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[spacehamsterZH]

Yeah, well, religious scripture generally doesn't have a great track record for logical consistency and, y'know, absence of, uhm, plot holes. So... sure, makes sense.

[luchozuca]

Understanding the ending is is a different thing than liking it.
That being said, i do not profess any religion and i found no problem understanding the ending, there's not much to it the way it is presented to you anyways, the Starchild introduces you to his
while (1)
{send synthetics to kill organics before they make synthetics that kill organics;}
logic and then presents you with option A, B or C where you choose how to color the moment you undo everything you fought for during the previous two games.

Modifié par luchozuca, 04 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[d-boy15]

I understand what reference of starchild, ending still su_k.

seriously, I'm not christian but in my opinion they did a poor job if they intend to refer
that vent kid as a god.

Modifié par d-boy15, 04 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[BigEvil]

xxLDZxx wrote...

Okey according to this post, we should every time we encounter a plot hole and no logic answer this with "God wills it"?

No, according to this topic we should remember that Luzarius is and always has been a troll.

[Iconoclaste]

Luzarius wrote...

"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

This is mockery.

[spirosz]

leonia42 wrote...

What.

[Iconoclaste]

BigEvil wrote...

No, according to this topic we should remember that Luzarius is and always has been a troll.

Sure. But is he a "good Troll" or a "bad Troll"?

[WE_Belisarius]

I believe in communism and the synthesis ending make perfectly sense. If we are all equal there will be forever peace, joy and pancakes.
Wait.. or was the red explosion the right ending? All proletarian organics should unit and kill all bourgeoisie synthetics?

Modifié par WE_Belisarius, 04 avril 2012 - 01:34 .

[TakedaMauro]

anorling wrote...

Rudimentary creatures of blood, and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.

There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own.
You cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I, am Luzarius.

hahaha, brilliant!

[Slayer299]

Luzarius wrote...

Is this a good or bad thing? I hope over 60,000+ players respond to this thread with their honest & genuine conclusion.

I roleplayed my Shepard in a unique view, therefore I understood the ME3 ending. Does that make me a monster or a saint?

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. But did I understand everything else? YES, to the highest degree. I've only seen the ending two times.


Luzarius
"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

What does your belief in God have to do with the price of tea in China (or in this case ending of ME3?) Either the ending is understandable or its not, God has very little to do with the creation, writing and execution of ME3's ending.

[Mnementh2230]

Luzarius wrote...

Deventh wrote...

My shepard is Atheist does that mean i hate the ending?

Yes, because you are rooted in pride & ego, please do not hate me for saying this.

You truly believed that a galactic effort could destroy the reapers after all the  proof presented to you otherwise.

You believed in your pride & ego instead of trusting the extinct civilizations of the past.

Bioware is trying to teach you something instead of giving you a happy ending you think you deserve.

Luzarius

Bull****.  This isn't pride or ego - that's a typically idiotic theistic claim from someone who believes he was made in the image of an allmighty god.  THAT is ego.  THAT is pride.  Above all else, a theist accusing an atheist of pride while at the same time believing he's a special creation of a god, made in that god's image, and that the whole universe was put in place specifically for him - THAT is hypocrisy.

Further, why would you trust the extinct species of the past?  They're DEAD.  They obvioiusly didn't get it right.  That doesn't mean the fight isn't worth fighting.  Shepard has been a trailblazer throughout the series.  To suddenly break from that to "just trust it" is terrible writing.  It breaks with the established theme of the games.

I don't buy the "lesson" argument either.  Bioware makes GAMES.  Entertainment.  Then we suddenly get this supposedly "victorious and uplifting" ending, that is neither victorious nor uplifting:  it's insulting.  It breaks from the established Sci Fi and jumps straight to pure fantasy, without giving us any reason to go along with the writers.  To quote Isaac Asimov on the subject, "It is insulting to the intelligent reader."

No, what we have here is a clear case of someone who doesn't understand what the Mass Effect series has always been about:

• making hard choices, and having those choices MATTER in the end
• saving the galaxy
• the power of teamwork
• the burdens of command
• defiance in the face of impossible odds

[Zeju]

I'm Christian.

I still don't have a freaking clue what happened. Not even God knows what happened in that ridiculous 5 minutes.

[LittleTito]

@ OP.

I think you're putting too much thought into it.  I don't think Bioware was trying to evanglize.

[BigEvil]

Iconoclaste wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

No, according to this topic we should remember that Luzarius is and always has been a troll.

Sure. But is he a "good Troll" or a "bad Troll"?

He's certainly a bad troll because he seems to have no understanding of humour.

[Blue Liara]

I believe in God. But I don't believe in the ending to ME3

[Mallissin]

The old "I understand everything because I'm special" excuse.

We have dismissed those claims.

[wryterra]

Luzarius wrote...
I understand the ME3 ending

Luzarius wrote...

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. 

Sorry, can't resolve these two statements successfully. 

[Oakenshield1]

What God are we talking about here? Christian God? Muslim god? Buddha? World Soul?

[Iconoclaste]

BigEvil wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

No, according to this topic we should remember that Luzarius is and always has been a troll.

Sure. But is he a "good Troll" or a "bad Troll"?

He's certainly a bad troll because he seems to have no understanding of humour.

I do not think this thread would be seen so funny if instead of "religion", Luzarius had written that he understands the endings because of his "cultural origin".

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 04 avril 2012 - 01:40 .

[LTKerr]

I'm sorry.... what?! I don't believe in God, Gods, auras, unicorns or whatever people want to call them so therefore I don't try to find divine explanations for ME3 endings. Those endings are poor, bad and if they need that sort of explanation then they are insulting as well. At least in Battlestar Galactica there are hints from the very first episode that there's some kind of higher power. In ME3? Nope, not at all, you can't see that coming.

[Kilshrek]

Oakenshield1 wrote...

 Buddha? World Soul?

Buddha isn't a god as such. Nor is Buddhism a religion so much as it is a teaching, a sort of... code to live by.

Don't know anything about World Soul.

[Homey C-Dawg]

What does believing in god have to do with it? Is the indication here that being religious allows the belief of things that are nonsensical?

oh, right.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 04 avril 2012 - 01:41 .

[Iconoclaste]

wryterra wrote...

Luzarius wrote...
I understand the ME3 ending

Luzarius wrote...

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. 

Sorry, can't resolve these two statements successfully.

"Leap of Faith".

Trolls ARE mystical creatures, after all.

[Aurvant]

The Catalyst is not a deity.

Although it's apparent that he's an AI, there isn't any evidence that he is "out of control". For all we know, the Catalyst was created to be an idiotic, genocidal maniac. This is the only explanation for the completely circular and moronic logic that it attempts to use to "save organic species".

Face it. There is nothing to gain from the ending but a mess of jumbled scenes tossed together to give the impression of a "bay ending". Lots of colors, explosions, and whatnot. It's an insult to the series and the only way to fix it is to remove the Catalyst and its stupid role in the game.

[Mnementh2230]

Luzarius wrote...

Oakenshield1 wrote...

If your Shep believes in God, then he's going to hell.

Because my shep believes in the sacrifices made by the past? All those dead civizlizations....... All those dead civilizations lost to the reapers corruption...

But finally the crucible shows the reapers the light.

Please tell me you understand this.

This has nothing to do with "showing the reapers the light".  It's lazy writing.