plotholes and logical failures.
3) Use sloppy production and writing.

I can think of several that do one of the above, but no others do all of the above. The analogies to Lord of the Rings floating around are good examples. If Lord of the Rings had followed a similar pattern, Tom Bombadil would have jumped out from behind a rock in Mount Doom, told Frodo he actually created Sauron as his solution, and that the army of orcs and evil was really just meant to protect all the people of the world by killing them. It's such a terrible, terrible idea it's unthinkable how Mac Walters and Casey Hudson came up with it.

Modifié par Captain Arty, 04 avril 2012 - 02:29 .

[Alexius]

ducentar wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Elios wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.

well if you want to drag anime in to this Neon Genesis Evangelion wins hands down people LITRALY stormed GAINAX over that one and Kareshi Kanojo no Jijō was pretty bad too another GAINAX anime
Yukikaza had pretty WTF ending too O.o even the novel was pretty bad

Zeta Gundam has a pretty downer ending but other 2 or 3 people that died to do rather derp and out character things it worked out imo and is good way to show how to do the downer ending right

Interesting point about Neon Genesis Evangelion. The funny part is, the 'clarified' ending (End of Evangelion) was even worse. Retakers would be rioting on the streets if the ending was like this.

^^ Probably the worst endings in Scifi ever(both of them as you pointed out). I got it, wasn't over my head,  but it just wasn't rewarding for me watching the series at all.

Funny thing is many of the issues occuring between Bioware and fans of the series is a mirror almost to a tee with what occured with Hideaki Anno and fans of NGE. Even more so it is over an ending that overshadwed the rest of the series. Still one of my favorite series, but i generally just don't bother with the last two episodes.

I'm surprised NGE hasn't come up more frequently here. The situation is almost too similar, isn't it? Worst part is that the clarification is worse than whatever came before. But it serves as an example that even in other media the fans' response has some importance.

Still the NGE ending is in tune with the rest of the series. I don't think the ME3 one is.

[omntt]

Worse? Certainly. Inadequate like this one? No.
And honestly 2001 and BSG endings are both superior.
2001 didn't promise you nothing, never. You can argue that instead of space trips we could have a contact with aliens, but again at least it doesn't screw over 100 hours of story.
BSG... I didn't like its ending, but at least he gave you more time to accept it then....10 minutes?

[ragecage559]

OhoniX wrote...

The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
ET
Revenge of the Sith
Avatar
Independence Day
Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar Galactica
Caprica
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek (the new movie)

I don't know, there are more but those are the ones that come to mind.

Oh thanks for reminding me about ST:TNG, that was a turd of an ending. The new ST movie though was awesome for an action movie and I don't see what was wrong with that ending, opening the door to future movies. A lot of people complain about it, but turning it into an action series is the only way to make it financially viable to even continue making the series. Which I will take that over just flat out not making any new ST movies.

My list of worst endings.

The worst ending for a movie was Titanic. Can't believe that big ship sank WTF? j/k

[Captain Arty]

OhoniX wrote...

The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
ET
Revenge of the Sith
Avatar
Independence Day
Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar Galactica
Caprica
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek (the new movie)

I don't know, there are more but those are the ones that come to mind.

I disagree that these are worse than ME3. With the exception of Matrix Revolutions, all those endings fit the theme of their story. They may be corny or implausible, but they still fit the story they told.

[nevar00]

Off hand, I really can't think of ANY endings worse than Mass Effect 3. It fails on every level of the medium, from the writing to the sudden switch in main goal and antagonist.

[PsyrenY]

Matrix
Lost

[AlienSpaceBats]

Oakenshield1 wrote...

2001 A Space Odyssey. That was... I don't even know... at least I can analyze ME 3. That one... it's tough to analyze acid trips, man.

2001 confuses a lot of people because of the visual narrative.

At least it continued. In 2010 you find out what happened to Dave Bowman, HAL and Haywood Floyd. The books elaborate further and describe in plain English what happens.

For the record, I don't think there's a worse ending in all of science fiction. Even the ending for Chronicles Of Riddick was better.

[DESTRAUDO]

ducentar wrote...

Torrible wrote...

Elios wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.

well if you want to drag anime in to this Neon Genesis Evangelion wins hands down people LITRALY stormed GAINAX over that one and Kareshi Kanojo no Jijō was pretty bad too another GAINAX anime
Yukikaza had pretty WTF ending too O.o even the novel was pretty bad

Zeta Gundam has a pretty downer ending but other 2 or 3 people that died to do rather derp and out character things it worked out imo and is good way to show how to do the downer ending right

Interesting point about Neon Genesis Evangelion. The funny part is, the 'clarified' ending (End of Evangelion) was even worse. Retakers would be rioting on the streets if the ending was like this.

^^ Probably the worst endings in Scifi ever(both of them as you pointed out). I got it, wasn't over my head,  but it just wasn't rewarding for me watching the series at all.

Funny thing is many of the issues occuring between Bioware and fans of the series is a mirror almost to a tee with what occured with Hideaki Anno and fans of NGE. Even more so it is over an ending that overshadwed the rest of the series. Still one of my favorite series, but i generally just don't bother with the last two episodes.

End of eva was and is a masterpiece. If bioware took all the death threats and complaints and crafted an end of Mass effect from it i would be incredibly happy. I would love to see them cave to everyones demands but twist  the execution horribly as EOE did. Would love to see joker not running from the battle for whatever reason and watching the normandy be smashed to oblivion by harbinger, see joker being crushed in edi's arms and edi crushed fractions of a second later. To see the people who were with you when you charged the beam lying dead at the beam site. Change it so that there is only a destroy option and it wipes out the reapers but also all life in the galaxy (not the current case but everyone has convinved themselves it is so why not roll with it) allowing the next cycle of life that rises up to rise up free at the cost of our cycle. Maybe even finish with a shot of the first organic cell being formed after the destructive waves. Oh and have the whole thing voiced over by the star child and run for 25 mins.

I know this hurts you Shepard, but it would please me.   

[Nu-Nu]

Stargate SG-1. Man that got wierd at the end, with the "magic box" solution that can implant new memories and thoughts, and the whole ascended human war plot was just a bit too unbelievable. I was like wtf is this?

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 04 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[Ethalin]

Arguably the new Battlestar Galactica

[JulienJaden]

Captain Arty wrote...

OhoniX wrote...

The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
ET
Revenge of the Sith
Avatar
Independence Day
Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar Galactica
Caprica
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek (the new movie)

I don't know, there are more but those are the ones that come to mind.

I disagree that these are worse than ME3. With the exception of Matrix Revolutions, all those endings fit the theme of their story. They may be corny or implausible, but they still fit the story they told.

With the exception of Caprica, but that's because they shut down the series somewhere in the middle. You can't expect a proper ending there.

As for animes: Neon Genesis Evangelion is legendary for its bad ending. And Berserk... Well, I did the right thing: I only read the Manga. It's nowhere near finished (after, what, 20 years?) but it's only a single guy drawing and writing the story, and it's definitely one of the greatest mangas out there.

[DESTRAUDO]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Oakenshield1 wrote...

2001 A Space Odyssey. That was... I don't even know... at least I can analyze ME 3. That one... it's tough to analyze acid trips, man.

2001 confuses a lot of people because of the visual narrative.

At least it continued. In 2010 you find out what happened to Dave Bowman, HAL and Haywood Floyd. The books elaborate further and describe in plain English what happens.

For the record, I don't think there's a worse ending in all of science fiction. Even the ending for Chronicles Of Riddick was better.

Worth mentioning that when 2001 came out it was praised and despised in equal measures. 

[jds1bio]

Oakenshield1 wrote...

2001 A Space Odyssey. That was... I don't even know... at least I can analyze ME 3. That one... it's tough to analyze acid trips, man.

At least the sequel movie provided some closure, though like 15 years later.

[Captain Arty]

Doctor Uburian wrote...

The ending of the Foundation saga was similar to ME3's the Synthesis ending, but it was, by far, much more satisfying.

The ending of Onwards the foundation (Which was published after Asimov's death) was much more depressing, and in fact, comparable to ME3's endings.

The end of Foundation and Earth (which was the last written by Asimov) had a synthesis-type flavor, but it was explained well, and it was a key theme throughout the entire series. The final page is also chilling and well-executed.

I've learned never to read books written to tie up a dead author's series. I've never read a good one.

[jds1bio]

What about Stargate (the movie). A real solid premise that somehow bled into a meandering scrum.

[Brawne]

Only thing I really had problems with in BSG ending was angel Starbuck. Other then that it kinda tied everything together and wasnt half-bad. Certainly better then ME3.

[Ethalin]

Brawne wrote...

Only thing I really had problems with in BSG ending was angel Starbuck. Other then that it kinda tied everything together and wasnt half-bad. Certainly better then ME3.

I don't think that the ending was "bad" but had so much more potential that was absolutely wasted because the writers basically were exhausted of ideas and didn't give a flip in the end. They've pretty much even said as much.

[Captain Arty]

DESTRAUDO wrote...

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Oakenshield1 wrote...

2001 A Space Odyssey. That was... I don't even know... at least I can analyze ME 3. That one... it's tough to analyze acid trips, man.

2001 confuses a lot of people because of the visual narrative.

At least it continued. In 2010 you find out what happened to Dave Bowman, HAL and Haywood Floyd. The books elaborate further and describe in plain English what happens.

For the record, I don't think there's a worse ending in all of science fiction. Even the ending for Chronicles Of Riddick was better.

Worth mentioning that when 2001 came out it was praised and despised in equal measures. 

2001 the book was fantastic. It was THE book that first used the idea of a galactic evolution device--the monolith. The ending in the book was clear and as far as sci-fi goes, as plausible as anything out there. It stayed with the theme and plot of story, and left the reader open to possibilities.

Stanley Kubrick....dammit... Everything that guy touches just immediately goes rotten. He turned a thoughtful, science-centered ending into a trippy LSD lightshow. The guy never made a movie based on pre-existing story that wasn't far worse than what it was based on.