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[_Arkayne_]

Mavaras wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

_Arkayne_ wrote...

How do people not realise that Science-Fiction,especially Mass Effect, directly contradicts religion.
The idea of the cycle requires evolution, therefore, no god.

Evolution and belief in a deity are not mutually exclusive.

Good example are the Qontinuum from Star Trek; attaining god like powers through evolution.

I'm refering to creationism really.It disproves a god as a creator.

[frylock23]

Luzarius wrote...

Is this a good or bad thing? I hope over 60,000+ players respond to this thread with their honest & genuine conclusion.

I roleplayed my Shepard in a unique view, therefore I understood the ME3 ending. Does that make me a monster or a saint?

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. But did I understand everything else? YES, to the highest degree. I've only seen the ending two times.


Luzarius
"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

OK, I'm not sure I get your reasoning here.

I happen to believe in God, so by default my Sheps would too, and nothing about the Starchild was in any way God related to me.

[Nette]

Kilshrek wrote...

Well good for you, my Shepard doesn't believe in any god, not after what she's seen. There are only men and monsters out there.

And she didn't believe in the utter bollocks that Starchild pushed on her, but unlike Bioware and the cupcakes, she didn't have the option to refuse. (the cupcakes)

+1

[Captain Arty]

Visserian99 wrote...

I don't believe in God at all, but I understand the ending completely. Doesn't mean the ending makes any sense.

This. The first response in the thread. It isn't that we don't understand. It's that we do understand it, and can demonstrate why it is broken. See the link in my sig.

[NReed106]

I see no connection between Starchild, an AI, and God in the ME universe

[pablosplinter]

Never stop posting Luzarius

[Mavaras]

_Arkayne_ wrote...
I'm refering to creationism really.It disproves a god as a creator.

What is wierd about a being like Q is he can change universal laws. It would be interesting for a being--through evolution--to obtain a power that allows him to create like a god.

I get what you mean though; "what is" at least wasn't created by a god, unless a being that evolved into a god, was able to effect the past from the present using somekind of  transcendental witchcraft that violated our knowledge of time and cause and effect.

Modifié par Mavaras, 04 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[BadlyBrowned]

No you guys missed it.

Star Brat is possessed with the soul of the Old Gods. He is the son of ..... /glasses... Morrigan

[ArcanistLibram]

Luzarius wrote...

Is this a good or bad thing? I hope over 60,000+ players respond to this thread with their honest & genuine conclusion.

I roleplayed my Shepard in a unique view, therefore I understood the ME3 ending. Does that make me a monster or a saint?

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. But did I understand everything else? YES, to the highest degree. I've only seen the ending two times.


Luzarius
"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

Yeah, I was there for that. Truly, it was an epic battle.

Quite frankly, I think you got unbelievably luckjy by coming up with the one character concept where the ending actually makes sense. It's like the stars aligned and Cthulhu awoke from his slumber.

I played a Shepard who supported the galactic community and galactic unity in all three games. The ending was just a series of kicks to the balls for me. The created always turn on their creator? Empirically false. The quarians turned on the geth and by the end of the game, I'd already made peace between them. The Destroy ending is a genocide of the allies who fought beside me, the Control ending is the Illusive Man's idea and the Synthesis ending is some kind of messed up eugenics on a galactic scale. No mass relays means no galactic community, so no matter what ending I went with, everything my Shepard accomplished during the previous games is invalidated.

There was no possibility of victory. Only various degrees of failure.

[Kilshrek]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

No you guys missed it.

Star Brat is possessed with the soul of the Old Gods. He is the son of ..... /glasses... Morrigan

And here I thought you were about to mention an actual old god.

[Henioo]

Successful troll is successful.

7 pages of feeding and counting.

[rma2110]

I believe in God, and I don't see how it has anything to do with the Catslyst. I thought the Caralyst was created by a secular culture. They reached the depth of space and found .... Nothing. No divine creator just a bunch of nothing. They ended up being wiped out by their own technology.

[Luzarius]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

Luzarius wrote...

Is this a good or bad thing? I hope over 60,000+ players respond to this thread with their honest & genuine conclusion.

I roleplayed my Shepard in a unique view, therefore I understood the ME3 ending. Does that make me a monster or a saint?

Did I understand why the normandy crashed? No. Did I understand how shep got back down to the surface of earth? No. But did I understand everything else? YES, to the highest degree. I've only seen the ending two times.


Luzarius
"yes, yes no link ...  I want your truth"

Yeah, I was there for that. Truly, it was an epic battle.

Quite frankly, I think you got unbelievably luckjy by coming up with the one character concept where the ending actually makes sense. It's like the stars aligned and Cthulhu awoke from his slumber.

I played a Shepard who supported the galactic community and galactic unity in all three games. The ending was just a series of kicks to the balls for me. The created always turn on their creator? Empirically false. The quarians turned on the geth and by the end of the game, I'd already made peace between them. The Destroy ending is a genocide of the allies who fought beside me, the Control ending is the Illusive Man's idea and the Synthesis ending is some kind of messed up eugenics on a galactic scale. No mass relays means no galactic community, so no matter what ending I went with, everything my Shepard accomplished during the previous games is invalidated.

There was no possibility of victory. Only various degrees of failure.

Then I'm lucky man. I understand you man

There is a woman i know. She is bad ass and opinionated. She also said the same thing.

Maybe I got lucky with my RP ruleset?

Luzarius
www.twitch.tv/luzarius
"no death ruleset"

[JulienJaden]

Visserian99 wrote...

I don't believe in God at all, but I understand the ending completely. Doesn't mean the ending makes any sense.

Yes, again: I understand everything. But that only means that I understand on how many ways it's bad writing. A writer can leave things up to the imagination, and he doesn't need to write down everything. But if he wrote the story in English and then switches to a balderdash made up from Sanskrit and Chinese on the very last page, that doesn't make him revolutionary.

[ArcanistLibram]

rma2110 wrote...

I believe in God, and I don't see how it has anything to do with the Catslyst. I thought the Caralyst was created by a secular culture. They reached the depth of space and found .... Nothing. No divine creator just a bunch of nothing. They ended up being wiped out by their own technology.

The reasoning was that only God should create life. Organics who try to create synthetic life will always screw it up and be destroyed by their creations, so the Destroy ending is the best option.

Modifié par ArcanistLibram, 04 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[TheScott1987]

My character did too, which made the ending worse. He didn't want to believe in the Reaper Child because it was, in essence, playing God (choosing who lives and dies without letting people be people amdnmake their own mistakes, killing them in such a way they don't move on ie reaperification).

One question: How does an RP Shep who hates AI trust the AI in charge of all the deadliest AI that are wiping out all non-AI life?

Your RP character has to be veeery specific for the endings to make sense.

[kathic]

We have a genocidal madman who kills entire populations for convoluted reasons? Starchild really is God!

[DangerSandler]

How does this have any sort of relevance?

[Iconoclaste]

Mavaras wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

_Arkayne_ wrote...

How do people not realise that Science-Fiction,especially Mass Effect, directly contradicts religion.
The idea of the cycle requires evolution, therefore, no god.

Evolution and belief in a deity are not mutually exclusive.

Good example is the Qontinuum from Star Trek:TNG; attaining god like powers through evolution.

The concept of "God", just like the "Reapers", is that of something "beyond our comprehension". Lots have been discussed and argumented about God, because it relates to the origin / nature of the univers and everything (42). But the Reapers do not get so "high", they are merely the "creations" of an ancient species, that's why they do suffer from a logical analysis. And that's also why their pretense to be "beyond comprehension" doesn't stand. It is also a plea from the writers to accept their reasoning, even if flawed, for the sake of... gameplay? Speculation? Fun?

Whatever.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 04 avril 2012 - 02:35 .

[stysiaq]

So, now poor writing is somewhat connected to religion.

That's a shame, I find the Holy Bible quite well written, with the Gospels having some really catchy lines.

I presume OP tries to say, that if you say 'God' or 'Jesus Christ' or 'Allah' anytime a question or a hole in logic appears, you can accept utterly horrlible ending to a sci-fi video game. Could be the case, but no, thanks.

Also, if you call people blinded by pride and ego, because they're atheist, putting 'don't hate me for that' suffix doesn't make it less offensive.

[Siansonea]

Hmmm, well, the Judeo-Christian God, Yahweh, is evil and capricious, and routinely kills thousands of people for the most absurd of reasons. So yeah, in that context, Starbrat's logic makes a lot of sense. If only Catalyst had said that we were being killed for our "wickedness", it would be The Flood, Part II. And Reapers are...arks?

[Srau]

I played a Shepard that was always looking for the non spoken non conventional solution a la Captain Kirk and his Kobayashi Maru, a Shepard that was always fighting against the odds, heck she is the war hero that single handedly defended Elysuim until the Alliance fleet arrived !

But what i got is a tame individual that flattened herself in front of a space ghost kid pulled out of nowhere and that didn't even try to question him or its judgement and that just obeyed like a drone choosing R,G or B.

Because yes sprouting crap like "but we need hope" once and being satisfied with an empty of sens mono sentence answer is certainly not arguing and it is the antithesis of fighting the odds for me.

Modifié par Srau, 04 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[Mavaras]

Iconoclaste wrote...

The concept of "God", just like the "Reapers", is that of something "beyond our comprehension". Lots have been discussed and argumented about God, because it relates to the origin / nature of the univers and everything (42). But the Reapers do not get so "high", they are merely the "creations" of an ancient species, that's why they do suffer from a logical analysis. And that's also why their pretense to be "beyond comprehension" doesn't stand. It is also a plea from the writers to accept their reasoning, even if flawed, for the sake of... gameplay? Speculation? Fun?

Whatever.

I agree. I was just stating that the genre of SciFi is very relevent to the theme of god. It simply is. Thus the Star Trek reference; evolution and god themes CAN exist,not that they must in every SciFi.

Modifié par Mavaras, 04 avril 2012 - 03:38 .

[stysiaq]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hmmm, well, the Judeo-Christian God, Yahweh, is evil and capricious, and routinely kills thousands of people for the most absurd of reasons. So yeah, in that context, Starbrat's logic makes a lot of sense. If only Catalyst had said that we were being killed for our "wickedness", it would be The Flood, Part II. And Reapers are...arks?

Oh dear, you must learn to nitpick the good parts of the Bible! Like those where God actually doesn't commit genocide.

Actually I think that Shepard not questioning Catalyst and not expecting any explanation is someone that not-so-smart believers can relate to.