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[zzcoreyzz]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

"Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself"

-Stopped reading there.

[Ibecomedeath]

satunnainen wrote...

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.

Clearly he has not seen the ending, not in any real detail and only has a vague understanding of how the saga ended... Had he experienced the ending for himself and came out saying this is what he would have done, different matter...

To simply allude to the fact it sounds like one of the concepts on the table, before he left the ME team, is a long way from being exactly how he planned it...

[D_Dude1210]

What makes anyone here thinks that an EA employee would say anything bad about another EA product?? PR would have already done a briefing on everyone regarding what to say and he's an obvious first candidate for any PR damagd control effort. Hell even the article drips of bias and twists the meanings of his words as mich as possi lr to try and marginalize the problems with the ending as much as it can. How anyone can trust the sincerity of a statement such as "Never saw the ending but I'm sure it would be as good as anything I would have come up with" is beyond md.... Read between the lines ppl!

The naievete some ppl have astounds me sometimes.

[Occulo]

D_Dude1210 wrote...
What makes anyone here thinks that an EA employee would say anything bad about another EA product??

Yeah, Drew Karpyshyn actually resigned from BioWare and EA in February, and this statement was apparently made in March?

[AlexMBrennan]

Well, it's not just the ending but how it's pulled off. Whether the Reapers motivation is stopping Dark Energy (heavily foreshadowed) or the Singularity (nope) matters little if you change the premise and protagonist at the last minute in 14 lines of dialogue (because it's really Guardian stopping the Reapers because Shepard asks nicely)

[Wulfram]

He's not really defending, or commenting on, the ending, he's just correcting few misconceptions that have come up.

[D_Dude1210]

You DO know ppl who resign from companies can still be bound by a form of non-competitve/nondisclosure and/or an agreement to only release approved statements for up to a year, right?

[Occulo]

You still called him an EA employee when he clearly was not.

[D_Dude1210]

Which makds littld to no differencd to thd point I'm making.

[BigEvil]

Occulo wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...
What makes anyone here thinks that an EA employee would say anything bad about another EA product??

Yeah, Drew Karpyshyn actually resigned from BioWare and EA in February, and this statement was apparently made in March?

Yeah, but he probably doesn't want to burn bridges with his former employers and collegues.

[Apathy1989]

Dark Energy ending was equally as terrible, so not expecting him to go against the current ending.

Edit: Ok not equally, at least it made some sort of sense and tied into back stories. It would have been a big kick to the teeth for players though.

Modifié par Apathy1989, 04 avril 2012 - 11:59 .

[ZajoE38]

But one thing is true. Bioware should have never come up with those tweaks. It would be the best for everyone if the Catalyst wouldn't exist. Crucible is fine, superweapon that will improve the odds. But Catalyst ruined everything. Please remove him in DLC. He is just one trouble and plothole after another!

[Myrmedus]

satunnainen wrote...

Kind of funny how some of you guys who have spent 100+ hours playing the game think that you know better how the story ends than the guy who wrote the story.

Ofcourse the execution and details may differ from what was intended for various reasons but I think it is stupid to tell this particular guy that he needs to play the game to find out how it ends.

Execution and details is what makes or breaks a narrative.

Many stories are actually not that complex. Consider the story to LotR: it's basically just a war between goodies and baddies. There's magic, there's some rings, and the baddies look like they barely made it past pond-life. Beyond that, it's not that complex, interesting or unique.

It's once you delve into the execution and details that it becomes interesting and unique...and that's just one example of a story but it's the case with pretty much every narrative.

[D_Dude1210]

I happen to frrl that the endings as a plot on paper weren't really that bad. Underwhelming, but not thd WTFBAD that it is now. It was the lazy and rushed execution that made it suck so bad.

[The Lightspeaker]

Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself, Karpyshyn says the ending that made it into Mass Effect 3 is in line with what he'd planned for all along.

I don't get how him saying that its the kind of ending he would have done himself makes it any better...it is objectively bad and poorly done on any level. Regardless of whose idea it was or who put it in. All he's doing is putting blame onto himself as well for this mess.

[AIR MOORE]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

"Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself"

-Stopped reading there.

^THIS^

-AND-


The guy is still an employee of Bioware (just a different division)... what is he going to say:

"Yeah, Mass Effect 3 ending sucked hard, I wouldn't buy the game until they fix it!"

That makes a whole bunch of sense for a Bioware employee to say.

[Shaoken]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I wouldn't pay too much attention to him. In his ME books, Krogan wear watches.

....what?

The man was one of the lead writers at Bioware. That alone means you should listen to him.

And why wouldn't Krogan wear watches? Telling the time is a pretty crucial ability, and Krogan are not mindless savages.

[Transgirlgamer]

Drew Karpyshyn said the ending he would have used was about reapers and Mass Relays. That's what we got. Yet people are now saying 'he hasn't played the game, if he had then he'd say this wasn't what he would have done'.

I love his writing. I really do. And sure, he would have done the ending slightly different at least, because he writes differently. That doesn't mean we wouldn't have ended up with the god child, control,destroy or synthesis and the relays destroyed, just that he would have written those elements slightly differently.

All writers write something their fans don't like now and then. Maybe as fans we don't like to admit it when they do, but that doesn't change anything.

[Beerfish]

I don't care who came up with the ending and if it as intended from day one they all still suck. The whole crux of the three part series relies on your relationship with your companions and the many fine ancillary characters in the games. The end game or climax just sweeps them all aside in one fell swoop and gives you the overwhelming feeling that you were forced to just toss your life in the trash bin on the words of some entity that pops up 2 minutes before end game.

Even with the forced kill me options on the words on some thing you have met for 30 seconds if they would have actually spent time on 3 minutes of cutscenes showing characters you have come to relate to reacting to your death and or living their lives there is some closure.

They even bulloxed that by bringing out a princess bride moment of the grandpa and some kid you can't relate to.

I'm equally ticked off at what they did to the illusive man at the end. They may as well have pasted a Saren mask on him and just run the ending Saren footage from the 1st game right down to his "i cannot allow you to undo what I have done' speech and having an option for him to do himself in.

Anderson good bye....good. The rest of the last part including Marauder totally sucked.

Modifié par Beerfish, 04 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[Flextt]

He's still an important employee of Bioware. Don't expect him to say anything different than any other employee

[ardias89]

Lets see what he says when he has played the game...

[zarnk567]

Bathaius wrote...

Dire Wombat wrote...

EVERYONE thought the ending-hate was blown out of proportion until they played it themselves.

Pretty much.

Yup, same here.

[Transgirlgamer]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

I wouldn't pay too much attention to him. In his ME books, Krogan wear watches.

Do they?  I don't remember that from reading them last week.  Does it actually say watches or could it be they use something like....  An omnitool to tell the time?  We don't know exactly what you can do with an omnitool, but telling the time seems like it wouldn't be a stretch for one.

[Avernius]

TheVolusSuck wrote...

"Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself"

-Stopped reading there.

[kegNeggs]

Dire Wombat wrote...

ZajoE38 wrote...

Though he's yet to play Mass Effect 3 for himself [...]

That may be everything you need to know right there.

EVERYONE thought the ending-hate was blown out of proportion until they played it themselves.  I certainly thought so... I played the game almost totally unspoiled, but I knew people were really angry about the ending.

I was sure it was a case of whiny fanboys raging at Bioware, just like they always do, and people just couldn't handle a bittersweet ending or one that involved sacrifice.  Boy, was I wrong.  

I kept it just like that. I thought , silly speedrunners, of course they're not gonna get the best ending. was never more disappointed to find out I was wrong