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[addiction21]

kcp12 wrote...



ok? How is gay sex a "consumer" activity. What if your daughter turns out to be gay? Then it becomes very relevant and it teaches her about the diversity of human relationships. So its ok to teach her about the violent part of human (hardly pratical) but not the entire sexual part.

But it is not possible for her to turn out gay if you hide it from her and demonize it. It is better to repress these things and live a miserable life then to accept them and be happy, or did you all not get the memo?

[Ghandorian]

it is kind a sad that these people do not have enough RL experience to deal with it. I can see the joke thing working because thats what they do. But all the people who go OMGZ!!11!! Seriously what planet are they living on?

[DragonRageGT]

"All you need is love.. pa-para-rara!"



If she ever turns homosexual, there's a church in Brazil that claims to "cure" them... hitting with the bible in their head untill they're left unconcious or dead... but remember, everything you try may backfire... like interning her into a catholic nun's school for girls!



Me and my wife have lots of fun with her brother, a very distiguished "citizen" with lots of good humor and joy for life... if only my drunk and drug addict colleagues would have the same...

[Magaloo]

Ah not with the blame it all on the US. There is conservative people everywhere. It just derails thread and gets them locked.



WND says "two men are dirty, naked and kissing" Well not really naked but dirty?



Also any media mentioning Leliana offering dirty, naked, kissing lesbian sex?

[Frigid Leaf]

I like how they say it's secret. The first time I talked to Zevran on my male PC, he said in not so many words, "You're hot, want to have sex?"

[Zealuu]

Magaloo wrote...

Ah not with the blame it all on the US. There is conservative people everywhere.

So it is, but there's a larger concentration of them on your side of the Atlantic, and they always scream a lot louder than their less-colonial counterparts.

[RavenNightsight]

Jonfon_ire wrote...

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

You don't mind her watching violence rated M but you do mind her asking questions about gay people? Okay...

Even so you have to peruse Z if you want to bed him so I'm not sure what your point actually is. 

I remember my nephew when he was about 4 or 5 explaining to me what gay means. It's when a man loves another man as his boyfriend. My mum explained it to him like that and it seemed a perfectly reasonable explanation to him. Sex never came into it at all. When my daughter asks that's what I'm going to tell her too (she's only two at the mo).

I'm 22 with a 3 year old son and we let him watch us play. He even giggled when he saw my boyfriend's(24) character have sex with Morrigan, Leilana, and Zevran all in one go while hanging out at camp. We do not shelter our son from such things because, honestly, what's the point? It's everywhere. We won't let him out right watch sex scenes, but the sex scenes in Dragon Age are essentially tasteful nudity. I like them alot better than I liked the ones in Mass Effect. We don't mind if he sees the nudity, because, geez people, he sees himself naked everytime he takes a bath.
I have gay friends, both guy and girl alike. Are you saying (mathewgurney) that I shouldn't allow them around my child or that I should tell them to 'keep their gayness to themselves' and force them to be someone they're not? Being gay isn't a choice. It just happens. My son affectionately called my female gay friend 'aunt' and my male gay friend 'uncle'. Another gay guy friend wants my son to call him 'aunty' so he does. Doubted people give us strange looks when we're all hanging out in public, but forget them, what do they know? 
I realize that not everyone parents in the same way, that would be boring and stupid, and I'm not bashing how you parent, I just don't understand when people want to shelter their kids. My boyfriends Aunt has a 15 year old daughter that she won't let see any movie that over a PG-13 rating. So..that pretty much just leaves her with DIsney Movies. She won't let her watch the news (thinks it's too violent), play video games, or listen to music. Her son however, can do whatever he wants. In most cases, you're better off telling the kid yourself about hte world because I would personally prefer if he learned the truth from me than some mixed up version from friends/random kids at school.

[Ghandorian]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

Some times, honey, if a man loves another man or a woman loves another woman they find ways to express it besides just being friends.

sex is not just about making babies.

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

kcp12 wrote...



ok? How is gay sex a "consumer" activity. What if your daughter turns out to be gay? Then it becomes very relevant and it teaches her about the diversity of human relationships. So its ok to teach her about the violent part of human (hardly pratical) but not the entire sexual part.

But the Violent part is practical.  She might decide to serve her nation in the military or be a police officer in Baltimore or something. 

I don't see a problem with the sex or the violence.

[EvilIguana966]

Well I'm a conservative, a Christian, and a guy who is against gay marriage among other things, but the Zevran thing doesn't really bother me. This is a mature game that deals with adult issues. Children shouldn't be playing this game until they reach a certain maturity level where they aren't going to be surprised or affected greatly by the things they see.



Really, if there's anything to be bothered by it's the generally unserious view of sex in general by the game. Sex is not just good, clean, consequence-free fun. It has physical and emotional ramifications that most depictions in mass media don't properly discuss. The fact that you can bed any of the romance-able NPCs without repercussions is a bit cheesy, making it seem like the whole thing was kind of tacked on so the player could check off the "sex with hot babe" box next to the "kicked ass and saved the world" box.



Personally I thought Baldur's Gate II did the romances wonderfully. Only 2 out of 3 of the female romances could end in sex, and in both cases you end up facing serious ramifications. Aerie is young (by elven standards) and fragile, and ends up pregnant. Viconia is from a very different culture where sex is interlinked with power and domination, and the whole relationship is a roller-coaster ride of her starting to open up then pushing you away. Jaheira loses her husband a few minutes into the game, and your relationship with her never progresses to sex, but is very deep emotionally. I don't think the dragon age romances really rise to that same level of maturity, gay sex or no gay sex, and that is where I think legitimate criticism should be coming from.

[Aidunno]

Yet no-one mentions the fact that female characters can romance Leliana or am I wrong in that ?



My wife says, after seeing the clip on the telegraph.. yeah.. about time..

[EvilIguana966]

Well I'm a conservative, a Christian, and a guy who is against gay marriage among other things, but the Zevran thing doesn't really bother me.  This is a mature game that deals with adult issues.  Children shouldn't be playing this game until they reach a certain maturity level where they aren't going to be surprised or affected greatly by the things they see.  

Really, if there's anything to be bothered by it's the generally unserious view of sex in general by the game.  Sex is not just good, clean, consequence-free fun.  It has physical and emotional ramifications that most depictions in mass media don't properly discuss.  The fact that you can bed any of the romance-able NPCs without repercussions is a bit cheesy, making it seem like the whole thing was kind of tacked on so the player could check off the "sex with hot babe" box next to the "kicked ass and saved the world" box.  

Personally I thought Baldur's Gate II did the romances wonderfully.  Only 2 out of 3 of the female romances could end in sex, and in both cases you end up facing serious ramifications.  Aerie is young (by elven standards) and fragile, and ends up pregnant.  Viconia is from a very different culture where sex is interlinked with power and domination, and the whole relationship is a roller-coaster ride of her starting to open up then pushing you away.  Jaheira loses her husband a few minutes into the game, and your relationship with her never progresses to sex, but is very deep emotionally.  I don't think the dragon age romances really rise to that same level of maturity, gay sex or no gay sex, and that is where I think legitimate criticism should be coming from.

[menasure]

Badpie wrote...

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

This is the kind of point of view I will never understand.  It' s okay for your 5-year old to witness horrible acts of violence because there's violence in the world, but not okay for her to see gay sex....because there's no gay sex in the world?

no, because they think sexual acts in game can actually influence children and it would affect their own social lives as well if it did one way or another. just children talking about (****** or hetero) sexuality would be seen as harmfull in social contexts while violent acts are seen as a more implausible outcome (or at least hopefully in the region where you live).

the simple truth is that both your attitude towards violence and your sexual preference have a genetic component but somewhere along the line humans percieved themselves to be "above" their biological nature and this very nature became something to be socially feared when it leads to acts which deviate from the "normal" majority in a society context.
other than that we do live in a time of std and teenage pregnancies because portrayed sexuality only stresses the pleasant parts about this sexuality. do not expect a news item to be any different than the porn industry though: sex sells because people buy it lol, with or without those people admitting it.

[SheffSteel]

Some interesting opinions here

Personally I think that responsible parenting involves explaining things truthfully to kids, and I think that saying sex is about reproduction is a dangerous oversimplification and in no way prepares them for real life. Even if there were no such thing as homosexuality, it'd still be a cop-out.

[Ghandorian]

SheffSteel wrote...

Some interesting opinions here

Personally I think that responsible parenting involves explaining things truthfully to kids, and I think that saying sex is about reproduction is a dangerous oversimplification and in no way prepares them for real life. Even if there were no such thing as homosexuality, it'd still be a cop-out.

yea I have to admit that as social tolerance for homosexuality in my culture changed, so did my views on it. But with respect to reproduction. There is just too many examples of what we consider homosexual activity in other animals for it to be a deviant human behavior associated with evil social manipulation or other silly stuff.

[MartinJHolm]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

*SIGH*

Let me take a wild guess and assume you're American?

[Aidunno]

There is just too many examples of what we consider homosexual activity in other animals for it to be a deviant human behavior associated with evil social manipulation or other silly stuff.

To quote the wiki on animal behaviour..

".. To turn the approach on its head: No species has been found in which
homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of
species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis.
Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly
bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue..."

That doesn't mean I want my 6 year old daughter seeing it but then I do not let her watch the violence either. Out of the two I would prefer her to see the sex scenes (not that you see anything) as I would hope that she comes across the possibility in a loving relationship much later in life. Violence on the other hand is something I do not want her to have true life contact with.

Ratings are there for a reason. I don't let my child watch if I watch an 18 movie (6 year old watching SAW anyone?). Same thing applies. Yes it can limit when/where I can play. That's the price you pay for being a parent and having responsibilities.

[Aidunno]

Double post.. sorry

Modifié par Aidunno, 03 décembre 2009 - 05:10 .

[Kimberly Shaw]

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

You think she's going to encounter the violence depicted in this game in reality???????? You think that's MORE likely than your 5 year old girl ever experimenting with another girl?  Do you live in Rawanda or something?

Wow.  Just wow.  I think a fairly large percentage of the population "experiments" either in high school or college, certainly a larger perecentage of the population of 1st world western countries are going to see people being beheaded, stabbed/murdered/violently killed (in person anyway).  Your thinking that gay sex has no 'relevant application to a situation in her later life" is pretty ignorant.

Your reasons for saying its okay for her to see straight sex but not gay sex are specious at best, bigotry at worst.
I agree with your right to be a bigot, but just admit that you are. Don't try to hide it.

[menasure]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

mathewgurney wrote...

I'm 29, my 5 year-old daughter watches me play this game.
I have absolutely no problem with her seeing the violence, in fact i see it as a positive thing for her to understand.
The world is violent and contains horrors worse than any she could see depicted in a video game, seeing it in a mild animated form now will only help her deal with it better should she ever encounter such things in reality.
Also man's problems throughout history have nearly always been solved conclusively with violence such as depicted in the game, having an understanding of such things makes her stronger.
However
Gay sex is not something i want her seeing, it's a non-productive "consumer" activity with no relevant application to a situation in her later life other than a basic way of understanding others motivations or seeking some transitory pleasure of her own.
The straight sex scenes if she were to see any and the inevitable questions she'd ask would lead to a useful discussion for her with me and her mother on reproduction, human evolution and a huge amount of related subjects geographical, medical, anthropological etc.

You think she's going to encounter the violence depicted in this game in reality???????? You think that's MORE likely than your 5 year old girl ever experimenting with another girl?  Do you live in Rawanda or something?

Wow.  Just wow.  I think a fairly large percentage of the population "experiments" either in high school or college, certainly a larger perecentage of the population of 1st world western countries are going to see people being beheaded, stabbed/murdered/violently killed (in person anyway).  Your thinking that gay sex has no 'relevant application to a situation in her later life" is pretty ignorant.

Your reasons for saying its okay for her to see straight sex but not gay sex are specious at best, bigotry at worst.
I agree with your right to be a bigot, but just admit that you are. Don't try to hide it.

actually he is not hiding anything because he posted what he had to say, just like you did.

[MartinJHolm]

^ that respones made no sense at all.

[Verraxe]

I honestly don't see what the big deal about it is. There have been many historical figures that had incredible influences on the world that were gay. Alexander the Great, Richard the Lion-Hearted. Achilles.. there were many members of the Roman Legions that had male lovers. The Spartans even had entire groups made up of lovers because they believed that you would fight harder to protect your lover.

It's something that has been around since the dawn of mankind, as another poster said, even animals do it.

Just because an ancient made up religion says it's wrong does that mean that it is in fact wrong? It's time to get out of the dark ages.

Am I gay? No, I'm a happily married het man. I have gay friends and they are people just like anyone else. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should try and "shelter" their kids from that lifestyle.

Personally, I feel that the violence would be a much better thing to protect your children from.

Modifié par Verraxe, 04 décembre 2009 - 03:22 .

[pokemaughan]

Death isn't controversial, especially in a video game; natural course of life throughout history.



Men impaling eachother with their penises is controversial, however; and isn't natural.

[Ickabod27]

Better question is why do every single tv show on tv nowadays have to have a gay character?  But it's not ok in a video game.

Time to take my "I don't give a **** pills"  If only the rest of society would take a note and do the same.