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[Xena In Heels]

And if they wanted to reward those with high EMS scores by showing companions alive, why not show them alive on Earth with the other soldiers who were fighting? That is perhaps what is so frustrating-the fix is so simple. Show me all my buddies celebrating. Hell even kill off a few. I'm even ok with Joker and the Normandy crew being confused as to what the rainbow explosion was and making a run for it. The ending wouldn't have been great with these fixes, but it would have been bearable.

[stanzelot81]

dannii2 wrote...

kalamity116 wrote...

There's one problem: Joker has no way of knowing what the starkid told Shepard.

Also, since the Charon relay is all the way out next to Pluto, that means the Normandy must've have FTL jumped quite a while ago to even get to the mass relay in the first place.

I never understood this bit either. Guess I 'just don't get it'?

I agree with the way you figured it, I think it would take round about 5 and a bit hours at light speed to get to Pluto from Earth. Just how much Faster than Light speed IS the FTL drive in ME? (probably a codex entry somewhere?)

Maybe Joker did not use the Charon Mass Relay. Maybe he used the Citadel, since the Normandy is supposedly fighting in space against the reapers and therefore would be in "close proximity" to it. It is established in ME1 that the Citadel functions as a Mass Relay from Dark Space to our Galaxy. Why shouldn't it work both ways?
Just a thought and probably just a long shot but in theory it's possible.

[Vhalkyrie]

Xena In Heels wrote...

And if they wanted to reward those with high EMS scores by showing companions alive, why not show them alive on Earth with the other soldiers who were fighting? That is perhaps what is so frustrating-the fix is so simple. Show me all my buddies celebrating. Hell even kill off a few. I'm even ok with Joker and the Normandy crew being confused as to what the rainbow explosion was and making a run for it. The ending wouldn't have been great with these fixes, but it would have been bearable.

That's what I don't understand about the ending.  I expected to see my squad continuing to fight on Earth, maybe making a last stand.  But they are on the Normandy...way to abandon the fight.

[gmboy902]

See, when I see a massive burst of space magic coming from Earth but leaving ships unharmed, I don't jump to the conclusion that "Oh crap, it's going to kill my AI girlfriend!"

Your assumption also can't be correct in that it happens for all three endings. BioWare may have been lazy with the ending but I doubt that lazy.

[Oninagwa]

In the mission on Rannoch, I took EDI to disable the Geth jamming tower. She states that she becomes disconnected from the Normandy, and she feels the effect of the SAC (Stand Alone Complex). Considering EDI has no reaper code, but only componets from Navara connected to her blue box. EDI could potentially be fine in the stand alone platform.

[Wolfen919]

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

Trying to make sense of something that does not make sense. I applaud your effort, but we all know what Joker did does not make sense. Add the fact that our squadmates are in the normandy with him and you got a brain full of ..... err.. f...mush.

Just don't bother. Either IT is true and Bioware sucks for not creating a full game, or Bioware suck for making such an unexplainable ending.

I'm just waiting to be proved wrong by their actions...

[SuperVulcan]

The thing I don't understand is how the crew miraculously land on a garden planet.

[res27772]

SuperVulcan wrote...

The thing I don't understand is how the crew miraculously land on a garden planet.

Well, they can't have them land on Vulcan or some Venusian shake'n'bake, that would just be wrong!

[Pelle6666]

No one knew what the crucible would do. If he ran in fear of the weapon that might be their only hope to win the fight then he is a coward. I don't think he is, so the scene makes no sense.

[Ziggeh]

Pelle6666 wrote...

No one knew what the crucible would do. If he ran in fear of the weapon that might be their only hope to win the fight then he is a coward. I don't think he is, so the scene makes no sense.

Wait, what? He ran away from a weapon of mass destruction that was going off, and this makes him a coward?

[likta_]

Ziggeh wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

No one knew what the crucible would do. If he ran in fear of the weapon that might be their only hope to win the fight then he is a coward. I don't think he is, so the scene makes no sense.

Wait, what? He ran away from a weapon of mass destruction that was going off, and this makes him a coward?

And he knew that because...? For all he knew it would only deactivate Reapers, or do nothing. Or shoot laserunicorns at reapers, or give people beehives for hands to punch out reapers. There is no way he could judge the situation, fly to the charon portal, and jump in time.

[Ziggeh]

likta_ wrote...

And he knew that because...? For all he knew it would only deactivate Reapers, or do nothing. Or shoot laserunicorns at reapers, or give people beehives for hands to punch out reapers. There is no way he could judge the situation, fly to the charon portal, and jump in time.

Two things: Firstly, I don't believe he went through the relay. That's trying to apply a logic to something while at the same time claiming it to be illogical. Everything moves at the speed of plot. 

Secondly, he knew it was built to defeat giant spacefaring aliens. It's pretty reasonable to assume it's a weapon. When it's rushing towards you it's pretty reasonable indeed to run away from it.

Edit: That said, I now feel slightly sad that it didn't give everyone beehive gloves.

Modifié par Ziggeh, 05 avril 2012 - 11:38 .

[likta_]

Ziggeh wrote...

likta_ wrote...

And he knew that because...? For all he knew it would only deactivate Reapers, or do nothing. Or shoot laserunicorns at reapers, or give people beehives for hands to punch out reapers. There is no way he could judge the situation, fly to the charon portal, and jump in time.

Two things: Firstly, I don't believe he went through the relay. That's trying to apply a logic to something while at the same time claiming it to be illogical. Everything moves at the speed of plot. 

Secondly, he knew it was built to defeat giant spacefaring aliens. It's pretty reasonable to assume it's a weapon. When it's rushing towards you it's pretty reasonable indeed to run away from it.

Edit: That said, I now feel slightly sad that it didn't give everyone beehive gloves.

So here is the problem: the beam that follows Joker is a beam (duh, sorry my english is bad), the only time its a beam and not an explosion is when it travels between relays or gets shot at the charon portal. If it travels per relay, it would not slowly catch up with joker, it would be more like joker doesn't move at all. if it is the first beam that is shot at the charon portal I could understand that it would slowly catch up with Joker, but in SOL there is no garden world with 2 moons, so where does Joker crash?

Ziggeh wrote...

Edit: That said, I now feel slightly sad that it didn't give everyone beehive gloves.

And you should

Modifié par likta_, 05 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[Ziggeh]

likta_ wrote...So here is the problem: the beam that follows Joker is a beam (duh, sorry my english is bad), the only time its a beam and not an explosion is when it travels between relays or gets shot at the charon portal.

I'd have to check on that, but my recollection was that it was a wave, but due to the angle you only see a small part of the wavefront so I can see why it might be considered otherwise.

likta_ wrote...but in SOL there is no garden world with 2 moons, so where does Joker crash?

Everything moves at the speed of plot. 

There's no way to determine how fast he was going or how far he went. You could apply the numbers you find in the codex and assume the timescale it literal, but they've just shown you a wavefront that can move at both about a hundred miles an hour or several orders of magnitude faster than light. The game assumes you're still suspending the old disbelief. 

It still rather stretches credulity that he could get to such a world, (though he is pressing a lot of buttons!) but I never claimed this bit made much sense. 

Modifié par Ziggeh, 05 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[bobafett007]

Well the Normandy has fires and other problems happening in the cockpit before the beam even gets close. So does anyone think something bad might have happened to the Normandy and they had to bail?

[bobafett007]

Maybe the initial wave affected the Normandy for some reason so they jumped quick to get out of there but before they could complete the jump, the beam caught up with them. Plus when you see the wave, you only see Reapers floating around. Maybe when they saw it activating all the fleets jumped out of there and the Normandy was one of the last through and didn't make it all the way, but maybe most did since a Relay jump is pretty quick. Just some ideas anyway.

[Terrorize69]

1) Why would Joker up and leave his cloest friend and the rest of his friends.
2) What are the chances that both the Reapers and the Fleet would just let the Normandy flee for no reason.
3) EDI would not allow Joker to leave
4) Both have no idea what the beam etc will do, they have no reason to believe they are under risk, more so then they are.
5) There is noway the Normandy could make it to the relay before it got destroyed.
6) This isn't Star Trek, my party members didn't comm Joker to "Beam them up Jeffy" and join him in the ending, after being by harbingers attack also.

[Shepard-Commander-2]

I believe Joker is getting the Blackbox you made with Liara (all reaper related Information + all the scientific and cultural findings of your circle) to safety, in case you don't make it.

But that's just my thought.

Modifié par Shepard-Commander-2, 16 avril 2012 - 08:03 .

[Ryven]

Kind of something that has been bothering me for the past few days. Not sure it has been brought up or not but this seems like as good a thread as any. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or maybe I am too dumb to see it at the moment but:

If the (insert color here) explosion affected the Normandy like that, what did it do to the other ships in the Sol system?

[Terrorize69]

They got obliterated by the destruction of a mass relay along with the Sol system. But it was tweeted that space magic made it a different kind of destruction apprently.

[bobafett007]

they aren't there when you see it hit the Reapers, maybe they got away in time. maybe joker was just one of the last through and was one of the only ones to not complete his jump. they could have jumped when the Crucible blossomed or when they saw it was firing (more likely).