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[Baronesa]

I think it is funny to see so many peopel fighting about this...

Depending on the legislation this can be seen as a solid case or not. But honestly? let the courts decide.

All this back and forward is just pointless.

[KingKhan03]

DeeLite808 wrote...

Mandemon wrote...

That is not "ending". That is "Do you get A, A and B, or A, B and C options".  Collector base does not change the ending, it changes "score" requirement you need to achieve same endings.

Oy vey...one more time

Score requirement is part of the basis to get the required amount for the different endings. If you don't destroy it, you are missing out on 300 points. There are crazy people out there who will try the game with the lowest amount of assets just to see what it would affect.

We've all seen the suicide mission in ME2 videos, if you don't upgrade your ship weapons and take on the Collector base at the end.

But that's the problem I've seen people play with the lowest amount of assets and they pretty much get the same ending Joker runs off the reapers die shephard dies and game over.

[DeeLite808]

KingKhan03 wrote...

I can't find a quote but I played ME1 to ME3 and I bolded the part of your statement that I find hilarious you're still not telling me which choices factor into the ending.

wow, did you ACTUALLY play ME1 through ME3 or are you just trolling?

[DJBare]

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Modifié par DJBare, 04 avril 2012 - 09:58 .

[KingKhan03]

DeeLite808 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

I can't find a quote but I played ME1 to ME3 and I bolded the part of your statement that I find hilarious you're still not telling me which choices factor into the ending.

wow, did you ACTUALLY play ME1 through ME3 or are you just trolling?

Yes and you didn't respond to my question which choices factor into the ending and how do the cutscenes reflect them.

[DJBare]

DeeLite808 wrote...
wow, did you ACTUALLY play ME1 through ME3 or are you just trolling?

Are you going to ignore this? social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10975281/8#10978307

Modifié par DJBare, 04 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[DeeLite808]

KingKhan03 wrote...

But that's the problem I've seen people play with the lowest amount of assets and they pretty much get the same ending Joker runs off the reapers die shephard dies and game over.

ME2 - don't get your weaponos and shields fully for the Normandy. All teammates die, Shepard dies. Joker lives.

ME2 - don't do loyalty missions for certain characters, they end up dying in the suicide mission or dying on the way to the suicide mission

ME2 - destroy or don't destroy the collector base. Shepard lives (your teammates live if you did their loyalty missions)


Other than that, ending is the same for all of them. We see the Normandy fly off....


ME1 - all the endings were the same depending on if you saved the council or not and how much paragon or renegade points you have, and if the humans take over or are assigned to the council. Otherwise, the ending movies are the same.

[DeeLite808]

DJBare wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...
wow, did you ACTUALLY play ME1 through ME3 or are you just trolling?

Are you going to ignore this? social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10975281/8#10978307

sorry, but i dont see anything eliminated. Just color coded....still see 16 endings don't know what you are trying to state.

[DeeLite808]

KingKhan03 wrote...
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Yes and you didn't respond to my question which choices factor into the ending and how do the cutscenes reflect them.

who made the claim that the CUTSCENES would reflect the decisions you make?

I'm sorry, but you are reading things that aren't stated. seeing things that weren't posted...

[wicked_being]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

2 more days dammit, this couldnt have waited 2 more days?

Well PAX is already the point of no return for a lot of fans, I'd say "OP go ahead" but! I would suggest the OP (or anyone who thinks this is a good idea) consult a lawyer first before he makes plans about filing a legal case and raising money. Probably would've been better if he consulted one before posting this topic.

I'm a Retaker but I don't think taking legal actions against BW/EA is the right thing to do. I'm the judge, jury and executioner and I say I will judge Bioware based on what they'll announce at PAX. If I don't like it, my verdict would be never to buy a BW and EA product ever again.

[DJBare]

DeeLite808 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...
wow, did you ACTUALLY play ME1 through ME3 or are you just trolling?

Are you going to ignore this? social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10975281/8#10978307

sorry, but i dont see anything eliminated. Just color coded....still see 16 endings don't know what you are trying to state.

Oh, only that 4 from the first part cancel out 4 in the second part, so by my estimation that leaves 12 endings at best.

[KingKhan03]

DeeLite808 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

But that's the problem I've seen people play with the lowest amount of assets and they pretty much get the same ending Joker runs off the reapers die shephard dies and game over.

ME2 - don't get your weaponos and shields fully for the Normandy. All teammates die, Shepard dies. Joker lives.

ME2 - don't do loyalty missions for certain characters, they end up dying in the suicide mission or dying on the way to the suicide mission

ME2 - destroy or don't destroy the collector base. Shepard lives (your teammates live if you did their loyalty missions)


Other than that, ending is the same for all of them. We see the Normandy fly off....


ME1 - all the endings were the same depending on if you saved the council or not and how much paragon or renegade points you have, and if the humans take over or are assigned to the council. Otherwise, the ending movies are the same.

LOL atleast ME2 had consequences ME3 you go to the end you die everytime anderson dies everytime you see a couple of your crew come out of the normandy some that were with you on earth for some strange reason and thats it every single time that's it They don't even bother with anybody else.

[withneelandi]

I've not read through the entire thread, no time alas but speaking as someone who is about 2 weeks away from being a qualified lawyer I don't think you have anything even coming close to a case. Please, don't throw yours and other peoples money at this sillyness.

Now, I'm not American, so i'm familiar with a different set of guidelines, and my area of expertise is media law and regulation but there is crossover, even just looking through the information you have provided and doing no research of my own I see a major issue.

What do you hope to achieve?

"The goal is prevention rather than punishment, reflecting the purpose of civil law in setting things right rather than that of criminal law. The typical sanction is to order the advertiser to stop its illegal acts, or to include disclosure of additional information that serves to avoid the chance of deception. Corrective advertising may be mandated,[12][13] But there are no fines or prison time except for the infrequent instances when an advertiser refuses to stop despite being ordered to do so.[14]"

So you are not going to get a FTC fine for bioware, only an order for them to stop false advertising, and since most of the examples I see here relate to interviews and other non standard forms, the FTC guildelines don't really seems to offer any kind of redress from the wrong you think has taken place. The guidelines are there to remove misleading adverts, you need to set you what part of what specific advertyou find misleading. Then if you win that advert might be removed. Thats it.

A judge isn't going to say,

"Bioware, that end isn't very good! You made it sound like it would be more varied than that! I order you to make a new one!"

Anyway, wikipedia is a terrible source of legal research, if you are actually seriously thinking of trying to organise people into throwing money into what looks like a legal dead end to me, get someone on the forums who has a legal background (but unlike me in America law or Canadian Law, there will be at least one) to cast an eye and tell you if there is anything close to a case and anything practical to be gained.

I suspect you probably don't. Don't waste your own and other peoples time and money.

[MaaZeus]

Please leave lawyers out of this. If there are worse leeches than EA and Hacktivision then its the lawyers.

Or atleast wait after PAX. If they still want to s*** on us then go ahead, I just do not care anymore then. I'll be far away from BSN forums and anything Bioware related. Somewhere sunny maybe.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 04 avril 2012 - 10:08 .

[KingKhan03]

DeeLite808 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...


Yes and you didn't respond to my question which choices factor into the ending and how do the cutscenes reflect them.

who made the claim that the CUTSCENES would reflect the decisions you make?

I'm sorry, but you are reading things that aren't stated. seeing things that weren't posted...

haha is it such an atrosity that I would like to see something reflected in the cutscenes of a final game of a trilogy? or am i being to unreasonable.

[DeeLite808]

wicked_being wrote...
If I don't like it, my verdict would be never to buy a BW and EA product ever again.

And i'll bet doughnuts that if they do a new IP that is better, with better writing, gets 100% review scores from every media on the planet, you'd be back to buying one of their prooducts in a heartbeat.

If I had a penny for everytime a "fan" stated that they would never buy another product from X company because they f-edup Y Product, and a year later that same fan is buying next year's Y Product, I'd be living happy on a private island off the coast of one the Carribean Islands.

Modifié par DeeLite808, 04 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[KingKhan03]

jreezy wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

ME2 - don't do loyalty missions for certain characters, they end up dying in the suicide mission or dying on the way to the suicide mission

Not doing a loyalty mission isn't a gauranteed death sentence.

This if you assign someone to do the wrong thing they will probably die. Actual choice and consequence something that was very limited in the final moments of ME3.

[DeeLite808]

KingKhan03 wrote...
haha is it such an atrosity that I would like to see something reflected in the cutscenes of a final game of a trilogy? or am i being to unreasonable.

I would say you were being unreasonable since no promise or advertising claimed that cutscnes would reflect your decisions.

You didn't get much changes in the cutscene ending for ME1 or ME2 (unless you went the EXTREME route where everyone dies)

[rachellouise]

is it really false advertising when they were just comments made when the game was still in production?

If the game had been on the shelves, and this was used as official marketing, then I would see it as that

Modifié par rachellouise, 04 avril 2012 - 10:13 .

[CaptainIngenuity]

If you have to put (Serious) in the title you know your legal adventure is going to end poorly. (Seriously)

Proving false advertising in a field such as video game development would not only be extremely difficult, but it would be damn near impossible. You would have to argue that the entire way in which marketing is done pre production for video game development is illegal and causes harm. When you have an entire portion of marketing dollars in pre-production being (most often) lies which are coined "hype" to build interest in your game it comes easier but there is no precedent.

[KingKhan03]

DeeLite808 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...
haha is it such an atrosity that I would like to see something reflected in the cutscenes of a final game of a trilogy? or am i being to unreasonable.

I would say you were being unreasonable since no promise or advertising claimed that cutscnes would reflect your decisions.

You didn't get much changes in the cutscene ending for ME1 or ME2 (unless you went the EXTREME route where everyone dies)

But atleast there was an UNLESS in ME2. Look i'm not demanding change that is unreasonable but i'll be damned if I let someone tell me that choices mattered in the current ending of ME3 because they absolutely did not.

[DJBare]

Right, I'm outta here, I'd say to the OP before I go, let it drop, this will only reflect badly on the gamers.
And it's getting a little irritating reading the apologists remarks.

[DeeLite808]

KingKhan03 wrote...
But atleast there was an UNLESS in ME2. Look i'm not demanding change that is unreasonable but i'll be damned if I let someone tell me that choices mattered in the current ending of ME3 because they absolutely did not.

That's your opinion. Not a legal fact, which is what any "FAlse advertising" case would need.

and the OP is lacking on the legal fact.