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[Againstallodds14]

heres my thinking, is it really joker? if the indoc idea is right ( witch the indoc idea has plotholes to) then the Normandy & Joker is just Shepards mind flying away from the blast thats taking the reapers out of shepards mind. thats just my opinion.

[Snoozems7]

Againstallodds14 wrote...

heres my thinking, is it really joker? if the indoc idea is right ( witch the indoc idea has plotholes to) then the Normandy & Joker is just Shepards mind flying away from the blast thats taking the reapers out of shepards mind. thats just my opinion.

That is the only way I can bear thinking about it whether I agree with Indoc or not.

[Xena In Heels]

This issue is by far my biggest criticism of the ending. My squad is on the ground with me. Specifically Garris and Liara on the last mission. In me2 Liara stopped at nothing to get my body. I am lying under a pile of rubble Bc I chose red and no one is digging me out? Instead they are galaxies away? No explanation can fix this. It needs to be cut.

Modifié par Xena In Heels, 04 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Luigitornado]

Or you know. In Bioware's fix they can just have a bit where Hackett orders a retreat of Sword when they realize that the Crucible is working.

[Naoe]

likta_ wrote...

How does Joker know that the beam is going to kill EDI?

This.
And how does he (or EDI) initiate the FTL jump AFTER they see the wave, when it travels faster then light...?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

I love how in my playthrough I chose Synthesis and took EDI with me on the charge down the hill towards the beam. Apparently Joker was brave enough to swoop down and save his girlfriend but not brave enough to fight.

Saved his lady and ran...

I always bring Javik with me on the mission, and my LI and Javik ALWAYS walk out fo the Normandy. That scene is so uncharacteristic of Joker it's like Batman decided killing criminals is more effective.

[JakeAdams]

Provo_101 wrote...

Yeah, no one other than Shepard knows jack about the Skittles beam. Sorry.

Star Child and the Multi-colored Skittles beam!

I bet it'd be a hit on broadway.

[clarkusdarkus]

gonna be interesting how the hell they explain some things on friday tho

[Ziggeh]

Kandon Arc wrote...

What I'm saying is that this is the first time that such a large disconnect has appeared betwen the established rules of the universe and observed events. An author has leeway in bending the rules he creates, but he shouldn't go too far and nor should he leave it unexplained. A good example is the shift from infinite ammo to thermal clips between ME1 and ME2. This was done for gameplay reasons but they did also make time to explain it in a believable way. 

Sorry, what was the large disconnect? We were talking about his ability to see the beam due to it's speed, which was established moments ago in three scenes in which it's speed differs dramatically (this is an understatement).

I certainly agree there is a good deal of rule bending going on here, but only slightly more so than much of the rest of the series. The difference is the willingness of disbelief, which arguably is the fault of the author (because at that point most of us are picturing xzibit and/or annoyed about the railroading) but taken in isolation I only see a few problems (as in actual flaws, rather than quality, which is another matter) with the scene (mostly the sudden appearance of team members) that aren't either solvable through implications or readily understandable.

We're nitpicking. Which is fair enough. But I find it wierd to try to pick nits off of the great hairy seething apes that represent the endings actual problems in this analogy.

[Beti88]

Joker would've NEVER leave this battle. He simply would not.

Period.

[Snoozems7]

One way or another, the entire thing is FUBAR given that we're even having to discuss it here. Nothing makes sense. We're trying to make seven when all we have is a two and three - it's pointless. Still, we need to do something and vent this frustration. At the very least we can hope Bioware and the big wigs at EA are reading this.

[DavidMW]

What about the Geth?

It cant be explained cause it makes no logical sense....unless....

God did it!

[Gentei]

If you got less then 3k war asset the 2 squadmates you have with you die when harbringer rapes you with his laser beam.
In my case Ashley and Vega were both lying in a pool of their own blood....

[likta_]

Watching this thread I realized Rick Astley would have been a better friend then Joker, because he wouldn't have "give me up" "let me down" "run around and desert me". Screw you Joker!

[soren4ever]

 Simple Answer: Joker was trying to escape from such a horrible ending.

"Speculation for Everyone!" 

Modifié par soren4ever, 04 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[Ziggeh]

likta_ wrote...

Watching this thread I realized Rick Astley would have been a better friend then Joker, because he wouldn't have "give me up" "let me down" "run around and desert me". Screw you Joker!

Friends take explosions in the face for friends.

[Kalas82]

Sinekein wrote...

Naturalus wrote...

This run scene for Normandy on fits only if Shepard choice synthetic life killing ending I do not understand why same Normandy run scene comes if Shepard choice synthesis or control ending. Controls ending dont harm EDI and synthesis helps Joker and EDI become lovers even better.

That's kind of the problem here.

It´s a problem, further there are the teleporting squadmates, then how the f***k does Joker know about what`s going on at the deus ex machina, why does he leave the ballte...which he must have cause somehow he got to the relay and used it (seeing as the crash-landing-planet is not around earth) or gotton quite far away from the relay.

I disagree with the topics name, no offens.

[QuarkZ26]

likta_ wrote...

How does Joker know that the beam is going to kill EDI?

Because there was a microphone in Shepard's butt.

Modifié par QuarkZ26, 04 avril 2012 - 06:18 .

[Trentgamer]

doesn't explain a thing. How would EDI and Joker know what the crucible would do? they don't. Not even Shepard knew what it would do until he got there...so no sorry, doesn't explain a thing.

[WarpedAcorn]

Title of the thread is misleading...

[dayumdhuum]

What always bothered me is the fact that your squad mates not only abandon Shepard, but also abandon their mission. You say, "If I saw Shepard get hit by the beam, I would run also." I call bulls***. Anyone who goes with you knows what's at stake here. Plain and simple, if they do not make it to the conduit, then we lose. I cannot think of any reason that any squad member would just give up when they are less than 100 yards from the key to victory. "Shepard getting killed demoralized them." Sorry, don't buy it. If anything, it seems to me that it would make them want to kill the Reapers even more. Garrus would bring the hammer down on them so hard, the next galaxy over would feel it. Same for Javik. Same for Vega. Same for Ashley. Same for Liara. Same for Tali. Same for EDI. I cannot and will not accept that they abandoned their mission because they suddenly turned into p***ies. They all know what is at stake here, they all know they are probably going to die and they even verify in game. This to me is the point in which the ending becomes nonsensical.

[DiE231]

Joker doesn't know the explosion will harm EDI,

Joker had time to land on Earth, pick up the entire crew and make a run for the mass relay, and still outrun the explosion.


Sorry, OP, but this scene can't be explained, only scratched.

[dayumdhuum]

TheGreenAlloy wrote...

Naturalus wrote...
 They could not make ending where some players could continue playing and others not.

Yeah, yeah they could.

Shepard is alive at the end of the destroy ending if you have enough EMS.  People who picked that one could technically still play.

[Special J]

If you pick 'control', what exactly is Joker running from?

And how did Ash get on board when she was just with me a minute ago getting shot at by Harbinger?

Modifié par Special J, 04 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[Silveralen]

Beti88 wrote...

Joker would've NEVER leave this battle. He simply would not.

Period.

Actually, now tat I think about it, where the hell did Javik go? He apparently borded the normandy as Iwnet in the beam............ now that makes even less sense.