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[KingKhan03]

DeeLite808 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
But atleast there was an UNLESS in ME2. Look i'm not demanding change that is unreasonable but i'll be damned if I let someone tell me that choices mattered in the current ending of ME3 because they absolutely did not.

That's your opinion. Not a legal fact, which is what any "FAlse advertising" case would need.

and the OP is lacking on the legal fact.

Oh don't get me wrong the suing thing is complete rubbish and just absurd.

[Squiggles1334]

withneelandi wrote...

"The goal is prevention rather than punishment, reflecting the purpose of civil law in setting things right rather than that of criminal law. The typical sanction is to order the advertiser to stop its illegal acts, or to include disclosure of additional information that serves to avoid the chance of deception. Corrective advertising may be mandated,[12][13] But there are no fines or prison time except for the infrequent instances when an advertiser refuses to stop despite being ordered to do so.[14]"

So you are not going to get a FTC fine for bioware, only an order for them to stop false advertising, and since most of the examples I see here relate to interviews and other non standard forms, the FTC guildelines don't really seems to offer any kind of redress from the wrong you think has taken place. The guidelines are there to remove misleading adverts, you need to set you what part of what specific advertyou find misleading. Then if you win that advert might be removed. Thats it.

A judge isn't going to say,

"Bioware, that end isn't very good! You made it sound like it would be more varied than that! I order you to make a new one!"

Several reasonable and level-headed people have already said things to that effect, most don't pay attention though because the rest of this thread is hi-la-ri-ous with a capital LOL

Also, this is sadly not the first time a thread discussing the legal potential for a class action lawsuit has appeared on these boards.

[eoinnx03]

Take back earth? More like blow up earth and everyone you cared about.

[bucyrus5000]

If we do not get major changes to the ending (to fulfill promises, restore narrative coherence, take choices into consideration, allow Shepard an epic hero glorious ending, and not be derivative), then I may be joining in FTC complaint. I sure won't be paying for future ME3 DLCs.

[DeeLite808]

DJBare wrote...

Right, I'm outta here, I'd say to the OP before I go, let it drop, this will only reflect badly on the gamers.
And it's getting a little irritating reading the apologists remarks.

We got a third game in a series that has alwasy been touted as a triology
We got several endings based on the decisions we made through 3 games
We got pretty good multi-player feature that many were afraid would have been underdeveloped or lackluster (and I see big potential for improvement with this feature, that can make this aspect to be so much fun)
We got better customizations of armor and weapons, something that was missing from both ME1 and partly in ME2
We finally got rid of the tedious scanning/hunting missions and no bad driving in the MAKO

The only thing that would have made this game more awesome would have been adding in some Normandy Ship battles (ala SWTOR) so you get the chance in piloting this ship. But that's something that wasn't probably shared by most people or thought of to be included. Maybe for ME: The Next Cycle

[DeeLite808]

KingKhan03 wrote...

Oh don't get me wrong the suing thing is complete rubbish and just absurd.

Agreed. It only shows how petty some people are.

And in any class Action suit, its the lawyers who win, not the clients

I once had a check (for a Toshiba Laptop class Action Suit) made out to me for all of 5 cents. Yes 5 cents. IT cost more to print the check and mail it to me. From then on, when I get those "you are invited to participate in a class Action suit Against XXXX"  I just tear up the letters.

[DeeLite808]

bucyrus5000 wrote...

If we do not get major changes to the ending (to fulfill promises, restore narrative coherence, take choices into consideration, allow Shepard an epic hero glorious ending, and not be derivative), then I may be joining in FTC complaint. I sure won't be paying for future ME3 DLCs.

withneelandi wrote...

"The goal is prevention rather than
punishment, reflecting the purpose of civil law in setting things right
rather than that of criminal law. The typical sanction is to order the
advertiser to stop its illegal acts, or to include disclosure of
additional information that serves to avoid the chance of deception.
Corrective advertising may be mandated,[12][13] But there are no fines
or prison time except for the infrequent instances when an advertiser
refuses to stop despite being ordered to do so.[14]"

So you are
not going to get a FTC fine for bioware, only an order for them to stop
false advertising, and since most of the examples I see here relate to
interviews and other non standard forms, the FTC guildelines don't
really seems to offer any kind of redress from the wrong you think has
taken place. The guidelines are there to remove misleading adverts, you
need to set you what part of what specific advertyou find misleading.
Then if you win that advert might be removed. Thats it.

A judge isn't going to say,

"Bioware, that end isn't very good! You made it sound like it would be more varied than that! I order you to make a new one!"

[Renew81]

I dont like the endings either , but this is just ridiculous.

[The Night Mammoth]

DeeLite808 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Right, I'm outta here, I'd say to the OP before I go, let it drop, this will only reflect badly on the gamers.
And it's getting a little irritating reading the apologists remarks.

We got several endings based on the decisions we made through 3 games

I think we could have quite the discussion about that. 

As is, I think you're completey wrong, as the decisions you make don't matter at all. 

We got pretty good multi-player feature that many were afraid would have been underdeveloped or lackluster (and I see big potential for improvement with this feature, that can make this aspect to be so much fun)

The maps feature in both the single and multiplayer, and are supposed to fill in for the extreme lack of side missions. So again, we could have a discussion about it being lackluster or not. 

We got better customizations of armor and weapons, something that was missing from both ME1 and partly in ME2

The ME1 system had a large amount of varied armour sets for both you and your squad.
ME2 had a non-existent system that was completely arbitrary.

Once more, we could have a discussion about it beging 'better' that both. 

We finally got rid of the tedious scanning/hunting missions and no bad driving in the MAKO.

And recieved dozens of tedious fetch quests in return. Yet another thing we could talk about being 'better'.

The only thing that would have made this game more awesome would have been adding in some Normandy Ship battles (ala SWTOR) so you get the chance in piloting this ship. But that's something that wasn't probably shared by most people or thought of to be included. Maybe for ME: The Next Cycle

I could list maybe two dozen features which would improve this game, and that's without changing the ending. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 avril 2012 - 10:39 .

[wicked_being]

DeeLite808 wrote...

wicked_being wrote...
If I don't like it, my verdict would be never to buy a BW and EA product ever again.

And i'll bet doughnuts that if they do a new IP that is better, with better writing, gets 100% review scores from every media on the planet, you'd be back to buying one of their prooducts in a heartbeat.

Oh really? You talk like you know me. That's so cute

[nitefyre410]

I say wait to till Pax, give going over the law and find different cases on how the law was applied positively and negatively. Then after PAX have at them.

because honestly there is a the case of a surprise downer ending and there's slapping "Retake Earth" on the back of your back and the ending be something completely opposite.  

But OP before you do anything look at the Law  throughly and cases involving the law and ruling before you do anything because honestly  the case is going to get struck down.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 04 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[Pfor]

Ask yourself some questions before you decide to waste your time (and a lot of your money) with this idiotic attempt at making yourself feel better.

1. Is the Game Informer article considered an advertisement?
2. Was it paid for by Bioware/EA?
3. Was there a guarantee regarding the final product in the Game Informer article?
4. Was there any form of guarantee from Bioware/EA in the article?
5. Does any of the advertising regarding Mass Effect 3 since its release (or hell, why not, before the release) carry the promise of 16 different endings? If all you can point to is one mention in one magazine article then you have no case.

Please move on with your life. If you're getting this outraged over a media product then you need to reprioritize.

[Fat Head]

This again? Just stop.

This is the kind of stuff that people call us entitled for. Not because we are upset, but because people like the OP want to take it to this extreme or demand specifics for the new endings.


Just stop it.

[EmGo]

 Oh uh

[KingKhan03]

Pfor wrote...

Ask yourself some questions before you decide to waste your time (and a lot of your money) with this idiotic attempt at making yourself feel better.

1. Is the Game Informer article considered an advertisement?
2. Was it paid for by Bioware/EA?
3. Was there a guarantee regarding the final product in the Game Informer article?
4. Was there any form of guarantee from Bioware/EA in the article?
5. Does any of the advertising regarding Mass Effect 3 since its release (or hell, why not, before the release) carry the promise of 16 different endings? If all you can point to is one mention in one magazine article then you have no case.

Please move on with your life. If you're getting this outraged over a media product then you need to reprioritize.

Agreed i hated the ending but man who has time for this? It's a tough life don't make it any tougher.

[nikki191]

normally i would dismiss this sort of thing, normally i would say get over yourselves, but with the way i feel about bioware GO FOR IT

[Pfor]

nitefyre410 wrote...

I say wait to till Pax, give going over the law and find different cases on how the law was applied positively and negatively. Then after PAX have at them.

because honestly there is a the case of a surprise downer ending and there's slapping "Retake Earth" on the back of your back and the ending be something completely opposite.

Curiously enough, 'surprise downer ending' doesn't seem to be a litigious offense in any of my law books. Strange, that. And do you know how hard it is to litigate against the creator of an artistic work (yes, it is legally considered this - please do not bring up the art argument) for false advertising? 

This is actually crazier than the woman who sued the makers of Drive for false advertising in the trailer - and guess what, that got thrown out just like this one will inevitably be. 

Modifié par Pfor, 04 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[DeeLite808]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


I think we could have quite the discussion about that. 

As is, I think you're completey wrong, as the decisions you make don't matter at all. 

Your opinion. What if your Shep died in ME2? That means you couldn't even play ME3 at all, seeing as you need a Shepard that is alive. So your decisions do matter.

If you let Wrex die in ME1, he's not there to give you support, you have to rely on his brother, who doesn't know you that well. That decision matters.

If you let Mordin die or live, or that you lie to the Krogans and sabotage the cure..that's a decision that does matter.

The ME1 system had a large amount of varied armour sets for both you and your squad.

Beyond just upgraing your current armor, I disagree. You couldn't mix and match armor components to give you the best features for your character. All they did was up your defense, power and attack ratings. now we have to compensate for weight of your armory depending on how fast you want your powers to cool down (i used my power a lot, so I relied on high capacity, fast fire rate, low weight armory - keeping my cool down rate to over 100%

And recieved dozens of tedious fetch quests in return. Yet another thing we could talk about being 'better'.

I rather have fetch quests, than to spend 1 hour exploring a planet with an undrviable MAKO, looking at a "dot" on map of where the item is supposed to be and spending 10 minutes walking to and fro trying to get near that "dot", only to find out that I'm supposed to climb up a 80 degree vertical face because the maps didn't give elevations correctly.

And also getting finger cramps because I'm holding down the tirgger in order to scan a planet.

I nearly got carpal tunnel because of the scanning missions.

I could list maybe two dozen features which would improve this game, and that's without changing the ending. 

I could list few dozen myself. My "please let us pilot the Normandy" would just be more a fun side game at this point, but a nudge as suggestion for any potential ME4 (and beyond) game.\\


ETA: BTW, Javik is the best troll in this game EVER. Love him. Love his voice work and all around a great character. IMO

Modifié par DeeLite808, 04 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[The Night Mammoth]

DeeLite808 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


I think we could have quite the discussion about that. 

As is, I think you're completey wrong, as the decisions you make don't matter at all. 

Your opinion. What if your Shep died in ME2? That means you couldn't even play ME3 at all, seeing as you need a Shepard that is alive. So your decisions do matter.

If you let Wrex die in ME1, he's not there to give you support, you have to rely on his brother, who doesn't know you that well. That decision matters.

If you let Mordin die or live, or that you lie to the Krogans and sabotage the cure..that's a decision that does matter.

They affect the game as it plays out. 

They don't affect the ending at all. 

The ME1 system had a large amount of varied armour sets for both you and your squad.

Beyond just upgraing your current armor, I disagree. You couldn't mix and match armor components to give you the best features for your character. All they did was up your defense, power and attack ratings. now we have to compensate for weight of your armory depending on how fast you want your powers to cool down (i used my power a lot, so I relied on high capacity, fast fire rate, low weight armory - keeping my cool down rate to over 100%

In part, I agree. The weight system was actually very clever. As a soldier I always kept and Assault Rifle, a Shotgun, and a Sniper. As an adept, I was the complete opposite.

What I meant was that you can't really claim is was better or worse, just different. 

And recieved dozens of tedious fetch quests in return. Yet another thing we could talk about being 'better'.

I rather have fetch quests, than to spend 1 hour exploring a planet with an undrviable MAKO, looking at a "dot" on map of where the item is supposed to be and spending 10 minutes walking to and fro trying to get near that "dot", only to find out that I'm supposed to climb up a 80 degree vertical face because the maps didn't give elevations correctly.

And also getting finger cramps because I'm holding down the tirgger in order to scan a planet.

I nearly got carpal tunnel because of the scanning missions.

And I'd rather we have a lot more actual missions on top of this. There are quite a lot of examples that strike me as ideal opportunities for interesting playable missions. The Elcor homeworld is one that sticks in my head as a real waste. 

Basically, the scanning system was better, but it was used as a cheep excuse not to put any extra work in. 

I could list maybe two dozen features which would improve this game, and that's without changing the ending. 

I could list few dozen myself. My "please let us pilot the Normandy" would just be more a fun side game at this point, but a nudge as suggestion for any potential ME4 (and beyond) game.

The game is far from perfect in my eyes. It's potential has been wasted and, to me, there are large parts that seem incomplete, or features that seem absent for little reason. 

As for Javik, I take it you heard his little conversation with Vega in the Mess Hall? Pure gold. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 avril 2012 - 11:06 .

[Spanky Magoo]

This is a mistake especially in the US. Corporations have the same rights as private citizens so more than likely EA would be able to make a first amendment "Free Speech" case or it would be in litigation for so long it would just be thrown out completely.

[General User]

Anyone who would waste the time and effort of a government agency with something as trivial as a video game's ending failing to live up to hype/expectations is being a bad citizen.

[Jere85]

1 lawyer vs EA... Good luck.
I agree with what you said though, but you cant win this through legal means.

[DeeLite808]

The Night Mammoth wrote...



As for Javik, I take it you heard his little conversation with Vega in the Mess Hall? Pure gold. 

all his conversations are pure gold. With Liara when she points out the Salarians are amphibians (They used to eat Flies), throwing Legion out of the Airlock...his talk with Drunk Tali

Seeing as his character was written by the same guy who handled Garrus' romance arc, I can see why he turned out be awesome.

[docma]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Take back earth? More like blow up earth and everyone you cared about.

Ahh, but you presume I cared about anyone. I didn't. I hated that whole crew. And Anderson or Hackett, always wanting me to go off on some crazy f*^$ing mission when all I really wanted to do was get EDI to hack me a mainline into the mass effect relays so I could download the asari porn like crazy.

I tried to kill them, god-damn I tried, but they just wouldn't die. It was like there was usually some deus ex machina plot device guaranteeing at least a few would survive. I mean, even the doll-head monster badass from ME2 didn't put the real survivors amongst them down.

And Joker - how does a guy who can't even walk without snapping a bone manage to survive an overwhelming robocalypse?!? But he did. How? Why? Bastard.

So yeah, when given the opportunity, I happily flicked the switch on everyone one of those crazy mother-f*^$ers. Hooray for me. Now I sleep easy at night.

Well ... I would. Except for the kid. Oh God, the kid ... he was all ... you know innocent and stuff. Why the kid? Damn you Bioware, for overtly manipulating my tiny inner child like you did with that shallow, sappy opening sequence. *sniff* The kid .... 

Mr OP, I'm with you. They never said anything about emotional manipulation of my inner child. AND NOW I HAVE TEH FALSE ADVERTISING RAGE TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!