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[Ironhandjustice]

Arthorius wrote...

Mims wrote...

Wouldn't most god fearing Shepards see AI child god as extremely dangerous? Think about it. Someone is asking Shepard to rewrite 'God's' creation in synthesis. For most religiously minded people, that would be a big hell no.

Unless you worship techno gods, or something. Deism?

All glory to the Omnissiah! 

Toll the Great Bell Once!Pull the Lever forward to engage thePiston and Pump...Toll the Great Bell Twice!With push of Button fire the EngineAnd spark Turbine into life...Toll the Great Bell Thrice!Sing Praise to theGod of All Machines

"oh mighty missile, fly straigth and true, seek
the heart of our enemy and bear him this message: Eat atomic fire and
die... traitor bastards!"




adeptus mechanicus, liturgy of firing.

[Xandurpein]

Luzarius wrote...

Do you really want to know? It took me seven years of my life to understand such a thing. If you really want to know I will try my hardest to explain.

I believe that you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else. Obviously you feel that your previous experiences makes you capable of seeing something the rest of us can't. Even if you are correct, and that "understanding" is something more than just your subjective interpretation, I think the vast majority of players, me included, would much prefer an ending that didn't require seven years of study to understand.

Peace

[Luzarius]

Oakenshield1 wrote...

If your Shep believes in God, then he's going to hell.

Because my shep believes in the sacrifices made by the past? All those dead civizlizations....... All those dead civilizations lost to the reapers corruption...

But finally the crucible shows the reapers the light.

Please tell me you understand this.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[EricHVela]

I played my Shepard as a person that follows a spiritual belief like Ashley did. (I'll have to make a saved game where she survived, but she's just so annoying.)

The ending still made no sense to him.

Faith doesn't make a person blind. Faith doesn't force a person to accept things without some doubt or challenge. Faith is not immalleable.

Blind Faith is a different matter altogether -- something common to cults and extremists. My Shepard's not stupid. The ending was. Perhaps only cults and extremists can accept the endings as they are at face value. I don't know. I cannot roleplay that kind of person.

[Valraine]

Err, religious discussions on this forum are against the rules?

[Deventh]

My Shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate/don't understand the ending?

Modifié par Deventh, 04 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[Luzarius]

Xandurpein wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Do you really want to know? It took me seven years of my life to understand such a thing. If you really want to know I will try my hardest to explain.

I believe that you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else. Obviously you feel that your previous experiences makes you capable of seeing something the rest of us can't. Even if you are correct, and that "understanding" is something more than just your subjective interpretation, I think the vast majority of players, me included, would much prefer an ending that didn't require seven years of study to understand.

Peace

You too are entitled to your opinion.

I believe that as a whole we are no match for every entity united in the past.  All those species united together to provide us with the crucible? They are superior, we are not.

That is my belief.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[Capeo]

Using God to troll? Brilliant! This atheist finds that quite brilliant.

[EricHVela]

Valraine wrote...

Err, religious discussions on this forum are against the rules?

Dunno. It's all in-game roleplay and story-based. At least, it is for me.

Mention it to the mods and let them decide.

[Swisspease]

Good to see you again Luz. I see this debate has started again

I follow the one, true God. The Flying Spaghetti Monster
May you all be touched by his noodley appendage

Ramen

[Oakenshield1]

Luzarius wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

Starchild is an out of control AI - doesn't make it a god. Whether or not I believe in God does not change the fact the ending was poorly written.

No, No, No.

Instead of making some type of egotistical response. I'd rather wait to see how you respond in ten to twenty years. ....

I'll wait, you're worth it.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

I think I've figured youout. You support the whole Created rebelling against their creators thing because you believe in Sin. The only problem is that God punishes the created, not himself. Doesn't go with the ME 3 logic. Also, Shep cannot play a "Jesus" role as Shep is clearly not perfect and cannot resurect himself.

[Ironhandjustice]

Valraine wrote...

Err, religious discussions on this forum are against the rules?

I'm afraid at this point, we only can beg God to help us with the endings...

-_-U

[pharsti]

Your assumption that someone needs to believe in god to understand the ending is really wrong.

Understanding =\\= Good

Unless that is.... in your case.... god just came outta somewhere and sorted out all the plotholes, in that case.... then yes, your understanding is better than the rest of us, otherwise, you just understood as much as everyone else.

[Sgt Stryker]

Deventh wrote...

My Shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate/don't understand the ending?

Haven't you heard? Atheists hate everything. 

[Luzarius]

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

[Pee Jae]

I understood it. I just keep falling in these plotholes.

[Relwyn]

Laurencio wrote...

Starchild is God now?

Well they make equal amount of sense. 

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

 

Lol? What?

Modifié par Relwyn, 04 avril 2012 - 01:09 .

[Flextt]

I defeated Saren and hence killed Sovereign
I came back from the Omega 4 Relay
I cured the genophage
I saved Palaven
I made peace between the Geth and the Quarians
I allocated a fleet which can challenge the Reapers

My Shepard does not need God and neither do I. But we need an ending that does not rely on belief in a deity to make sense.

[Arthorius]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Arthorius wrote...

Mims wrote...

Wouldn't most god fearing Shepards see AI child god as extremely dangerous? Think about it. Someone is asking Shepard to rewrite 'God's' creation in synthesis. For most religiously minded people, that would be a big hell no.

Unless you worship techno gods, or something. Deism?

All glory to the Omnissiah! 

Toll the Great Bell Once!Pull the Lever forward to engage thePiston and Pump...Toll the Great Bell Twice!With push of Button fire the EngineAnd spark Turbine into life...Toll the Great Bell Thrice!Sing Praise to theGod of All Machines

"oh mighty missile, fly straigth and true, seek
the heart of our enemy and bear him this message: Eat atomic fire and
die... traitor bastards!"




adeptus mechanicus, liturgy of firing.

Gotta love these cogheads ^^

[Niostang]

Just came in here to tell you I haven't stopped laughing since I read this thread's title 5 minutes ago.
Whups and I started up again. RENEWED HYSTERICS.

[Catroi]

Good for you,
now I'm an atheist and the ending doesn't make any sence for me, should I go to the church/mosque/synagogue/temple and ask a priest/imaam/rabbi/monk about his view on the ending?
Also ME1 codex states that monotheist religions were on the brink of extintion on Earth because of their inability to explain the existence of other alien sentient species and during your conversations with Ashley it's pretty much stated that Shepard is atheist (I don't quite remember if you can tell her that you're religious too though).

Anyway that's great that your beliefs helped you understand the ending but if the ending needs to be explained through esoterism and not through logic then It means it's a broken ending...

[Sgt Stryker]

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

If Bioware taught me anything with that ending, it's that I should avoid future Bioware games.

[Capeo]

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Yes, BW is trying to teach us that they have read the Foundation series and played Deus Ex.  Lesson learned.

[Mnementh2230]

If understanding the ending requires belief in a god, then the ending is even more idiotic than I imagined.

[xxLDZxx]

Okey according to this post, we should every time we encounter a plot hole and no logic answer this with "God wills it"?