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[kcp12]

Read this on Kotaku



Funny how its the gay sex "some people" get offended at and don't want the children to see and not the gallons of blood you can spill.

Looks like this can be fox news all over again

Modifié par kcp12, 05 décembre 2009 - 12:58 .

[SheffSteel]

WND is at it too.

[KariTR]

The UK's Telegraph report is more neutral/positive.



http://www.telegraph...-sex-scene.html

[kcp12]

Is this the WND link you are talking about?

http://www.wnd.com/i...w&pageId=117131

People are getting angry over demon possesing children in fiction?
Its almost 2010...

Modifié par kcp12, 03 décembre 2009 - 02:50 .

[Gorath Alpha]

I thought I saw that on Lopez's show, not Kimmel's. Whichever it was, looked very washed out and jerky. I have no interest either way, in-game, being totally hetero, without feeling any need to posture about personal masculinity. They must've been playing it for the camera on a Sony Console? Don't I read that it's bog-slow on those?



Gorath

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[Aidunno]

Could ask why media always assumes games are meant for children.

[Saurel]

Aidunno wrote...

Could ask why media always assumes games are meant for children.

They don't they lie to themselves in order to be sensationalists and pray on the minds of those who have no clue how the gaming scene works.

[Bibdy]

Apparently ESRB, and equivalent, age rating systems are too difficult to understand.



We must simplify the process:



N = No morons allowed

[Kimberly Shaw]

The game is rated "M" for Mature. End of story, unless its marketed at and being targeted for children there should be no argument.



That aside, the "sex" scenes are clothed for god's sake. AND the violence in the game is much much much more graphic if you're going to target anything, I regularly decapitate people and walk around with blood splatters all over my face.



Don't get me started about desire demons and children, its FICTION.

[StupidWiz]

Aidunno wrote...

Could ask why media always assumes games are meant for children.

Because we're introduced to some games in our early stages of life thus it is generally assumed that only children play games

[FKSSR]

I think things like this will become less common as younger gamers grow older. Sure, there are plenty of older gamers now, but there will be a difference when kids/teenagers/college kids playing Halo and Modern Warfare (and ME and DA) get into the media and other "policing" jobs themselves. Of course, there are always ignorant people and people that wish to force their own opinions on everyone else.

[pathenry]

Aidunno wrote...
Could ask why media always assumes games are meant for children.

Because Gamespot and EB games are always filled with mostly children?
(And one creepy old guy like me buying DA.)

[mathewgurney]

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.

I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.

The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.

Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.

However

Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.

The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

[Theist]

Unless she turns out to be Homosexual. Homosexuality is also something with a rich, detailed background and can spark up discussions. It's certainly far from the stigma it was in past generations, but it does have a long way to go. You yourself have just written off people who may be very much in love as engaging in pointless activities because they are gay. To many of them, it is far more than a consumer activity with no relevence.



What if your supposed awakening her to the evils of the world and how they are dealt with at a young age leads to deviant behavior. Given 5 is a very impressionable age and people in DAO are spraying blood like someone has opened a shaken pop can. Though I'm not wanting to turn this thread into a discussion on videogames effects on deviance.

[addiction21]

deleting a stupid comment...

Modifié par addiction21, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:03 .

[Zealuu]

Why does The Telegraph bill it a "secret gay sex scene"? It's not like you need a third-party modification to unlock it or anything - it's right there from the beginning. Picking the appropriate dialogue responses in order to get laid is something happening on a nightly basis across clubs worldwide, it's not like it's a code or some Dan Brownesque mystery you have to solve in order to get you some hot, sweaty man love.

[Damar Stiehl]

Oh noes, homosexual sex in games will turn our little angels homosexual. Someone call Jack Thompson?.. wait, he's been disballed...



Matthewgurney: fail troll, must troll harder.

[Jonfon_ire]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

You don't mind her watching violence rated M but you do mind her asking questions about gay people? Okay...

Even so you have to peruse Z if you want to bed him so I'm not sure what your point actually is. 

I remember my nephew when he was about 4 or 5 explaining to me what gay means. It's when a man loves another man as his boyfriend. My mum explained it to him like that and it seemed a perfectly reasonable explanation to him. Sex never came into it at all. When my daughter asks that's what I'm going to tell her too (she's only two at the mo).

[Badpie]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

This is the kind of point of view I will never understand.  It' s okay for your 5-year old to witness horrible acts of violence because there's violence in the world, but not okay for her to see gay sex....because there's no gay sex in the world?

Also, what if your daughter turns out to be gay?  Then I would say it would be relevant.  Of course, I don't think I'd let my five year old watch violence OR sex of ANY kind at that age, but hey... whatever.

Modifié par Badpie, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:10 .

[Tosheroon]

Has gay romance become outlawed in the West suddenly? Otherwise, how is this at all newsworthy? And yes, I also noticed the 'secret' tag in the Telegraph headline.



You know, if you play Alistair's VO lines backwards he talks about how he is a closet gay man who simply awaits a secret interactive computer romance to unlock the homosexual potential within him.



Just like every sensationalists' kids I guess.

[kcp12]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

ok? How is gay sex a "consumer" activity. What if your daughter turns out to be gay? Then it becomes very relevant and it teaches her about the diversity of human relationships. So its ok to teach her about the violent part of human (hardly pratical) but not the entire sexual part.

[Dark83]

"There's no gay sex, there's just clothed cuddling. Why are you seeing gay sex? Do you have some repressed issues and desires you're projecting onto this?"

Edit: The average gamer is something like 30, no?

Modifié par Dark83, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:17 .

[Tripedius]

I think the guy with the 5-year old was joking. He's probably very, very gay and his daughter was a product of his denial.



It's the US for ya. If you are from Holland and not religious, gay people are quite normal and just a everyday normality. However gaysex isnt something I perticularly like watching. But since it only comes up with the right choice of words, it doesnt matter. Now if you had no choice but to watch hardcore gayporn, than I would not have bought this game.

Silly thing is, lots of conservatives play females and romance Allistair (or Z) and don't find that a problem.

[GhundiPI]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.

I hope I'm not the only one who finds this somewhat disturbing pedagogical behaviour. Letting a child of that age  watch people kill each other and chopping off heads in any form, entertainment or not, is pure irresponsible.

mathewgurney wrote...
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.

It would do you good to actually study history yourself, instead of getting your 'information' from movies and tv. You would be surprised on the differences you would find. But then again, actual history won't make much of a source for entertainment for most people these days...

mathewgurney wrote...
However Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.

I would be interested in your defenition of 'consumer activity' and how it would apply to 'gay sex'.

mathewgurney wrote...
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable
questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me
and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of
related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

Why not let her watch some porn movies then? It is not as if there actually is a meaningful difference between that and the sex shown in DA (except for the persistent underwear of course). Or are you talking about relationships? For which again DA would be a very poor example.

Modifié par GhundiPI, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:24 .

[dewarrennel]

My daughter is 11 years but I never let her see any violence at all. I either play late at night or press the esc key when she walks into the room. However at 11 she is aware of what gay/lesbian means and she watches the news on TV which has plenty of violence from around the world. I think the big thing is to keep it in context. Children should be aware that there is violence in the world and that being gay/straight/lesbian is ok but it should be handled in the right way. There is a grain of truth in what matthewgurney is saying but the video game is not the best mode of teaching.