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[fixit6]

Must be up to 16th build on her, it just under performs. Other engineers are superior.

Main problem I have is that you have to go full turret, incin, and cryo blast to get any synergy which means you have to skimp on sheilds/life. In bronze this is not so bad, but in silver+ survivability is often times crucial. You can not be hit by anything if you only have lvl 2 shields.

Other problem is the fire and ice combo is just way to weak. Worst tech combo by far and it messes with the other, better ones which makes it often times counter productive.

Anyways, current build I opted to not focus on the combo and didn't bother with cryo blast at all. Seeing not much difference dmg wise, infact I seem to be hitting armored targets for more w/o it. Also not dying as much due to having full sheild perks.

Worst part of QE is the total inability to deal with sheilds at a decent rate. Only way is to use consumables and have a decent, high upgraded gun like a carni.

Lastly, turret is pretty crappy even after buffs. Salarian decoy is a way better distraction and lasts way longer under fire. Ya ya, it don't shoot but the turret don't do much damage past bronze so what's the point?

Sure anyone can make QE work: but over all the general opinion is that QE is not so good and there is better classes to play.

edit. next build going to only have lvl 3 turret instead, only use it as a distraction. See how it goes, I guess.

Modifié par fixit6, 05 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[Roninflame]

I've never had any problems using my QE against any faction on silver.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10618184/1
This guide explains one of the best ways to use the QE.
I'll admit that Geth are the hardest faction if you play as a QE, but if you play it safe and don't wander to far from teammates, things usually go smooth.
Also, to make QE as useful as the other engineers, all Bioware has to do is change Cryo Explosions to not require a target to be killed with an incinerate, and maybe increase incinerates aoe range to 2m so it matches cryo blasts aoe range.

[ChronoTrigga]

How do you deal with shields?  I find the combo, while very fast to go from cryo to incinerate(or vice versa), isn't quite as strong given that the target actually needs to die for it to go off.  Bit of an issue against a Geth Prime or 3 with full shields or armor.  Found the Tech Burst goes off more frequently without a hitch.  Also, Cryo Blast doesn't do any damage by itself, so it would be impossible to set up a fire explosion by yourself.  Not a problem for an AA.

Cryoblast if I remember correctly weakens shields. Also, I don't even both freezing/exploding enemies until they have at least half of their health, the only reason you should use freeze is to weaken shields and slow enemies down if you got that debuff on it. Flamethrower is a Quarian Engineers primary rape source. You should see my Vanguard with Scorpion. loll...its glorious. 2 Scorpion Potshots into a crowd. AoE biotic charge, If they aren't all dead, finish em all off with nova. I hardly even use nova on a vanguard anymore xD. Also I believe you can use the turret & incinerate together to create a fire explosion, if the flame turret hits first that is not the other way around. Just know how much damage your spells do and you should be fine pulling off tech combos.

[Axialbloom]

^bronze

[Perro Juan]

I don' agree at all. My main char is a QE, and I go bronze, silver and gold, and very very rarely get the last score.

I think it is just that the QE is a very different class from any other (including engineers) and require some practice with it.

Besides, Cryo is one of my favorite skills in the game... Very useful AND you feel like sub zero using it.

[ChronoTrigga]

Axialbloom wrote...

^bronze

lol wuteva man. Gold is EASY as ****. Enemy patterns don't lie.

I don't play vanguard the way 99% of players do.

Modifié par ChronoTrigga, 05 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[ChronoTrigga]

Perro Juan wrote...

I don' agree at all. My main char is a QE, and I go bronze, silver and gold, and very very rarely get the last score.

I think it is just that the QE is a very different class from any other (including engineers) and require some practice with it.

Besides, Cryo is one of my favorite skills in the game... Very useful AND you feel like sub zero using it.

Or the avatar using Fire/ice bending..... xD

[redafro]

they should at least have some anti geth skills like shield drain, tough they are awsome against the reapers

[ChronoTrigga]

Flamethrower = Shield drain. LOL

[Ediblestarfish]

You do realize that fire attacks do 1/2 damage to shields rite?

[Najarati]

Frankly, I've enjoyed the quarian engineer since the demo, which is surprising because I initially had no interest in the class; I only played it because the quarian infiltrator wasn't available at the time.  I run with Sentry Turrent, Cryo Blast, and Incinerate all fully evolved with emphasis on debuffing and AoE; also took the increased headshot damage from Quarian Defender.  My weapon is a Carnifex, and only a mark III at that; beautiful gun, though.

I feel pretty helpful on silver matches, usually end up top scorer (if points mean anything to you), and generally have a blast.  Even geth aren't a big deal.  Headshots, well-placed turrets, and liberal use of Cyro Blast/Incinerate get the job done.  If shields are really that much an issue, just equip disruptor rounds.  As for personal shields and health, more is helpful, but I find situational awareness and knowing when to evade/retreat far more helpful.  You'd be surprised how often a well-timed side-hop or roll can save you.

On gold matches I don't feel as useful in the offense department, but debuffing hard targets and/or freezing grunts en masse seems to help my teammates kill faster and more safely.  My score tends to drop as I play more defensively in gold, but it does't particularly bother me so long as we win.

My only real complaint is the difficulty in pulling off a Cryo Explosion.  Having to get a finishing hit on a frozen mob with Incinerate is a pain not because I have a hard time doing it, but because more often than not my teammates just kill the frozen mob first.  I can't really blame them, the target is bright white, sticks out, and isn't moving.  Heck, I sometimes get trigger-happy and shatter them  with a pistol round myself.

My suggestions for improvement?  Just hitting a chilled target with Incinerate should cause a Minor Cryo Explosion.  Hitting a frozen target with Incinerate should cause a Cryo Explosion.  Killing a frozen target with Incinerate should cause a Major Cryo Explosion.  Each would produce greater effects/debuffs than the previous.  You should also be able to chain these, so targets chilled/frozen by an explosion can also be subsequently exploded.

Modifié par Najarati, 05 avril 2012 - 09:59 .

[Dragoni89]

If you have the salarian engineer obviously you roll with that. Quatrain engineers are good. But decoy is too useful and op not to be used in gold.

[AdrianC25]

QE are powerful fire/ice casters , excellent support, cc and good to biotic explode off. just the turret isnt good enough so your forced to max you casting and lacks spotlight "hey look at ME" .

[Axialbloom]

Hopefully they are buffed next week.

[Anada_Rey]

Roninflame wrote...

I've never had any problems using my QE against any faction on silver.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10618184/1
This guide explains one of the best ways to use the QE.
I'll admit that Geth are the hardest faction if you play as a QE, but if you play it safe and don't wander to far from teammates, things usually go smooth.
Also, to make QE as useful as the other engineers, all Bioware has to do is change Cryo Explosions to not require a target to be killed with an incinerate, and maybe increase incinerates aoe range to 2m so it matches cryo blasts aoe range.

I agree. Choose the build that suits your playstyle, and even in an average team you can have a lot of fun with your QE, even playing against the Geth. Sure, the character has problems with shields, and if surrounded by enemies, is guaranteed to fall, but it's far from saying that it's the worst character for fighting Geth. 
I've had a lot of fun playing with my QE (a "Crowd Control Chick" build with a few tweaks from the guide in the upper link), and a Salarian Infiltrator in the team. We played through 3 matches while the other two members changed in each match. It takes teamwork, but that just makes it more fun, for me at least.

[HolyAvenger]

By far the worst engineer class. Cryo is awful compared to overload and ED. Turret is meh.

[Axialbloom]

HolyAvenger wrote...

By far the worst engineer class. Cryo is awful compared to overload and ED. Turret is meh.

Probably the worst character overall.

[Axialbloom]

Anada_Rey wrote...

Roninflame wrote...

I've never had any problems using my QE against any faction on silver.
http://social.biowar...ndex/10618184/1
This guide explains one of the best ways to use the QE.
I'll admit that Geth are the hardest faction if you play as a QE, but if you play it safe and don't wander to far from teammates, things usually go smooth.
Also, to make QE as useful as the other engineers, all Bioware has to do is change Cryo Explosions to not require a target to be killed with an incinerate, and maybe increase incinerates aoe range to 2m so it matches cryo blasts aoe range.

I agree. Choose the build that suits your playstyle, and even in an average team you can have a lot of fun with your QE, even playing against the Geth. Sure, the character has problems with shields, and if surrounded by enemies, is guaranteed to fall, but it's far from saying that it's the worst character for fighting Geth. 
I've had a lot of fun playing with my QE (a "Crowd Control Chick" build with a few tweaks from the guide in the upper link), and a Salarian Infiltrator in the team. We played through 3 matches while the other two members changed in each match. It takes teamwork, but that just makes it more fun, for me at least.

Name someone worse at fighting Geth...

[Anada_Rey]

Axialbloom wrote...

Name someone worse at fighting Geth...

I haven't played with all characters yet, so I can't comment on that.
But I CAN stay in defense of QE because I've played many a match with her, and many of them were against the Geth. Just trying to make a contribution in a form of saying "she works for me, and I don't think she's completely useless in this field". I'm aware some players prefer other characters, and that's just fine. This is a matter of preference, but if you or anyone else is willing to take a statistical approach and compare the numbers behind each character, I'd love to read it. And ofcourse I'll try and bet all characters against the Geth, but I doubt I'll stop playing with my QE.

[AndyXTheXGamer360]

I do just fine against the geth with my QE.

[Axialbloom]

Anada_Rey wrote...

Axialbloom wrote...

Name someone worse at fighting Geth...

I haven't played with all characters yet, so I can't comment on that.
But I CAN stay in defense of QE because I've played many a match with her, and many of them were against the Geth. Just trying to make a contribution in a form of saying "she works for me, and I don't think she's completely useless in this field". I'm aware some players prefer other characters, and that's just fine. This is a matter of preference, but if you or anyone else is willing to take a statistical approach and compare the numbers behind each character, I'd love to read it. And ofcourse I'll try and bet all characters against the Geth, but I doubt I'll stop playing with my QE.

Adding discussion is fine, but you DID call out the claim of her being the worst.  I have played everyone and she is quite easily the weakest against the Geth.

[Anada_Rey]

I guess I'll have to take you word for it, then.

[Axialbloom]

Anada_Rey wrote...

I guess I'll have to take you word for it, then.

You could try the others.

[Epsilon330]

Don't worry. Starting next Monday, you can play as Gethgineers and Gethfiltrators!
Quarians shall become obsolete for fighting Geth, as it appears the Gethgineer is based around anti-shields (and giving them to friendlies), and the Gethfiltrator is about picking off single targets (e.g. Primes). Their "Hunter Mode" will allow them to predict where Pyros are coming from, and to see Geth Hunters.
T'will be awesome.

[Sppok]

I play as QE and perform the same against all factions. It's more about how you play. We have run and guns (Krogans head butting everything including the rest of us), stealth snipers. QE you have to think. I haven't bothered with gold level but I'm usually the top score or close to it against any group in bronze or silver. (That's with zero points in the ice skill)