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[ragecage559]

daigakuinsei wrote...

BioWare has almost reached the level of AirTran and HP/Compaq in my book.

On AirTran, I had a 4-leg flight. Snow blew in my face from the air. Then on 3 other flights, the air condition was leaking water. Not only that, one flight was 5 minutes late so I missed the last flight home. They gave us a hotel voucher except the website to redeem it was broken. Never flew AirTran again.

My Compaq laptop melted. Never bought Compaq again.

ME3 is getting there, it really depends on whether they fix the ending and whether the fix is good.

That's interesting tying this subject into actual products we use in our lives. Only thing I can compare that to is bad dining experiences, where for the price, got some subpar service and the food was horrible. Sure I have bought products where they will break, but I did get some value out of it, I wouldn't buy the product again, but I wasn't in an uproar about it. I guess with ME, I felt the time investment and money paid didn't equal the value of the payoff, which on any story is the ending.

[Occulo]

The ending of The Village is the closest thing I can think of. But at least Shyamalan had the decency to not end the film with a wallpaper nicked from deviantART and an advertisement for some upcoming extra features that haven't come out yet.

[MystaisPC]

Catroi wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

KotOR 2. Anyone old enough will recall that one easily. Granted, who to blame was very clear back then, Obsidian got shafted with deadline cutbacks and had to release what had been completed at the time, but to this day fans are rebuilding the game from bits and pieces left over in its inhards.

And it was sad, because it was a much better RPG than ME3 could ever dream of being =(

What's good with KotOR 2 is that we have the real ending now thanks to the restauration mod (did you know that Obsidian asked Luxas Art the authorization to finish the game and release it through a patch and that they refused?)

Yeesh do not get me started on Lucas Arts.  They forced those horrible changes on SWG (NGE) as well as later promising those SWG players that SWG would remain up even after SWTOR went live, only to then close it down.  In my opinion Lucas Arts is up there with EA and possibly worse.

[Brawne]

I have managed to overlook lots of lazy or simply bad endings with a simple shrug but this one really pissed me off. The stark contrast between the game and the last 10 minutes is simply staggering.

[clarkusdarkus]

for me its just this, as its 5 years, 3 games and countless hours into the same story, thats why its a dissapointment, other games tend to be one off's and i just move on. It's because of what iv'e invested into this and was told how it would be.

[Captain Arty]

ragecage559 wrote...

Just curious.

I have seen my fair share of bad endings over the years, but I have never been this upset to where I actually want them to change the endings. I'm thinking the majority of you don't typically get this upset over bad endings and like myself this is probably the first time you wanted to see something changed. 

I also would like to think that if everyone knew that this is probably the only thing we have ever got worked up about, it would shed that entitled label as well. 

If you have felt the sameway about something else and wanted something changed, be open about it.

I feel a little weird about it, because I've never been so tied up in something before either. But I have never seen such an egregious failure, either. I've privately hoped things would be remade before (Star Wars prequels--remake them without Lucas at the helm), but I've never actively lobbied for it.

I have certainly never found myself in this place over a silly game, that's for sure.

But I think that speaks to collossal failure of storytelling. If an analgous failure had occurred at the end of Lord of the Rings (movie), audiences would have demanded their money back in force, but in that case, there would be no option to change it.

BioWare's own logic on not changing the ending's fails here. I think games are art, yes. But ME3 is bad art with the current ending. Not changing it because they don't want to alter the art is a moot point anyway, since games have been expanded and change for years through expansion packs and DLC. Games have been re-released with additional included content, just as movies have been re-released with additional scenes, and often times, the re-released versions include a wildly different ending. Not altering the art is a lazy excuse, not an argument.

Here we have a situation where a story and product is both demonstrably broken and not as promised. And there is still an option to fix it.

[Torrible]

I wish my life was so sheltered that a video game ending is the biggest crisis I had to face.

[eddieoctane]

Noelemahc wrote...

Monkey Island 2, it would've gotten as big a response as ME3 if the Interwebs were as pervasive as they are now. That was one glorious "frell you" from the lead designer to the higher-ups that decided to cut down on his work time.

You mean when they pulled a St. Elsewhere?

As for Mass Effect, no, I haven't felt this compelled about anything in the past. I've also never played a game before that felt like it was more my story than just going through the motions. I think this reaction is a sign of BioWare's past achievement. If no one really cared about ME1 or ME2, ME3 could be a total flop and nobody would care today. But they weren't, they were shinning examples of a company trying to get it right, and then listening to the players about what they could do better next time. It feels like that attitude was totally abandoned in the final minutes of ME3.

[NeitherNor]

Plenty of times, it comes with getting a little too involved in year-long sports championships! It can be quite disappointing or even annoying for a while, but the usual day-to-day stuff quickly retakes center stage as far as attention goes.

I suppose the disappointment with Dragon Age 2 and the lacklustre Mass Effect 3 demo prepared me for a less-than-excellent experience, though. But you know, I wanted to finish Shepard's story. <_<

Modifié par NeitherNor, 04 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[avatar0]

My ex-girlfriend breaking up with me.

[daigakuinsei]

ragecage559 wrote...

daigakuinsei wrote...

BioWare has almost reached the level of AirTran and HP/Compaq in my book.

On AirTran, I had a 4-leg flight. Snow blew in my face from the air. Then on 3 other flights, the air condition was leaking water. Not only that, one flight was 5 minutes late so I missed the last flight home. They gave us a hotel voucher except the website to redeem it was broken. Never flew AirTran again.

My Compaq laptop melted. Never bought Compaq again.

ME3 is getting there, it really depends on whether they fix the ending and whether the fix is good.

That's interesting tying this subject into actual products we use in our lives. Only thing I can compare that to is bad dining experiences, where for the price, got some subpar service and the food was horrible. Sure I have bought products where they will break, but I did get some value out of it, I wouldn't buy the product again, but I wasn't in an uproar about it. I guess with ME, I felt the time investment and money paid didn't equal the value of the payoff, which on any story is the ending.

I think you're on the right track.  Part of the frustration is opportunity cost.  I spend X dollars for those AirTran tickets expecting to be home, but was stuck sleeping in an airport, when I could have spent X+20 dollars an been home.  

The same logic applies to time/money invested in the Mass Effect series.  I must have spent over $100 on games + DLC and hundreds of hours playing characters.  In hindsight, had I know how little it would matter, I never would have played them at all.  My money and time would have gone to something more fulfilling.

[onlycore6007]

it's true I've been annoyed as hell with many other games and movies were the endings have really let the whole thing down but never to the extent I am with BW and Mass Effect 3 for a game that was this fun to just fall apart so much at the end is boggling... and I think I can put my finger on exactly why I feel this way,

BW asked us to get invested in this story over 3 games and a good deal of additional content, they out and out lied in relaunch about how much our playthroughs would effect the end of the game so I went back, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this, and I replayed both 1 and 2 to be sure I had the choices I wanted and then it all boiled down to choice a, b or c and none made any damned sense I felt let down and betrayed in a way nothing has come close to before

you wanted us invested BW and we obliged and then you drop such a nonsense, rushed feeling and incomplete end to Shepards story.. and you are seriously surprised people are mad? making it clear this was THE END just made it worse if there was more to come after this you could shrug it off but no this IS IT this is how it ends in all it's messy ridicules glory

[PhoenixDove1]

I've been upset with endings before (KOTOR 2 anyone?) but never enough to say that if it doesn't change I will never buy anything Bioware/EA again. Or stay on a sight to blog and post every single day no matter how crazy that makes me feel. This makes me sad, I don't want it to end this way, I never thought anything like this could ever happen. *sigh*

[nexesotaku]

I've felt similarly before. Too many times to count, but I think with ME3 it feels too much like that last straw kinda thing. Honestly I was coming into the third game thinking it'd be just adequate, but it ended up less than even that. I loved the series. It didn't seem like they could do worse then "OK" but they did, and now I'm on these forums waiting to see what happens. I've already lost faith in both films and games, I hoped the ME franchise would breathe in life and quality in to the industry. but sadly it tried and lost out like so many before it.

[B3ckett]

* Ending to ABC's Lost
* Cancellation of Firefly & Flashforward

The biggest WTF yet was the Conduit 2 ending, where... well, see for yourself (~10:00)
www.youtube.com/watch

[ardias89]

Never reacted this way before, not even when Denmark was up against Sweden in football with a German judge. Not a good combination and it did turn out disastrous when a Danish fan ran out and hit the judge, resulting in Denmark being banned from the game. And it didn’t make the situation better when the Danish press found out the guy lived in Sweden…. Felt empty there but not in the same way as here. This was worse.

[Tleining]

somewhat:
Gothic 3: The game was (like ME3) supposed to be the Conclusion of the Series. It ended up ...as a big disappointment. Most of that was caused by repetitive Quests and A LOT of bugs. But the ending also was a letdown. I didn't cared that much for Gothic 3, but there was a big uproar on the official Forum as well.
When the Developer and Publisher separated themselves a few Months after the game-release, most (or at least a lot) of the Original Gothic Fans turned their backs on the Publisher.

Divinity 2: Ego Draconis: Great Action-RPG, until you get to the Ending. Yup, one Ending. The Developer took a lot of hate for that one. The Story of the PlayerCharacter was continued in the AddOn, which ... was also a let down. The "Movement" to get better endings wasn't really big, but it was there. When the AddOn didn't really fix anything.... i haven't been to the official forums since.

I haven't bought a game from those developers or publishers since.

[Laurcus]

I have been almost this worked up about something before.
http://devilmaycry.w...ay_Cry          Note the initial reception section.

DmC Devil May Cry, the reboot to the Devil May Cry series, made by Ninja Theory, lead designer Tameem Antoniades. The game's not even out yet, and it will be the only DMC game I have not bought. I own DMC, DMC2, DMC3, DMC3: Special Edition, DMC4, and the recently released DMC: HD Collection. I refuse to buy this game, for a multitude of reasons.

There is just so much wrong with how this game is being designed, it makes me very angry. To name a couple of big ones. It's still unclear if this game is considered canon, or AU. If it's canon, this retcons several very important things about Dante, like all of DMC3, his species, and his entire reason for being a devil hunter.

Second. the "redesigned" Dante looks almost exactly like the lead designer, Tameem Antoniades. That's arrogant as *word that will get me banned from these forums* and is honestly just childish.

Third. Ninja Theory has openly insulted the fans in interviews. Like the kind of stuff Colin Moriarty says about the retake movement.

Fourth. Ninja Theory has decided to use the Unreal Engine 3.0 for the game. The engine was great in its time, but really? An engine that old is a direct downgrade from DMC4's engine, which ran the game no problems at 60 FPS.

Fifth. No Devil Trigger. We instead get an aerial quicksilver. If you're a fan you know what I'm talking about. That would be like removing biotic/tech powers from Mass Effect and replacing them with grenades. Stupid stupid design decision that will ruin the gameplay.

The extent of my protest about this game has been a few YouTube comments as well as an essay on the official Capcom forums.

Modifié par Laurcus, 04 avril 2012 - 03:25 .

[Hydralysk]

Esoretal wrote...

It's true, this is the first form of media I've ever been this up in arms about... but this is also the first time I've ever seen such a fantastic story completely invalidate itself within five minutes. It's also the first story that has made me cry multiple times. I've never been this emotionally invested in a story before, and I've never had so much faith in a gaming company before... which is a credit to 99% of the rest of the trilogy. I'm a lifelong gamer, and ME3 is the first game I've EVER bought on the first day of release.

I have been a fan of many great stories, and have been upset by a few things like character deaths and poor writing, but this is somehow different. The ending isn't just bad, it feels just plain wrong.

This pretty much sums up my exact feelings on the matter. Masd Effect was my favorite series, and watching it nosedive in the last 15 minutes was unacceptable to me.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 04 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Eain]

I sort of experience the same with DE:HR. Just standing there at the "press a button and solve the problem" console made me have a major dafuq moment.

Afterwards I was sort of annoyed.

ME3 is pretty much that to the tenth power.

[QuintSWE]

I was ok with the ME3 ending, I absolutely hated the Final Fantasy 13-2 "ending", or rather, lack of.

[Laurcus]

QuintSWE wrote...

I was ok with the ME3 ending, I absolutely hated the Final Fantasy 13-2 "ending", or rather, lack of.

That game has an ending.



SPOILER.












You lose. Caius Ballad kicks your butt.

[Vipus_Locasta]

MrFob wrote...

Exactly the same here. Usually I just shake my head and move on about stuff like this but ME3 really shook me up. Weird!

It's not weird. This is not a bad movie you spent a few dollars to watch and made you lose a couple of hours from your life. Considering you played all the games (and DLCs) you spent a considerable amout of money and time with this series. You have every right to be angry and ask for a new ending - and if they don't want to listen, you also have the right to lower their game score as well as come to their Social Network and complain until you're heard.

That's the only way things work people.

Modifié par Vipus_Locasta, 04 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[Sesshaku]

Brawne wrote...

I have managed to overlook lots of lazy or simply bad endings with a simple shrug but this one really pissed me off. The stark contrast between the game and the last 10 minutes is simply staggering.

This. Never before i was so angry with an ending.

[Stygian1]

First time I've ever even bothered to come onto a gaming forum. Games just don't really work me up that much--until Mass Effect. I loved this series because it is like a book, a movie, and a badass fighting system had a baby.

But in the end that same baby bit off my quads.