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[MrFob]

Well, I don't exactly see him defend the ending there. He says he didn't play the game yet and he says that the final word on the Dark Energy plot was not spoken by the time he left and that with him there, it might very be the same as it is now. All of this is probably true and I believe him. Also, I can see why he'd make such a statement. Haha, I wonder however if he still says that after he played through the game for himself.

[Avatar231278]

satunnainen wrote...

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.

No one needs to play the game to find out how it ENDS.

But you need to play it to find out how bad it COHERENDS.

[Necrotron]

Dire Wombat wrote...

EVERYONE thought the ending-hate was blown out of proportion until they played it themselves.

Pretty much.

[likta_]

satunnainen wrote...

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.

We think we know better how the story ends than the "guy who wrote the story" because we PLAYED it, he did not. He didn't write the ending to begin with.

[kalasaurus]

He's not going to trash a colleague.

[ZLurps]

satunnainen wrote...

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.

Execution and details is about all there is. It were been possible to use the basic ideas and make it better by better execution. Also author of article never even had conversation with Drew. It's all just author of article making crap up with huge bias. More controversy, more clicks.

Modifié par ZLurps, 04 avril 2012 - 10:26 .

[Dire Wombat]

satunnainen wrote...

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.

Um, he didn't write it?

He was involved in some of the early planning, but he did not, in fact, write the story to ME3.

[xxLDZxx]

Maybe this is his honest opinion on the subject BUT!

Noelemahc wrote...

Interesting to hear what he will say (has said?) after finishing the game.

Nothing bad, its in the contract and EA can start a law suit against him if they think his actions reduce the profit of the Company.

By saying what he thinks or by acting.

If he sass ME3 sux balls he has to pay a few million dollar to EA.

Don t give a damn about official statements, they are less worth than ****.

[ThePanzer99]

Yeah I haven't actually bothered to watch the ending, but let me give my opinion on how I know it fits the story anyway...

Lolwut?

[Little Princess Peach]

can't people just agree to dissagree we all know the ending was not what we expected but hey at least we got a sort of ending instead of just waiting for an ending to come along and slap us in the face

[ThePanzer99]

Bathaius wrote...

Dire Wombat wrote...

EVERYONE thought the ending-hate was blown out of proportion until they played it themselves.

Pretty much.

Exactly. I also thought it was probably being over-hyped till I saw the damn thing. Then Ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu!

[BrianWilly]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

can't people just agree to dissagree we all know the ending was not what we expected but hey at least we got a sort of ending instead of just waiting for an ending to come along and slap us in the face

What does this even mean?  No seriously.

[spacehamsterZH]

1) My understanding is that he still works for Bioware. Of course he's not going to go out there and say, yeah, they reassigned me to TOR and Mac Walters, who I've previously worked with, ruined my baby when I couldn't stop him anymore. Even if it were true - I'm not saying it is, but even if it were - he wouldn't say that. What's notable is that he says anything at all, really. If he hated the ending, he'd probably just keep quiet about it.

2) The dark energy ending isn't much better than what we got.

[satunnainen]

What level of planning do you think he did then if he didnt "write" the ending. He himself said that the ending was like he originally planned +/- some details and stuff. When they started the mass effect series they said (iirc) that they have a 3 part story planned and he was the lead writer for first part so he must have known the ending plans then. He also wrote parts of ME2.

I am not saying that he actually wrote the script and dialogue for the current ending but surely he knows the main ideas and themes (crusible is attached, shepard kicks illusive mans rear, shepard meets the real controller of reapers and gets a choice (or 3) to end the reaper war).

[crimzontearz]

old

[lillitheris]

ZajoE38 wrote...

Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself, Karpyshyn says the ending that made it into Mass Effect 3 is in line with what he'd planned for all along.

"From what I hear, the basic concept of the original ending is there, though some details may have been tweaked," he said.

Solid. Wonder if he's finished it since?

Modifié par lillitheris, 04 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[Renew81]

Bioware should have kept it simple , no need for last minute twists.

[SillyNydia]

Every time I come to the forums I leave even more po'd than before lol

[Bourne Endeavor]

Funny thing is Drew has admitted to never playing ME3, and thus has not actually seen the endings. He is merely defending Walters by marginalizing his ideas.

[AlienSpaceBats]

I wouldn't pay too much attention to him. In his ME books, Krogan wear watches.

[Sparse]

ZajoE38 wrote...

But according to Karpyshyn, that so-called "original ending" was only one of several possiblities, and it certainly wasn't as definitive as some fans would like to believe.

That is just crazy.

How can you have 'several possibilities' for what the story is actually going to be about???

From the outset it needed to have an ending in place, not a 'we'll chuck lots of random threads in over the trilogy and decide at the end of the ME3 which we fancy as the ending'.

No wonder Bioware's quality has dropped if they are doing that.

[KestrelM1]

Here's the thing about the endings: they not bad on paper. The Synthesis/Control/Destruction paradigm wouldn't have been that bad if it was handled correctly.

It's all about the execution here. The ending was handled horribly. It would have been just as bad if "Dark Energy" had been the reason and the choices were "Destroy/Sacrifice" and ended the same way - an incoherent and poorly-explained mess.

I have the utmost respect for Mr. Karpyshyn, but I think he really needs to experience the ending for himself in order to appreciate its biggest issue - the horrible execution.

[Insidiae]

ZLurps wrote...

Insidiae wrote...

On karpyshyn's twitter feed he posted about 2 weeks ago that the ending was always supposed to be in the lines of what we got. And yes I'm too lazy to go and find it.

He haven't played the game and can't know how it was endings were implemented in game. I really doubt he had RGP in mind when he pondered the endings when working in Mass Effect team.

I'm not saying he had the *cough* awesome *cough* colour endings in mind. I said story wise it is what he had planned more or less, as he himself put it.

There are mayor differences in making a story and putting it on the screen. Obviously we all think it wasn't quite satisfying what we got but that doesn't mean story wise it's somewhat what he meant to do.

[MoZedK]

For me it is not the ending in it self, though it is a ripoff. That would be OK, the problem is the promise that there would be a biiiiiiggggg impact on the choises you had made on the ending.
Even Casey Hudson say it would.
The fact is the endings is so Alike that there aint really any difference on what you have made, that the biig problem for me.

Yes I could get on a rant with open plot holes and other stuff where the writers, eighter dont know what happened in the first games and/or havent played the first 2 games.

Thats Lazy! Other then that the game is great IMO.

[Sparse]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Funny thing is Drew has admitted to never playing ME3, and thus has not actually seen the endings.

Well, so long as he's played Deus Ex.........