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Luzarius wrote...

******       I understand the ME3 ending because my Shepard believes in God   ******

1 - Is this a good or bad thing? I hope over 60,000+ players respond to this thread with their honest & genuine conclusion.

2 - I roleplayed my Shepard in a unique view, therefore I understood the ME3 ending. Does that make me a monster or a saint?

3 - Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. But did I understand everything else? YES, to the highest degree. I've only seen the ending two times.

4 - Luzarius
"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

1 - You state your opinion which is yours entirely, and ask others to judge if it is "good or bad";

2 - Your assumption that having "roleplayed" your Shepard in a unique way made you understand the ending cannot be verified, if you did not play it otherwise, and we cannot give an opinion regarding Shepard's value in regard of the fact that you understand the ending or not;

3 - You are depicting, unless I'm mistaken, the attitude of people who claim to like the endings with no justification from the info in-game, that rather fill-in the gaps with speculation;

4 - You are mocking people who liked / understood the endings by comparing their opinion to spiritual beliefs, implying someone who believes in God is stupid, or gullible.

[Valraine]

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Yeah, this obviously became a religious discussion now... InB4Lock.

"
You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past " Atheists are racist now? I didn't really understand that segment. 

[Dark_Caduceus]

Luzarius wrote...

Is this a good or bad thing? I hope over 60,000+ players respond to this thread with their honest & genuine conclusion.

I roleplayed my Shepard in a unique view, therefore I understood the ME3 ending. Does that make me a monster or a saint?

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. But did I understand everything else? YES, to the highest degree. I've only seen the ending two times.


Luzarius
"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

What does a belief in God have to do with the ending? Pretty much every Shepard believes in God given comments about Modin's death like "I'm sure he's putting in a good word for us, wherever he is". Even though you could specify the degree to which your shepard character was religious in Mass Effect 1.

[Capeo]

xxLDZxx wrote...

Okey according to this post, we should every time we encounter a plot hole and no logic answer this with "God wills it"?

Well, the God of Gaps logical fallacy is only one of the host the game creates so... sure... I guess?

[Trishot]

I won't be drawn into a religious debate, I just think religion is all bulls**t.

That being said, I understand the ending well enough even without believing in fairy tales.

[Rhyth]

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Talking about Pride & Ego. Let's go back to your other post where you presumed I was part of the majority that controlls the internet and I am a common gamer. Let's also remind everyone about how you believed that it would recieve +60,000 views.

I hope this thread gets locked.

Modifié par Rhyth, 04 avril 2012 - 01:13 .

[cutegigi]

eh???
i tot shephard is space jesus ??

[Ironhandjustice]

Trishot wrote...

I won't be drawn into a religious debate, I just think religion is all bulls**t.

That being said, I understand the ending well enough even without believing in fairy tales.

Please be polite, not every religious person is a stonehead. Thanks.

[Luzarius]

Mnementh2230 wrote...

If understanding the ending requires belief in a god, then the ending is even more idiotic than I imagined.

Just wait until I play a character who doesn't believe in God. It will take me 6-8 months but I will understand your point of view, even if it drives me insane.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[JesseLee202]

hanshotfirs wrote...

My Shepard believes in God. I believe in God. I get the ending (as far as my interpretation of it goes) but that doesn't mean it was any good.

[Peranor]

Rudimentary creatures of blood, and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own.
You cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I, am Luzarius.

[Catroi]

Capeo wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Yes, BW is trying to teach us that they have read the Foundation series and played Deus Ex.  Lesson learned.

Please don't talk about Foundation, it's an heresy to even remotely link that masterpiece to the pile of BS, the mass effect universe has become

here is a quote from the Emperor of science fiction, mister Asimov, himself:

• I made up my mind long ago to follow one cardinal rule in all my writing — to be clear.
  I have given up all thought of writing poetically or symbolically or
  experimentally, or in any of the other modes that might (if I were good
  enough) get me a Pulitzer prize. I would write merely clearly and in
  this way establish a warm relationship between myself and my readers,
  and the professional critics — Well, they can do whatever they wish.

[zzcoreyzz]

OP is a known troll, and a tasteless one at that.

Please do not feed him.

[Trishot]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Trishot wrote...

I won't be drawn into a religious debate, I just think religion is all bulls**t.

That being said, I understand the ending well enough even without believing in fairy tales.

Please be polite, not every religious person is a stonehead. Thanks.

Never did I say they are. I have quite a lot of friends who hold various religious beliefs. I accept that they belief it, they accept I find it silly. I don't bother reasoning with them, they don't bother converting me. 

[Liraelx]

I have no religious views and I understood catalyst stuff, it was what happened after (and what didn't happen) that opened up a giant plot hole that swallowed the entire series for me.

[Alchemist4]

OP edit your post and explain why you believing in GOD helps you understand the ending. We need details cause we're not mind readers.

[Luzarius]

zzcoreyzz wrote...

OP is a known troll, and a tasteless one at that.

Please do not feed him.

You responded to this thread, therefore I am entitled to take a bite out of your leg.

Mmmmm, delicious.

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[Qutayba]

There are certainly theological dimensions to the ending. But one of the reasons I think it is so bleak is that the cosmos (or God, or whatever) is presented as only caring about universals (about Life itself on the grandest scale) but not about specific individuals. It is a clockmaker devoid of compassion. If Shepard believes in God, that is not the God Shepard believes in.

[Ironhandjustice]

Catroi wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Yes, BW is trying to teach us that they have read the Foundation series and played Deus Ex.  Lesson learned.

Please don't talk about Foundation, it's an heresy to even remotely link that masterpiece to the pile of BS, the mass effect universe has become

here is a quote from the Emperor of science fiction, mister Asimov, himself:

• I made up my mind long ago to follow one cardinal rule in all my writing — to be clear.
  I have given up all thought of writing poetically or symbolically or
  experimentally, or in any of the other modes that might (if I were good
  enough) get me a Pulitzer prize. I would write merely clearly and in
  this way establish a warm relationship between myself and my readers,
  and the professional critics — Well, they can do whatever they wish.

[*]Venerate the Inmortal Emperor Asimov...

[Ironhandjustice]

Trishot wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Trishot wrote...

I won't be drawn into a religious debate, I just think religion is all bulls**t.

That being said, I understand the ending well enough even without believing in fairy tales.

Please be polite, not every religious person is a stonehead. Thanks.

Never did I say they are. I have quite a lot of friends who hold various religious beliefs. I accept that they belief it, they accept I find it silly. I don't bother reasoning with them, they don't bother converting me. 

Fine

That was a preventive post.

[Swisspease]

I admit the end had me praying.

Praying to the Porcelain God.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Swisspease wrote...

I admit the end had me praying.

Praying to the Porcelain God.

What a diss... a diss from the abyss.

[Capeo]

Catroi wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Yes, BW is trying to teach us that they have read the Foundation series and played Deus Ex.  Lesson learned.

Please don't talk about Foundation, it's an heresy to even remotely link that masterpiece to the pile of BS, the mass effect universe has become

here is a quote from the Emperor of science fiction, mister Asimov, himself:

• I made up my mind long ago to follow one cardinal rule in all my writing — to be clear.
  I have given up all thought of writing poetically or symbolically or
  experimentally, or in any of the other modes that might (if I were good
  enough) get me a Pulitzer prize. I would write merely clearly and in
  this way establish a warm relationship between myself and my readers,
  and the professional critics — Well, they can do whatever they wish.

My apologies.  I didn't intend to imply ME3 was even remotely on par with Asimov's work... or even Deus Ex for that matter 

[Iconoclaste]

OP - You are mocking people who liked / understood the endings by comparing their opinion to spiritual beliefs, implying someone who believes in God is stupid, or gullible.

Trolling !

[Kilshrek]

Luzarius wrote...

I'll make a promise to you.  I will understand the mind of someone who believes in synthesis. I will desperately try to understand. I'll need your help. Please help me understand. This is a genuine request.

I didn't believe in any of the options, and only Destroy remotely made any sort of sense. But even the cost of that was too high to Shepard, but she didn't have the chance to refuse it.

Synthesis is the ultimate evil, it is fascism on an unfathomable scale. It stands against everything Shepard was fighting for in the first place, and I don't see how people find it such an appealing option.

Control is ridiculous, because how long can a mortal mind stand against immortal machine intelligence? One cycle, two? Before Shepard's mind is consumed and the harvesting begins again.

So, none of the options were remotely viable to my Shepard. But she couldn't say no, because Bioware said so.