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[Judah Ben Hur]

Wikkr wrote...

Judah Ben Hur wrote...
Did Bioware advertise exclusively about the endings? No. As a matter of fact, that isn't the bulk of what they advertised for.

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Nope theres 3 endings. thats not many

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

More like blue green red endings.

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/
“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Not

there ye go just 3 seperate quotes i pulled out of me bag that write promises for the ending that the game did not deliver

You read what I said incorrectly. They didn't exclusively advertise about the ending. They advertised about enhanced gameplay, multiplayer, etc. Their slogan was never "Mass Effect 3 - you'll never believe how multicolored our endings are."

[DreamTension]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

2 more days dammit, this couldnt have waited 2 more days?

+1

Just hold off.  There's plenty of 'rabble rabble rabble' to be had if PAX goes way south.

[Rdubs]

Guys, please think long-term.  I too feel like I was lied to, blatantly, but trying to use legal channels isn't the way to go.
To make things simple let's just say it is as simple as gamers vs. EA/bioware.  They will only fix this sh*t-fest if it is in their financial interest to.  Therefore you have to speak in terms the understand, which sadly is dollars.  Sure they will tell you to your face that they value customer input, but in reality they aren't going to incur any real net expense unless it can be proven to them that it is in their financial interest to do so.  And since you can't affect their costs, you can only do what you can to affect one thing: revenue. 

The best way to have an impact on that is to get as many as others to shy away from bioware/EA products, and the best way to do that is get word out about what happened and have the discussion only be about that.  That is best done by having people see what's going on and being sympathetic - "man, that company really screwed and lied to their customers, I'd better hold off on buying anything from them until I hear from others that such a thing isn't going on this time."  The key word here is sympathetic.  And anything which COULD be interpreted by some as just generally being whiny or doing things which are unpopular with the general public (such as bringing a lawsuit which many would view as a waste of time or frivolous) will push the public more to siding with the people who screwed us over.  In other words, we need to keep the issue on the combination of 1) how poorly written the endings were, combined with 2) how we were basically lied to.  Anything which does not address those concerns, or does so in a manner that the public would find distasteful, works to the advantage of the other side.

In summary, even though there may be grounds to bring a complaint, the real question is would that be something which would work against us in the bigger picture.  Remember, your opposition will try to find the most distasteful thing anyone who dislikes the endings has done, and hold that out as the kind of people we're dealing with.  Don't make their job easier.

[StrawberryRainPop]

Oilking72 wrote...

Give it an effing rest.

This, Bioware, is what you should not be doing.

Simple, unhelpful one liners that get us nowhere.

Announce free DLC and an apology at PAX Bioware.

Start apologizing before its too late.

[Mandemon]

Icinix wrote...

nikki191 wrote...

normally i would dismiss this sort of thing, normally i would say get over yourselves, but with the way i feel about bioware GO FOR IT

Aye.

I stand up for this because its time gaming started being treated like any other consumer product and was subject to the same laws and the same scrutiny.

Its a huge, massive, mammoth industry, yet it is handled with kid gloves and any issues dismissed with "Its just a game."

Its not just a game, its a billion dollar industry that is becoming excessively greedy, corrupt and false. It needs to be answerable the same way any other industry is answerable. Reviews need to be trustworthy, marketing needs to be truthful.

If companies can get away with the stuff the gaming gets away with, we're all going to be screwed over royally and no-one will ever be able to get a handle on this.

QFT

@OP:
Still I advide waiting untill PAX and official statement. If they still refuse to do anything, your case is stronger. If they do changes that are demanded, even announce DLC,  then we need to wait until lsaid DLC is out. If DLC fixes things, then we don't need this lawsuit.

However, if endings are kept as they are, then go for it.

[tsd16]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

not from the US, but I wish you good luck

I'm dead serious, this is clear cut False Advertising and such is regulated by the FTC and is punishable by law.

Um no it isnt.   It only appears to you that way.   They didn't lie about anything, it just seems like that to you because The idea you have in your head as to their meaning for what they have said in the past is different from reality, it doesnt make it false.

[Ricvenart]

I agree in part it's a scumbag move. Companies have found the boundry of Advertising law and now sit right on the egde with the purpose to mislead (the very reason the law was made).
But I don't think you should do anything to bioware about it, it's more EA's fault and business in general and it's the law that needs to change to put the favour back in consumers hands rather then corperations.

But here's the real reason you won't succeed:
A-1) Destroy, Earth burns, Shepard dies
A-2) Destroy Earth is ok but Shepard still dies.
A-3) Destroy Earth and Shepard survive.
B)Synthesis (only one isn't there?)
C-1) Control Earth Burns
C-2) Control Earth and relays are fine. (not entirely sure of the happening in the control endings to be honest but I think theres 2 versions isn't there?)
on top of that add appendix extra) Unrelated astronaut tells us about DLC with nothing to the story, for completing a game a second time or importing from ME2.
It's not just A b or C, it's not really colour coded either, is Liara colour coded blue because she's blue? No.

But even given that I still think bioware was low in that, the ending is so seperated from the journey and not what we expected or read into pre release interviews, they knew that in advance.

[PhoenixDove1]

DreamTension wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

2 more days dammit, this couldnt have waited 2 more days?

+1

Just hold off.  There's plenty of 'rabble rabble rabble' to be had if PAX goes way south.

lol ^this, depending on what's said at PAX you'll most likely get more support (me) or not because they will have done right by us (like they should).

[Silveralen]

Uh..... Anyone who thinks you can write a clause into a software agreement that removes any responsibility for false advertising and have it stand up in court doesn't know a thing about contract law. Those sort of passages can be overturned by a judge.

Again though, purely hypothetical. The absolute best case scenario with legal action is a refund which we already have the option of receiving. You gain nothing by doing this.

[noobcannon]

Silveralen wrote...

Uh..... Anyone who thinks you can write a clause into a software agreement that removes any responsibility for false advertising and have it stand up in court doesn't know a thing about contract law. Those sort of passages can be overturned by a judge.

Again though, purely hypothetical. The absolute best case scenario with legal action is a refund which we already have the option of receiving. You gain nothing by doing this.

yeah but they live in imagination land so anything is possible.

Modifié par noobcannon, 04 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[xODD7BALLx]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

You know what this thread makes me angry. Like really mad.

I hate lawyers, I hate people who think they can sue. OP im beginning to hate you. return you game. burn it. or do whatever you want with it. boycott them, spread hate and lies about them, whatever.

but if you go to court against my favorite game company over this bs arguement. i dont care how mad i might be at them right now. I will put up my wallets worth of cash (as if they need it)for their lawyers (as if they need them) to make you pay. so there. bite me.

buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh buh BIO DRONE SSSSSS!!!!!

I remember once upon a time people wanting to take devs and publishers to court over shipping games with obvious game breaking bugs because there is no guarantee that someone has internet access or adequate bandwidth to support downloading massive updates patches etc and people acted like many people have acted towards people here, needless to say look what we have now, developers shipping games still with game breaking bugs or broken features without a care in the world because it's been established that expecting a product to ship in working condition is just "too much" to expect devs to do.......and if a game doesnt sell well it's usually decided that it's not "profitable" to invest in fixing the bugs, so the game is abandoned and the consumer gets the shaft once more.
 
Go play Lair of The Shadow Broker and walk underneath Liara's office NOT IN WINDOWED MODE and tell me how it works for you, or try taking Legion through Project Overlord tell me how well that works for you too, tell me how your FAVORITE company handled those GAME CRASHING BUGS.

Legal action has become the norm because big companies typically dont give a rats azz about someone writing a letter asking for what's RIGHT and being "nice" and "civil", look at the situation here people want answers and the blame is on BW's head because they say we'll be provided answers after everyone has a chance to play ME3 when all they had to do is post HERE on a SPOILERS ALLOWED FORUM which is exactly where people are going to try and get "answers".

Yeah I know now that PAX may or MAY NOT be when and where answers are given but really to me this is PR, PAX isnt and should never be a requirement for paying customers to abide by as a means of wrapping their game up that they paid full retail prices for an game in ENTIRETY, nor should Twitter or FB or even these forums, just as internet access shouldnt be a requirement for a game to EVENTUALLY function at some point in time MAYBE.

But we asked here on a spoiler forum and their silence has done nothing but fan the flames and alienate people and or cause people to go for eachothers throats for simply having a freaking issue with a game they paid good money for.

Modifié par Operative84, 04 avril 2012 - 05:09 .

[Stygian1]

Wait two more days.

[Rockpopple]

The only thing I love more than people going: 

"We gon' sue because we didn't get the ending we wanted! We have a real case for it! It'll work! Hurr Hurr!"

are the people going:

"No, don't sue yet. Wait 2 more days. If they don't fix the ending, THEN sue them! I'll sure it'll work. Hurr! Hurr!"

If this is indicative of the Retake movement, y'all have lost your damn minds.

But good luck with trying to make a case of false advertisement. I'm sure that will only end well.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 04 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[brian_breed]

These threads collectively lower the IQ of the consensus. They present the Geth with an interminable problem which we must consistently shunt it causes a cascading systems failure. Please refrain from posting any more legalese nonsense in this thread.

[The Night Mammoth]

Rockpopple wrote...

If this is indicative of the Retake movement, y'all have lost your damn minds.

I find your banner highly ironic. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[brian_breed]

Rockpopple wrote...

The only thing I love more than people going: 

"We gon' sue because we didn't get the ending we wanted! We have a real case for it! It'll work! Hurr Hurr!"

are the people going:

"No, don't sue yet. Wait 2 more days. If they don't fix the ending, THEN sue them! I'll sure it'll work. Hurr! Hurr!"

If this is indicative of the Retake movement, y'all have lost your damn minds.

But good luck with trying to make a case of false advertisement. I'm sure that will only end well.

Uh, "Rockpopple" (if that IS your real name) in two days' time the rules of contract law, arbitration, and jurisdiction might change. How dare you suggest otherwise?!

[LilyasAvalon]

This is a great idea IF Bioware doesn't respond to the Retake movement at PAX. So we'll just hold it over them until then.

[Fulgrim88]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Bring EA to court for the murder of BioWare....and a few other companies.

While certainly a righteous cause, I'm afraid that's not punishable.

False Advertising is.

And the very specific way we were promised certain things (multiple times, even after the game went gold) really takes this beyond the realms of "ambiguity". I agree to wait until PAX though.

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 04 avril 2012 - 04:47 .

[DeeLite808]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

This is a great idea IF Bioware doesn't respond to the Retake movement at PAX. So we'll just hold it over them until then.

why? they haven't done anything illegal.

One more time for the armchair lawyers (I suggest returning your lawyering degrees, they aren't worth the paper they are printed on)

THERE IS NO CASE here.

THERE has been no false advertising

[Talogrungi]

I kinda applaud the video games industry being held to account for their flagrant false advertising and broken promises. If this were any other industry, Bioware/EA would have been nailed to the wall for the statements they made about ME3 .. but video games always get a pass on "art/media" grounds and it's high time that changed.

They should not be allowed to lie to their consumers and get away without being challenged.

[Deltateam Elcor]

What is customer satisfaction?

First of all, you cannot satisfy all customers, some may indeed like the endings as is, changing it would make that unsatisfactory.

Your case is flawed, that is why it is still open.

[Rockpopple]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Rockpopple wrote...

If this is indicative of the Retake movement, y'all have lost your damn minds.

I find your banner highly ironic. 

I find the prospect of suing because of "false advertising" highly r-tarded. 

Any lawyer worth their salt would simply tell you there is no case for false advertising here. None. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Zero. 

It's just not gonna happen.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 04 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[Senario]

A lot of people are saying this is unreasonable and I am not sure why. Consumer protection laws are clear, false advertising to sell a product is wrong and should be punishable by law. The multitude of promises that were put out to promote ME3 is what I would consider "False Advertising". They said there would be a multitude of vastly different endings, that they wouldn't have it a choice of "A, B, or C". Even the phrase "Retake Earth" is somewhat wrong because you never do retake Earth.

I'm sure if concerns aren't addressed at PAX, EA and Bioware are going to have a big problem due to false advertising.

[ericjdev]

The sky is falling.

[brian_breed]

Senario wrote...

A lot of people are saying this is unreasonable and I am not sure why. Consumer protection laws are clear, false advertising to sell a product is wrong and should be punishable by law. The multitude of promises that were put out to promote ME3 is what I would consider "False Advertising". They said there would be a multitude of vastly different endings, that they wouldn't have it a choice of "A, B, or C". Even the phrase "Retake Earth" is somewhat wrong because you never do retake Earth.

I'm sure if concerns aren't addressed at PAX, EA and Bioware are going to have a big problem due to false advertising.

That's great that you think these things. The problem is that the courts do not share your opinions about these things. Especially what you "would consider 'false advertising'" and that any of EA/Bioware's decisions "should be punishable by law."

The California Legislature Wrote...
Because of Proposition 64, the plaintiff now has to show that they were actually misled by the advertising and suffered an injury when suing for false advertising,