Synthetics killing everyone to save them from synethtics is one thing... but before they kill the galaxy, they give everyone the technology to build synthetics - everything is based on Reaper technology right? They want us to evolve the way they want us to.
It's damn stupid..... -.-
Reapers are saving us from synthetics but they give us the tech to build them...
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:40
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They also give systhecics a way to go around the galaxy and kill everything before they ftl in.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:46
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Yes, it is damn stupid. I've actually brought that point up in other threads. Given that there are so many equally or moreso stupid things created by ME3 that one usually doesn't get brought up though.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:47
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And destroy us before they present a problem. It's only an issue if they place a negative value on killing, which is quite clearly not the case.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:48
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It's stupid because we are told that the reapers are the solution to chaos yet they are the ones that cause it.
-They were responsible for the rachni wars (atleast thats what the queen says)
-Which led to the krogan rebellions
-Which led to the genophage
-The reapers made the geth hostile in ME1 also.
-They were responsible for the rachni wars (atleast thats what the queen says)
-Which led to the krogan rebellions
-Which led to the genophage
-The reapers made the geth hostile in ME1 also.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:05
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ShotyMcFat wrote...
It's stupid because we are told that the reapers are the solution to chaos yet they are the ones that cause it.
-They were responsible for the rachni wars (atleast thats what the queen says)
-Which led to the krogan rebellions
-Which led to the genophage
-The reapers made the geth hostile in ME1 also.
And in ME3 they used their signal to take control over the Geth to help them kill the quarians.... Rofl...
I dont get it...
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:07
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To summarize - they give us the technology to create synthetics so that they can kill us so synthetics we created using their own tech cannot.... ARRRRGHHHHHHHH
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:11
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The only way the whole synthetic vs organic thing would work for the ending, would be if it had been presented as a MAJOR theme throughout the series, AND IF we were shown that every single AI (ie- geth and EDI) were hostile towards organics because it was their 'logical' conclusion.
Instead, it is at best a significant sub theme, and we know that the geth only fought the quarians because the quarians were trying to kill them (self defence AND the geth chose to spare the fleeing quarians and isolate themselves), and the geth had only fought organics because of reaper influence, and without reaper influence they were open and willing to peace and co-operation.
Edi was basically completely friendly to organics (at least, she didnt try to kill the crew).
So, yeah, the whole synthetic vs organics thing doesnt work. that, or the catalysts logic is completely flawed and he doesnt know wtf he is talking about......which kind of beats the point of a deus ex machina i think
Instead, it is at best a significant sub theme, and we know that the geth only fought the quarians because the quarians were trying to kill them (self defence AND the geth chose to spare the fleeing quarians and isolate themselves), and the geth had only fought organics because of reaper influence, and without reaper influence they were open and willing to peace and co-operation.
Edi was basically completely friendly to organics (at least, she didnt try to kill the crew).
So, yeah, the whole synthetic vs organics thing doesnt work. that, or the catalysts logic is completely flawed and he doesnt know wtf he is talking about......which kind of beats the point of a deus ex machina i think
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:18
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sargon1986 wrote...
Synthetics killing everyone to save them from synethtics is one thing... but before they kill the galaxy, they give everyone the technology to build synthetics - everything is based on Reaper technology right? They want us to evolve the way they want us to.
It's damn stupid..... -.-
No the Reapers are saving the lower species from us, like they saved us from the Protheans. They believe that advanced organic civilisations will, chaotic by nature, wipe out all life in the galaxy, prompted by an inevitable war with synthetics.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:20
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It's a issue of double effect.
You first have to consider the fact that the reapers have to find organics. They use their trap to do so but it give them more advance tech.
You also, have to consider the fact that reaper tech is not need to make AI. Organic can make them on their our.
It's a case of results over means
You first have to consider the fact that the reapers have to find organics. They use their trap to do so but it give them more advance tech.
You also, have to consider the fact that reaper tech is not need to make AI. Organic can make them on their our.
It's a case of results over means
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:27
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If you really want to be that far thinking....Then if the reaper were that far thinking, the races as they are now and the past races my not of livved long enough to have an effect on the universe.ShotyMcFat wrote...
It's stupid because we are told that the reapers are the solution to chaos yet they are the ones that cause it.
-They were responsible for the rachni wars (atleast thats what the queen says)
-Which led to the krogan rebellions
-Which led to the genophage
-The reapers made the geth hostile in ME1 also.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:28
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It is a major theme of the series.iSkelzor wrote...
The only way the whole synthetic vs organic thing would work for the ending, would be if it had been presented as a MAJOR theme throughout the series, AND IF we were shown that every single AI (ie- geth and EDI) were hostile towards organics because it was their 'logical' conclusion.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:29
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It just makes it easier for the Reapers to harvest advanced organics. Advanced civilizations will naturally gravitate towards the leftover technology that so out-levels their own, making it easy for the Reapers to come in and slurp up organic slushie.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:33
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GiarcYekrub wrote...
sargon1986 wrote...
Synthetics killing everyone to save them from synethtics is one thing... but before they kill the galaxy, they give everyone the technology to build synthetics - everything is based on Reaper technology right? They want us to evolve the way they want us to.
It's damn stupid..... -.-
No the Reapers are saving the lower species from us, like they saved us from the Protheans. They believe that advanced organic civilisations will, chaotic by nature, wipe out all life in the galaxy, prompted by an inevitable war with synthetics.
I know that but why do the Reapers give us the technology to build them in the first place? DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE :S
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:34
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GiarcYekrub wrote...
sargon1986 wrote...
Synthetics killing everyone to save them from synethtics is one thing... but before they kill the galaxy, they give everyone the technology to build synthetics - everything is based on Reaper technology right? They want us to evolve the way they want us to.
It's damn stupid..... -.-
No the Reapers are saving the lower species from us, like they saved us from the Protheans. They believe that advanced organic civilisations will, chaotic by nature, wipe out all life in the galaxy, prompted by an inevitable war with synthetics.
But why create the Citadel and the Mass Relays or leave them intact ? Makes no sense they help us advance only to destroy us faster ?
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:37
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Serp86 wrote...
But why create the Citadel and the Mass Relays or leave them intact ? Makes no sense they help us advance only to destroy us faster ?
Exactly...
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:39
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sargon1986 wrote...
GiarcYekrub wrote...
sargon1986 wrote...
Synthetics killing everyone to save them from synethtics is one thing... but before they kill the galaxy, they give everyone the technology to build synthetics - everything is based on Reaper technology right? They want us to evolve the way they want us to.
It's damn stupid..... -.-
No the Reapers are saving the lower species from us, like they saved us from the Protheans. They believe that advanced organic civilisations will, chaotic by nature, wipe out all life in the galaxy, prompted by an inevitable war with synthetics.
I know that but why do the Reapers give us the technology to build them in the first place? DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE :S
But eventually we would have gotten there, even without the Reapers' guiding hand. The Reapers aren't trying to help organics out of the cycle, so if it comes around a little sooner with their technology, they don't care. So by providing organics with advanced tech (the relays and Citadel, specifically), the Reapers can assure that everyone is all grouped together neatly when they come to harvest.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:41
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Leaving behind their technology allows life to develop in a controlled environment. If the Reapers let everyone develop freely, synthetics would still be created eventually, so there is no point in doing that. They are better off leaving the mass relays and everything behind. This allows the Reapers to more easily exert their control on what they consider to be chaos.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:43
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Also, adding to my above point, it helps to separate the advanced cultures from those still evolving. If the organics within a system haven't advanced far enough to activate their relay, they can be ignored until the next cycle.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:43
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Didn't they say we progress down the path THEY desire...?
So the entire point is to FORCE organics to make synthetics that will kill us so the Reapers can wipe us out?
And the Catalyst was like "well see it's inevitable...organics ALWAYS do this."
WELL NO **** BECAUSE ITS YOUR FAULT. Stupid Catalyst.
So the entire point is to FORCE organics to make synthetics that will kill us so the Reapers can wipe us out?
And the Catalyst was like "well see it's inevitable...organics ALWAYS do this."
WELL NO **** BECAUSE ITS YOUR FAULT. Stupid Catalyst.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:44
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bryan12112 wrote...
Leaving behind their technology allows life to develop in a controlled environment. If the Reapers let everyone develop freely, synthetics would still be created eventually, so there is no point in doing that. They are better off leaving the mass relays and everything behind. This allows the Reapers to more easily exert their control on what they consider to be chaos.
This is a "lets bash the endings" tread, dont waste time with your "logic" here
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:45
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BurtieBee wrote...
sargon1986 wrote...
GiarcYekrub wrote...
sargon1986 wrote...
Synthetics killing everyone to save them from synethtics is one thing... but before they kill the galaxy, they give everyone the technology to build synthetics - everything is based on Reaper technology right? They want us to evolve the way they want us to.
It's damn stupid..... -.-
No the Reapers are saving the lower species from us, like they saved us from the Protheans. They believe that advanced organic civilisations will, chaotic by nature, wipe out all life in the galaxy, prompted by an inevitable war with synthetics.
I know that but why do the Reapers give us the technology to build them in the first place? DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE :S
But eventually we would have gotten there, even without the Reapers' guiding hand. The Reapers aren't trying to help organics out of the cycle, so if it comes around a little sooner with their technology, they don't care. So by providing organics with advanced tech (the relays and Citadel, specifically), the Reapers can assure that everyone is all grouped together neatly when they come to harvest.
But maybe if they wouldn't put out this technology in the first place they wouldn't need to harvest anyone in the first place . So they could stay in dark space and do things Reapers do in their downtime.
Look the Reapers logic is flawed and its pretty obvious to everyone even the devs. So that should've been used but it wasn't for whatever reason. What would make the most sense with the current idea of the Reapers is to put out some sort of backstory that the first Reapers are ancient out of controls AI's that went rogue and decided in their own faulty logic they are the keepers/watchers of the universe and this is how it should be done.
This is btw what i still believe which is why control and synthesis make no sense to me. I'm not leaving something that killed god-knows-illions of people intact or mix them with organic life. I'm not rewarding them ...
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:46
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tobito113 wrote...
bryan12112 wrote...
Leaving behind their technology allows life to develop in a controlled environment. If the Reapers let everyone develop freely, synthetics would still be created eventually, so there is no point in doing that. They are better off leaving the mass relays and everything behind. This allows the Reapers to more easily exert their control on what they consider to be chaos.
This is a "lets bash the endings" tread, dont waste time with your "logic" here
No it isn't. It's bashing plotholes.
ANYHOW. But isn't it a bit of a reach to say EVERY organic civilization will do it? And you can't say "well they did" because every single civilization known to us in the game created synthetics due to the Reaper tech. Without is, who knows if we'd ever done it.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:46
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BurtieBee wrote...
But eventually we would have gotten there, even without the Reapers' guiding hand. The Reapers aren't trying to help organics out of the cycle, so if it comes around a little sooner with their technology, they don't care. So by providing organics with advanced tech (the relays and Citadel, specifically), the Reapers can assure that everyone is all grouped together neatly when they come to harvest.
How do they know for sure that we would create AIs? They cant possible know that we would. The only they can be sure is by providing us with their tech. Which doesnt make any sense.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:50
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And even if we did create AI and they would destroy us. Would they be advanced enough to be capable of space travel? Even if they would - could it be possible for them to destroy ALL life in the galaxy?
Even the AI created by us was so advance it COULD destroy all life in the galaxy, WHY would they do it? AI's are capable of thinking for themselves, they have their own personality, their purpose and a will to live - why would they possibly desire to purge organics from the whole galaxy?
Even the AI created by us was so advance it COULD destroy all life in the galaxy, WHY would they do it? AI's are capable of thinking for themselves, they have their own personality, their purpose and a will to live - why would they possibly desire to purge organics from the whole galaxy?
