Are there any WORSE endings in Sci-FI than ME3's?
#126
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:46
#127
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:46
In ME the series was so amazing... so brilliant, so gripping and so amazing.... that endings effect is magnified exponentially...
so i actually can't think of anything with a worse ending...
#128
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:47
jds1bio wrote...
What about Stargate (the movie). A real solid premise that somehow bled into a meandering scrum.
Agreed, it was bad, but I think the ending was bad because it was cheap and unoriginal. It didn't have the failures of theme and plot that ME3 does.
#129
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:50
ME3's ending had nothing.
Well, 3 different colored explosions.
#130
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:51
#131
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:52
You should mention this all happen as he was being forced to watch the LI get raped. Definitely the most ridiculous ending to an anime series I've ever seen.Mixorz wrote...
I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.
#132
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:56
#133
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:56
I guess there really isn't any ending as bad as ME3's.
"Fight 'em till you can't."
#134
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:01
Matrix is interesting because fans also sort of revolted with Reloaded. But fans built up this entire storyline between Reloaded and Revolutions that justified Reloaded weaknesses. The ending of Matrix Reloaded had a path that it could have taken (matrix within a matrix) and a lot of fans had convinced themselves all the plot holes of Matrix Reloaded could be explained by that - myself included. The idea of the fake choice of "revolution" given to the humans as another layer of control. Unfortunately it literally went into religion/spirituality as opposed to just having those as themes.
A lot of people think Lost's final moments undermined everything in the final season (and hurt the entire show because of it). Again by literally going into spirituality rather than keeping them themes. Lost could almost be fixed with an alternate ending that explained the final season in a different way.
#135
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:11
As a trilogy, it pushes this 'badness' to a whole new level. BSG is probably the best counter, but at least there was something. It tied together...in a way. Lost tied together and was explained (maybe too much explanation, but whatever). I've been thinking of movies to tie it to, and Matrix is the first obvious one but it's really no comparison. Matrix was a groundbreaking movie that was a victim of itself. Matrix2&3 failed to do what the first one came close to. The Matrix ending actually does a better job of wrapping up things (while keeping fan theories relevant), having its 'savior' metaphor kept intact, and giving closure and clarity. So no...not this one.
A month later (well three weeks from beating it) I've had time to reflect on it and I still have not figured out what the hell BioWare was thinking. There are great analogies of if LOTR/Star Wars/etc had this ending out there that make it clear how utterly ridiculous the endings are and I do not think it's possible for any movie to top this ending (as it is now).
#136
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:13
Oh I'm sure there are plenty more and I've probably seen them but I blotted them from my memory.
#137
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:16
SPOILERS FOR THE ENDINGS
- Stargate SG-1 ends with the entire Ori threat still extremely prevalent in the Milky Way forcing worlds to bow to them as gods or they would die. They had to resort to two direct to DVD movies to finish the series. So it did finish it eventually, but I would rather have seen it end in the series rather than movies.
- Stargate Atlantis: In the end they bring Atlantis back to the Milky Way to Earth to defeat the massive Wraith Hive ship, and end up landing Atlantis back home on Earth. So now the SGA crew has completely abandoned the Pegasus galaxy and all the people to the warring Wraith hives that still pollute the galaxy. We never know if Teyla and Ronin get back to their galaxy to their people to save them
- Stargate Universe; The most open ended of all the series, arguably. The poor crew on the Destiny are dozens of galaxies away from the Milky Way. We never will know if they ever find their way home, or achieve the mission the Destiny was set for. We just end with everyone going into cryogenic stasis for 2 years as they jump between galaxies and one of the protagonists that is meant to relate to the audience, Eli, is the only one without a stasis pod. He is left out, with no concrete evidence he will be able to repair the pod before life support shuts off and he suffocates.
Seriously, I don't know if they are worse but all three Stargate franchises had disappointing ends.
Modifié par Snake Liquid, 04 avril 2012 - 03:16 .
#138
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:21
#139
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:30
FoolMartyrProductions wrote...
Matrix is interesting because fans also sort of revolted with Reloaded. But fans built up this entire storyline between Reloaded and Revolutions that justified Reloaded weaknesses. The ending of Matrix Reloaded had a path that it could have taken (matrix within a matrix) and a lot of fans had convinced themselves all the plot holes of Matrix Reloaded could be explained by that - myself included.
It essentially was a matrix within a matrix. Zion was never real, was never what they thought it was. It was all part of the control.
#140
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:35
Everything leading up to the ending might be crap, but at least he grasps the concept.
#141
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:43
Tangster wrote...
I can't think of many that are worse.
Peter. F. Hamilton's "Night's Dawn" Trilogy comes darn close with it's random god-like thing solves everything ending, but at least it ends on a positive note instead of random god-entity destroys everything to solve problem.
except it wasn't random, they had been searching for it, knowing roughly what it was, for a book and a half (iirc) . In a far more detailed way than the crucible was ever explained (they knew it was a weird naked singualrity, knew it could play games with the laws of physics on an epic scale, knew that species capable of space flight regarded it as a god etc)
#142
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:43
The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
ET
Revenge of the Sith
Avatar
Independence Day
Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar Galactica
Caprica
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek (the new movie)
I don't know, there are more but those are the ones that come to mind.
I don't agree with any of that, really.
I haven't seen BSG so no comment there, but Star Wars? ET? Avatar? Independence Day? The new Star Trek film? I mean come on, maybe you didn't like these films but the endings (for the most part) fit, made sense, and were not a complete 180 of EVERYTHING.
MAYBE Matrix and from what I've heard, the tv show Lost's ending is just as bad, but yeah... a dues ex machina, plot holes, a change in main antagonist, everyone acting out of character, a change in main goal, not being able to argue against nonsense, space magic, a pack of lies, all wrapping up what was otherwise a fantastic TRILOGY... all these together create what is, without a doubt, the worst ending I have ever seen in any medium.
...Well, discounting animes. But even then...
#143
Guest_Imperium Alpha_*
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:48
Guest_Imperium Alpha_*
But the worse of all Sci-Fi is Stargate Infinity anime.
There is more plot hole and retcon in that anime alone that if it was ME3 most people would have shoot themselve with a gun.
Modifié par Imperium Alpha, 04 avril 2012 - 03:50 .
#144
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:48
Lost's ending was weird and unfitting aswell, but Mass Effect 3's is worse than that.
#145
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:49
But, yeah. Mass Effect 3 is what BSG would have been if the final episode was only 10 minutes long, and there were no hints of the godlike force until the beginning of the episode. It has all the flaws of the BSG ending, and a whole lot more.
#146
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:50
If not I think you'd be hard pressed to find an ending that more thoroughly taints a franchise.
#147
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:50
Imperium Alpha wrote...
Return of the Jedi. Sure I will believe that every Imperial just said Hurp Derp let the galaxy fall into the end of those rebel dogs. In the meanwhile there is no more Imperial presence in about 10 secs on Coruscant, Naboo and other planet. Don't forget that rebel prefer to dance with ewok than take control of the repbulic. Ending is funny and all don't get me wrong but it is random as hell.
But the worse of all Sci-Fi is Stargate Infinity anime.:lol:
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Ummm, most people were just celebrating the emperor was dead.
The rebels still had some fighting to do.
#148
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:51
Noatz wrote...
If you count Evangelion as sci fi then its probably about the only thing that could legitimately be called worse than ME3's ending.
If not I think you'd be hard pressed to find an ending that more thoroughly taints a franchise.
But they ended up retconning it then created a movie as an "I'm sorry".
#149
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:53
#150
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 03:54
Shadowwot wrote...
Lots of Sci-fi movies and shows have had worse endings (many of which are listed here) - I find it is hard to find a show with a good ending. Fans wanted BioWare to have the greatest ending ever but instead they delivered an ok ending that was basically as good was what most other sci-fi games/shows have - thus fan disappointment.
The ME3 ending was okay?
lol, whatever you say





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