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[ZajoE38]

Hi there - I think this is worth your attention.


Drew Karpyshyn says there's nothing to rumors that BioWare ruined the game after his departure.



Love it or hate it, we can all admit that Mass Effect 3's sudden third-act twist has proven rather controversial. Legions of unhappy fans have taken to the game's official message boards to lodge complaints and petition BioWare to "fix" the ending, with some going so far as to claim that the game's last fifteen minutes have tarnished the entire franchise forever.

In the wake of the controversy, Mass Effect's former lead writer Drew Karpyshyn has defended the game's conclusion, debunking claims that the ending was changed following his departure from the franchise.

Karpyshyn, along with Mac Walters, served as head writer on the first Mass Effect game and contributed heavily to the second before transferring to BioWare Austin to assist on Star Wars: The Old Republic.

A popular theory among disgruntled fans claims that Mass Effect 3's ending was hastily thrown together as a last minute replacement for Karpyshyn's much stronger intended finale, which centered around Dark Energy. A snippet explaining the original plot was posted to the Something Awful forums, attributed to a source inside BioWare:

The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means.

But according to Karpyshyn, that so-called "original ending" was only one of several possiblities, and it certainly wasn't as definitive as some fans would like to believe.

"Dark Energy was on the table at one point," he wrote on Twitter, "but the original idea for the ending was all about Reapers and Mass Relays."

Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself, Karpyshyn says the ending that made it into Mass Effect 3 is in line with what he'd planned for all along.

"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked," he said.

Karpyshyn went on to express skepticism that his continued work on the franchise would have done much to change things one way or the other.

"Funny. Some upset fans say ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. But fans upset about my [Knights of the Old Republic] Revan novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference."

So, there you have it, straight from the horse's mouth. You're more than welcome to hate Mass Effect 3's ending — I certainly felt a bit let down by the whole thing. Just don't make Drew Karpyshyn a scapegoat in the process.


http://www.gameranx....es-conclusion/ 

[Shaoken]

Interesting....interesting....

I would have loved to read some of these ideas that didn't make it.

[likta_]

13.03.2012 - thats over 10,000 internet-years ago.

Was here several times too.

Modifié par likta_, 04 avril 2012 - 09:51 .

[Jenonax]

Sorry Drew not buying it. At least the dark energy was foreshadowed, at least it wouldn't have come straight out of left field.

And no, Drew, the basic concept of the original ending is not there. Yes we get to destroy the Reapers but that's about it.

Play the game!

[UrgentArchengel]

Oh I don't, I blame crappy timetables and behind the scene stuff.

[Noelemahc]

Interesting to hear what he will say (has said?) after finishing the game.

[TheVolusSuck]

"Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself"

-Stopped reading there.

[Dire Wombat]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself [...]

That may be everything you need to know right there.

EVERYONE thought the ending-hate was blown out of proportion until they played it themselves.  I certainly thought so... I played the game almost totally unspoiled, but I knew people were really angry about the ending.

I was sure it was a case of whiny fanboys raging at Bioware, just like they always do, and people just couldn't handle a bittersweet ending or one that involved sacrifice.  Boy, was I wrong.  

[Hendrik.III]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Oh I don't, I blame crappy timetables and behind the scene stuff.

^ this

[Catroi]

this is so old... like 2 weeks ago or something...

[Xandax]

Dire Wombat wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself [...]

That may be everything you need to know right there.

EVERYONE thought the ending-hate was blown out of proportion until they played it themselves.  I certainly thought so... I played the game almost totally unspoiled, but I knew people were really angry about the ending.

I was sure it was a case of whiny fanboys raging at Bioware, just like they always do, and people just couldn't handle a bittersweet ending or one that involved sacrifice.  Boy, was I wrong.  

I thought so as well.
I should have listened to the Internet for once instead......oh boy I should have listened.

And well - you can't expect Drew to say much different anyway. It's also marketing/PR for him and him going out to berate a former employer/company would be foolish.

Modifié par Xandax, 04 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[count_4]

ZajoE38 wrote...
 A popular theory among disgruntled fans claims that Mass Effect 3's ending was hastily thrown together 

Well, they didn't even have an idea about the ending in November '11. Seeing as this is one of the most important parts of the game, that pretty much counts as hastily thrown together...

[lofte_2000]

Even if this ending was intended it is still crap, the Dark Energy option would have been a better one and in context with research ongoing in dark energy in the real world at the moment. I would have preferred BW to have spent another year on the game than releasing it the way it is and avoided the obvious rushed ending. If it wasn't rushed it sure as hell looks like it has been.

Modifié par lofte_2000, 04 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[bucyrus5000]

What all these BW posts by their guys never seem to get is how flawed, poorly conceived, and written the ending is. There is no defending it. It would get a kid an 'F' if it were a creative writing assignment. On top of those 8th grade errors, the ending is a ripoff of other games. It's copy & paste game design. Further, we were promised that the type of ending we got was not going to be the type of ending we got.

Modifié par bucyrus5000, 04 avril 2012 - 10:11 .

[ZajoE38]

Yeah but in reality the dark energy theory is getting refused..so ME needs to be believable

[ZLurps]

Drews original message was posted before. To say Drew defends the ending is really a huge stretch. It looks like guy behind article took a lot of freedom in interpreting to Drew's words, when IMO Drew simply tried to maintain neutral position and even told that he has not played the game.

Click fishing, nothing else.

[Insidiae]

On karpyshyn's twitter feed he posted about 2 weeks ago that the ending was always supposed to be in the lines of what we got. And yes I'm too lazy to go and find it.

[MikeC99]

lofte_2000 wrote...

Even if this ending was intended it is still crap, the Dark Energy option would have been a better one and in context with research ongoing in dark energy in the real world at the moment. I would have preferred BW to have spent another year on the game than releasing it the way it is and avoided the obvious rushed ending. If it wasn't rushed it sure as hell looks like it has been.

Agreed x10! I get what the concept they were trying to portray is about, and I get the options as endings in themselves - it's just the loss of narrative consistency and the sloppy stitching together, or complete ignorance, of (internal, story consistent) facts. I'd much rather believe any sort of conspiracy theory that says Bioware were forced to rush or hack the end together, than to believe that with all the resources and time they needed they really either didn't see the plot holes, or believed the dramatic impact of the ending would allow them to get away with them. If the latter IS the case .... (                 ) is what I am.
cheers
MikeC

[Avatar231278]

In the meantime Drew must have had the possibility to play ME3 and watch the ending...

First thought: "What sh*t did I say a few weeks ago..."

[ZLurps]

Insidiae wrote...

On karpyshyn's twitter feed he posted about 2 weeks ago that the ending was always supposed to be in the lines of what we got. And yes I'm too lazy to go and find it.

He haven't played the game and can't know how it was endings were implemented in game. I really doubt he had RGP in mind when he pondered the endings when working in Mass Effect team.

[Dridengx]

So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference

he's right, it wouldn't have. People head canon'd their shepard so hard that no matter how ME3 ended people would have complained

[res27772]

Jenonax wrote...

Sorry Drew not buying it. At least the dark energy was foreshadowed, at least it wouldn't have come straight out of left field.

Yeah, after all the Dark Matter talk in ME2, I expected the Reapers to have something to do with that, either using it some kind of 'long term' weapon, or, I don't know how, I just expected the two to be connected somehow.  Ghostkid is just a copout imho.

[likta_]

Dridengx wrote...

So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference

he's right, it wouldn't have. People head canon'd their shepard so hard that no matter how ME3 ended people would have complained

There is a difference between "not as got as we thought it would be" and the steaming pile of crap we actually got.

[Gibb_Shepard]

No he didn't defend the ending. Misleading title.

[satunnainen]

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.