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[Nightwriter]

Naturalus wrote...

likta_ wrote...

How does Joker know that the beam is going to kill EDI?

Maybe EDI analyzed energy beam with Normandy sensors before it hits and started to tell Joker that this is goodbye or tells Joker, that beam harms Normandy. Joker refuse for this because of his love for EDI and runs to save her.

Good science fiction writers explain things like that with a bit of obligatory technobabble.

We got no technobabble. The burden of explanation is on the writers, not the fans.

[devSin]

There is no explanation for it.

I'm sorry, but there just isn't. It cannot be explained. It cannot be defended.

Some things are simply wrong. This is one of those things.

[Naturalus]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

OP explains why is own solution doesn't work in his own original post. 

Plus... well... how do they know whats gonna happen in the first place? 

Part of electronic warfare is sending out energy beams that are harmful to opponent and EDI is electronic warfare AI that is capable of analyzing energy beams before they hit.

[likta_]

Legendaryred wrote...

The normandy's engines exploded was because during ME3 EDI updated the cyber warfare suite of the Normandy to resemble reaper code exactly.

The engines have nothing to do with EDI. EDI is not the ship.

[tenojitsu]

How does Joker know the blast kills all sythetics?

[Hogge87]

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

How the flying F*CK does Joker know what the Crucible does when not even the protheans who designed and built it do?

[Laughing.Man.d8D]

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

How exactly does Joker or EDI know what Shepard and the Catalyst have planed? I must have missed that video clip.

[VoodooDrackus]

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

Joker would not know what choices Shepard needed to make. No one knew. Nor would he know what the beam coming after him would end up doing.

However, you are correct, Joker is motivated to protect the ship because of EDI.

When the beam hit Shepard directly and he/she got up off the ground, the chatter on the comms was that no one made it to the beam, that the entire force was wiped out. They were all falling back. Also Harbinger is taking off as you wake up which lets Joker be able to swoop in without any major trouble.
Joker may very well have broken off and come to find you and/or your companions and then make a run for it assuming that all was lost.

If you talked with Joker at some point in the game he will tell you that if he would have listened to you and evacuated that maybe you wouldn't have ended up dead at the beginning of Mass Effect 2. That has weighed heavily on him. That is a heavy motivator to try and rescue anyone left on the ground.

Since you are essentially the only hope anyone has and you were no where to be found when he swooped in. You were barely functioning as it was. He probably assumed the worst and got the hell out of there.

yes it is my speculation, but to me it makes the most sense. Imagine being behind Shepard when the beam hits him/her directly knocking them to the ground or appearing to have annihilated them, what would you think? You would probably think that this was the only person that knew what needed to be done and that they are gone, run like hell so you are not next.
In my playthroughs my companions are no where to be found, they are not near me, they are not among any of the dead corpses scattered around. So they may have already went running back so that Harbinger doesn't wipe them out as well.

[Naturalus]

likta_ wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

The normandy's engines exploded was because during ME3 EDI updated the cyber warfare suite of the Normandy to resemble reaper code exactly.

The engines have nothing to do with EDI. EDI is not the ship.

EDI is the ship Normandy there is lore and discussion about it in ME3. EDI also tells that Normandy ship is same as her. That body she is using she is only controlling it her mind is inside Normandy all times. There is also discussion about this and EDI tells that there should not be problems her controlling the body as long as Normandy dont travel too far away from her body.

Modifié par Naturalus, 04 avril 2012 - 08:16 .

[likta_]

Naturalus wrote...

likta_ wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

The normandy's engines exploded was because during ME3 EDI updated the cyber warfare suite of the Normandy to resemble reaper code exactly.

The engines have nothing to do with EDI. EDI is not the ship.

EDI is the ship Normandy there is lore and discussion about it in ME3. EDI also tells that Normandy ship is same as her. That body she is using she is only controlling it her mind is inside Normandy all times. There is also discussion about this and EDI tells that there should not be problems her controlling the body as long as Normandy dont travel too far away from her body.

I'm pretty sure your "tech team" talks about EDI, and just because she is PART of the ship does not make her the ship. Even IF EDI = the Normandy, not only the engines would break.

[Provo_101]

Also, the garden world makes no sense. As someone posted earlier, it would have taken a couple hours to reach Charon. Since relay travel is nearly instantaneous, the Normandy probably didn't even REACH the Charon relay. If that's the case then Joker is flying FTL away from Earth, So unless we miraculously had an uncolonized garden planet at the edge of Sol that NOBODY knew about, it's stupid. But I don't even care anymore. My theory: Gilligans planet is a way of Shepards consciousness symbolizing the safety of his buddies, hell, they come out smiling ffs.

[Provo_101]

@likta_

EDI is the Normandy after she's unshackled. She outright states it in Mass Effect 2. Quote: "I am the Normandy now".

[Doctoglethorpe]

Naturalus wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...

OP explains why is own solution doesn't work in his own original post. 

Plus... well... how do they know whats gonna happen in the first place? 

Part of electronic warfare is sending out energy beams that are harmful to opponent and EDI is electronic warfare AI that is capable of analyzing energy beams before they hit.

Really?... come on.  You saw how fast that space magic went out.  Don't grasp at straws to fill in these massive holes in logic, you'll just end up stuffing it full of mush that will collapse in the slightest of breezes. 

[dorktainian]

what about String Theory? Parallel Universes?

[Leonia]

It can't be explained, of the entire ending sequence the Normandy sequence is the one that no theory can explain away (minus Indoctrination if you assume it's a dream but that feels like a huge stretch). It's the one piece of the ending that is more "WTF" than the rest.

Modifié par leonia42, 04 avril 2012 - 08:26 .

[res27772]

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

Well, this scene is well after the beam supposedly decimates the team storming the Citadel, so in that moment the crew of the Normandy may 'assume' they've lost and make the decision to get the hell out of dodge - they'd have no way of knowing Shepard is actually alive on the Citadel doing his/her thing (providing the stuff on the Citadel is even real - if it's NOT then they'd think he/she is dead)... and remember, a full retreat was ordered after the team got decimated.

[likta_]

Provo_101 wrote...

@likta_

EDI is the Normandy after she's unshackled. She outright states it in Mass Effect 2. Quote: "I am the Normandy now".

Ok, then I am mistaken here. But I still think there would be more damage than just the Engines. On the other hand, reapers in space explode, reapers on earth just fell over dead.

[Nightwriter]

Seriously. I'm not hard to please. A feeble attempt at technobabble, that's all I ask for. "Joker, I am detecting high levels of ion radiation in the blast wave approaching us. It is highly unlikely synthetic materials such as my quantum bluebox will weather yada yada yada."

[TheGreenAlloy]

DinoSteve wrote...

only way it makes sense is, if Joker is a coward

[likta_]

res27772 wrote...

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

Well, this scene is well after the beam supposedly decimates the team storming the Citadel, so in that moment the crew of the Normandy may 'assume' they've lost and make the decision to get the hell out of dodge - they'd have no way of knowing Shepard is actually alive on the Citadel doing his/her thing (providing the stuff on the Citadel is even real - if it's NOT then they'd think he/she is dead)... and remember, a full retreat was ordered after the team got decimated.

Hammer had to retreat, there was NO order from Hackett to retreat, the Citadel arms opened, so they KNEW someone made it through the conduit. If they can alter their plan on the fly, they can do it again.

[Icinix]

The only time the Normandy running makes any sense is bad red.

There is no way known Joker would know that shep chose a red ending therefore EDI would die.

In green and blue, the wave doesn't even hurt ships, you see it wash over ships and people and they'll be all like "Yeah, whoa! awesome, wave of green or blue! YEAH"

Normandy however, crashes. Sense. Little makes this does.

[daecath]

Naturalus wrote...

I know that many people protest that Joker and Normandy run in end scene when she was supposed to stay and wait around earth supporting Shepard or giving evac for Shepard in case needed.

Reason they run is that. Normandy is AI ship that contains EDI this is reason why that Crucible synthetic killing energy harms Normandy. Joker loves EDI and he try to save desperately her from that Synthetic killing beam.

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

Slight problem with your theory. Unless Joker has suddenly developed psychic powers, all he's going to know is that there is a red, blue, or green light coming from the crucible. He won't have the slightest clue what those lights mean, since he wasn't there with the star-child.

[nightsinger]

Sorry, but this does not explain anything, OP.

How does Joker know what the beam would do? Even if he knew, there are 2 out of 3 possibilities that would not hurt EDI at all (control and synthesis), but he runs in all of them - as you've mentioned yourself.

Maybe Joker is running from the Mass Relay explosions not the beam - but how would he even know that they were going to explode? And, of course, we are seeing him running from the beam not the Mass Relay explosions.

Also (in my case) Liara was somehow with Joker on the Normandy when they crash-landed on that jungle-planet. When just a few moments earlier she was with me in the final assault and the radio chatter had the following: "Did we get anyone to the beam?" - "Negative. Our entire force was decimated.". I guess she had a Soulstone ready and her Hearthstone set to the Normandy, right (sorry for the WoW reference)? However, even space magic cannot explain why she would have left Shepard behind, considering what she went through to safe him after his first death and the fact that he was her love interest in ME3 (in my playthrough)...

[cutegigi]

likta_ wrote...

How does Joker know that the beam is going to kill EDI?

ESP...

[MrFob]

Doesn't even fit then because the others don't even know what Shep is doing.