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[BatmanPWNS]

Has EA shot Bioware yet?

[Aweus]

Erszebeth wrote...

Why should she be involved in anything ? Shepard is dead and they are only clarifying the endings.

Would be hard to make clarification without Shepard talking. Even if they would stick with current endings only, they should still insert some lines for Shepard (like talk with Starchild?). Also in one of the endigs Shepard apparently manages to stay alive (although God knows to what end) so some additional lines would not be completly impossible.

[Rickin10]

It's okay Jen, I wont be having any further contact with Bioware either.

[Gerudan]

pfellahX wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

If she's not involved with BW for this, then EA's telling the truth that they're not adding or changing endings. BW will obey.

*shrug* Unless the ending was already recorded in the original sessions.

Grasping at emergency intake ports, I realize.

That would be the most outrages solution of all of them... 

[Capeo]

DreamTension wrote...

byne wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Dream Tension - sorry I didnt mean to offend. I just find the theory to be sort of funny, that's all.

@McFly616 - the endings paper from Mac Walters in the final hours app. It pretty much shows that he wasn't under the influence of indoctrination.

-Polite

While I'm not going to go so far as to say that they actually did this, if you were holding out until PAX to reveal IT, would you really show a random third party group papers you had discussing it before doing so?

It'd be like if before Sixth Sense came out, Bruce Willis went out and did interviews saying "I turn out to be a ghost in the end, but dont let anyone know, this is just a secret between you, me, and the video camera!"

Yeah...something about the Final Hours App is just odd.  Like they are giving clues then backtracking.  I need to read the whole thing to be fully educated because a lot of the quotes seem out of context.

The FinalHours app has absolutely nothing to do with EA or Bioware and they can't control its content.  The guy who made it is a game journalist.  He has done FinalHours for other games like Portal 2.  

[danteliveson]

Rickin10 wrote...

It's okay Jen, I wont be having any further contact with Bioware either.

I'm sure she is heartbroken about that.

[Gorfimus]

Maybe they're still planning out the ending. Lord knows that the worst thing they can do is rush some DLC ending and have people not like it.

[byne]

Capeo wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

byne wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Dream Tension - sorry I didnt mean to offend. I just find the theory to be sort of funny, that's all.

@McFly616 - the endings paper from Mac Walters in the final hours app. It pretty much shows that he wasn't under the influence of indoctrination.

-Polite

While I'm not going to go so far as to say that they actually did this, if you were holding out until PAX to reveal IT, would you really show a random third party group papers you had discussing it before doing so?

It'd be like if before Sixth Sense came out, Bruce Willis went out and did interviews saying "I turn out to be a ghost in the end, but dont let anyone know, this is just a secret between you, me, and the video camera!"

Yeah...something about the Final Hours App is just odd.  Like they are giving clues then backtracking.  I need to read the whole thing to be fully educated because a lot of the quotes seem out of context.

The FinalHours app has absolutely nothing to do with EA or Bioware and they can't control its content.  The guy who made it is a game journalist.  He has done FinalHours for other games like Portal 2.  

They can control its content by deciding what they allow the journalist to see. Its not like they just say 'Yeah, here are all of our past, present, and future plans, please take pictures of them.'

[Fruit of the Doom]

ReggarBlane wrote...

If she's not involved with BW for this, then EA's telling the truth that they're not adding or changing endings. BW will obey.

"...describes indoctrination as a subtle whisper you can't ignore, that
compels you to do things without knowing why. Over days, perhaps a week
of exposure to EA's signal, the subject stops thinking for
themselves and just obeys, eventually becoming a mindless servant."

[FrozenDreamfall]

Hmm although I respect Hale a lot and she's my favorite I really wish her and all the people involved in this would play the goddamn games.

[Deventh]

My guess is that they're waiting for PAX to move by and then start working on it. That's what i think at least.

[SpideyKnight]

Endings are not hard, I could write an ending to every Bioware game ever made that only trolls would complain about.  In the time it took me to write that sentence I had six for ME3, I'm at 13 now.  It's pathetically easy.  It is just as a guy said in his youtube video.  I got the vibe after Thessia, as he did, that everything had a very "are we done yet?" vibe.  It's laziness and ineptitude, plain and simple.

[Mcfly616]

DreamTension wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Dream Tension - sorry I didnt mean to offend. I just find the theory to be sort of funny, that's all.

@McFly616 - the endings paper from Mac Walters in the final hours app. It pretty much shows that he wasn't under the influence of indoctrination.

-Polite

Polite:
No worries with me...I'm not offended by anything that you said.  I just meant I wasn't going to talk about the IDT being disproved because I didn't want this to go in that direction.
It's all good.


The Final Hours app has become the number one source of disproven the IDT.  It's interesting.  I don't have it (nor do I plan on purchasing until the endings are 'fixed').  I don't have a retort because I don't know exactly what was said.

I'm aware of the Final Hours app....I know a lot of people say its concrete proof that IDT is not true...

But for me I've always found it curious....

You see, I didn't come here and find out about the IDT and become a believer.....for me, I always thought something was up from the moment I saw the "Breathe Scene"....from my first playthrough, after seeing that scene, I just took it as that "Ah haa" moment....that Bioware twist that's in nearly everyone of their games....

I found it funny because when I bought the game, the first thing I thought of was "I wonder what the twist is gonna be"....by the time the last 10 mins of the game rolled around, I had totally forgot about it.....until that last scene....that's when I knew something was amiss....I just didn't expect them to throw the twist at the end....apparently nobody did....

(if somebody is going to bring up how the other two endings don't include the "breathe scene", I will only say I have my reasons for believing he may in fact be alive in all endings but that the scene is an Easter egg that has requirements that need to be fulfilled in order to see it....just because its an Easter egg of sorts, doesn't mean that it isn't Canon....I use Halo 3 ending scene as an example, but since this is off topic, you can pm me if you care to hear how I come to this conclusion, as I've discussed it in length on other threads)

Now aside from my above statements, the main reason a lot of people view the Final Hours app as damning evidence towards the IDT....I see it as almost the exact opposite.....you don't create "Lots of Speculation" at the end of a trilogy...you do that in the first or second installments..

"Lots of Speculation" could mean they wanted to fool everybody....they wanted people to immerse themselves and dig for answers....they've even stated that they will "discuss the endings when more people have had the chance to beat it"....well why do that? To fool more people....to get more people "Speculating".....all the way up to the big reveal...

I admit, I have my doubts about the IDT....but those saying that the evidence for one side of the argument outweighs the other, those people are way off base....it can swing either way in my eyes....and nobody will know for sure until Bioware says so...and they haven't yet...

Some people think Bioware screwed it up, they think they wouldn't drag it out this long and endure even more backlash, if they really did have something up their sleeve.....well I wouldn't put it past them...I'm not sure when everybody started looking at Bioware as a cookie cutter developer....I've only ever seen them as unique story tellers that aren't afraid to push the envelop, take risks and try something that has never been done before....

But that's just me....

Edit: I just wanted to add another thought....who put out the Final Hours app? It had to be approved by Bioware....if they wanted it out there, that just lends credibility to the idea that they really wanted to fool people....why would they put the "real" ending on there if they were trying to fool everybody, and keep everybody guessing until they reveal it....?

Modifié par Mcfly616, 04 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[Erethrian]

EDIT: ^- I agree with that!



@OP: It could've been recorded before, so... Waiting for 2 more days. Then we'll see.

Modifié par Erethrian, 04 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[Capeo]

byne wrote...

Capeo wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

byne wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Dream Tension - sorry I didnt mean to offend. I just find the theory to be sort of funny, that's all.

@McFly616 - the endings paper from Mac Walters in the final hours app. It pretty much shows that he wasn't under the influence of indoctrination.

-Polite

While I'm not going to go so far as to say that they actually did this, if you were holding out until PAX to reveal IT, would you really show a random third party group papers you had discussing it before doing so?

It'd be like if before Sixth Sense came out, Bruce Willis went out and did interviews saying "I turn out to be a ghost in the end, but dont let anyone know, this is just a secret between you, me, and the video camera!"

Yeah...something about the Final Hours App is just odd.  Like they are giving clues then backtracking.  I need to read the whole thing to be fully educated because a lot of the quotes seem out of context.

The FinalHours app has absolutely nothing to do with EA or Bioware and they can't control its content.  The guy who made it is a game journalist.  He has done FinalHours for other games like Portal 2.  

They can control its content by deciding what they allow the journalist to see. Its not like they just say 'Yeah, here are all of our past, present, and future plans, please take pictures of them.'

They gave him full access.  This is what people don't get.  BW loved the endings.  They've had them planned this way for ages.  They were expecting nothing but accolades from the fans.  They weren't worried about hiding their "brilliance".  

There is no conspiracy afoot, no hidden ending and no new ending coming.  The game is done as far as BW is concerned.  The most we may get is some "clarifying" epilogues that likely won't even have VA.

[MPSai]

Orange Tee wrote...

Weird, cause Mark Meer said he was scheduled to do more voice work for DLC in an interview before this.

It's probably just to voice Vorcha.

[Aweus]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

Hmm although I respect Hale a lot and she's my favorite I really wish her and all the people involved in this would play the goddamn games.

She dont need to play games to be a good voice actor. Playing games is not something that anyone can/wants to do.

[humes spork]

Capeo wrote...
The FinalHours app has absolutely nothing to do with EA or Bioware and they can't control its content.  The guy who made it is a game journalist.  He has done FinalHours for other games like Portal 2.  

It was made by a game journalist. Journalists' careers live and die by one word: access.

Assuming there's no disclosure agreement that was signed prior to granting access, BW and EA still reserve the right to not engage in full disclosure. What journalists see is what they get, upon what they can report, and the source ultimately controls what journalists see. And, if the journalist happened to see something that was not intended, whether to report on that is a measured response weighed against the potential cost in losing future access.

Oh, sure, journalists have the right to publish whatever they wish, but that does not insulate them from the consequences of doing so.

[Capeo]

Mcfly616 wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Dream Tension - sorry I didnt mean to offend. I just find the theory to be sort of funny, that's all.

@McFly616 - the endings paper from Mac Walters in the final hours app. It pretty much shows that he wasn't under the influence of indoctrination.

-Polite

Polite:
No worries with me...I'm not offended by anything that you said.  I just meant I wasn't going to talk about the IDT being disproved because I didn't want this to go in that direction.
It's all good.


The Final Hours app has become the number one source of disproven the IDT.  It's interesting.  I don't have it (nor do I plan on purchasing until the endings are 'fixed').  I don't have a retort because I don't know exactly what was said.

I'm aware of the Final Hours app....I know a lot of people say its concrete proof that IDT is not true...

But for me I've always found it curious....

You see, I didn't come here and find out about the IDT and become a believer.....for me, I always thought something was up from the moment I saw the "Breathe Scene"....from my first playthrough, after seeing that scene, I just took it as that "Ah haa" moment....that Bioware twist that's in nearly everyone of their games....

I found it funny because when I bought the game, the first thing I thought of was "I wonder what the twist is gonna be"....by the time the last 10 mins of the game rolled around, I had totally forgot about it.....until that last scene....that's when I knew something was amiss....I just didn't expect them to throw the twist at the end....apparently nobody did....

(if somebody is going to bring up how the other two endings don't include the "breathe scene", I will only say I have my reasons for believing he may in fact be alive in all endings but that the scene is an Easter egg that has requirements that need to be fulfilled in order to see it....just because its an Easter egg of sorts, doesn't mean that it isn't Canon....I use Halo 3 ending scene as an example, but since this is off topic, you can pm me if you care to hear how I come to this conclusion, as I've discussed it in length on other threads)

Now aside from my above statements, the main reason a lot of people view the Final Hours app as damning evidence towards the IDT....I see it as almost the exact opposite.....you don't create "Lots of Speculation" at the end of a trilogy...you do that in the first or second installments..

"Lots of Speculation" could mean they wanted to fool everybody....they wanted people to immerse themselves and dig for answers....they've even stated that they will "discuss the endings when more people have had the chance to beat it"....well why do that? To fool more people....to get more people "Speculating".....all the way up to the big reveal...

I admit, I have my doubts about the IDT....but those saying that the evidence for one side of the argument outweighs the other, those people are way off base....it can swing either way in my eyes....and nobody will know for sure until Bioware says so...and they haven't yet...

Some people think Bioware screwed it up, they think they wouldn't drag it out this long and endure even more backlash, if they really did have something up their sleeve.....well I wouldn't put it past them...I'm not sure when everybody started looking at Bioware as a cookie cutter developer....I've only ever seen them as unique story tellers that aren't afraid to push the envelop, take risks and try something that has never been done before....

But that's just me....

How many BW games have you played?  Name one with a "twist".  They're not known for secret or M. Knight style endings at all.

Also, no game company is ever, EVER going to release a game with a fake or incomplete ending to the press, let them review it and use those reviews to sell the game.  You could actually get a class action lawsuit against them for crap like that.  It won't happen.  The game is done.  

[Nauks]

Yeah, as many have pointed out, if they cut the ending to sell us as DLC later, this dialogue is already wrapped.

At the very least I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until PAX.

[DreamTension]

Capeo wrote...

byne wrote...

Capeo wrote...

DreamTension wrote...

byne wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

@Dream Tension - sorry I didnt mean to offend. I just find the theory to be sort of funny, that's all.

@McFly616 - the endings paper from Mac Walters in the final hours app. It pretty much shows that he wasn't under the influence of indoctrination.

-Polite

While I'm not going to go so far as to say that they actually did this, if you were holding out until PAX to reveal IT, would you really show a random third party group papers you had discussing it before doing so?

It'd be like if before Sixth Sense came out, Bruce Willis went out and did interviews saying "I turn out to be a ghost in the end, but dont let anyone know, this is just a secret between you, me, and the video camera!"

Yeah...something about the Final Hours App is just odd.  Like they are giving clues then backtracking.  I need to read the whole thing to be fully educated because a lot of the quotes seem out of context.

The FinalHours app has absolutely nothing to do with EA or Bioware and they can't control its content.  The guy who made it is a game journalist.  He has done FinalHours for other games like Portal 2.  

They can control its content by deciding what they allow the journalist to see. Its not like they just say 'Yeah, here are all of our past, present, and future plans, please take pictures of them.'

They gave him full access.  This is what people don't get.  BW loved the endings.  They've had them planned this way for ages.  They were expecting nothing but accolades from the fans.  They weren't worried about hiding their "brilliance".  

There is no conspiracy afoot, no hidden ending and no new ending coming.  The game is done as far as BW is concerned.  The most we may get is some "clarifying" epilogues that likely won't even have VA.

^ Worst fears. 

I can counter this, but I get what you are saying.  It's just a shame

[Batarian_Army]

That information...mmhhh....I am not sad that I am not in Boston for the PAX...it will be a dangours place with unhappy people...no applause...only rage!

[DreamTension]

Capeo wrote...
How many BW games have you played?  Name one with a "twist".  They're not known for secret or M. Knight style endings at all.

Also, no game company is ever, EVER going to release a game with a fake or incomplete ending to the press, let them review it and use those reviews to sell the game.  You could actually get a class action lawsuit against them for crap like that.  It won't happen.  The game is done.  

Whoaaa....now you just lost me.

that's the one thing they are known for, their twists.  KOTOR, DA, etc...they all have twists. 

Now ENDING TWISTS?  Well...I am not sure if these would be ending twists.  I don't think ANYBODY has done an ending twist like this so that's not really a good point.

[Nauks]

Capeo wrote...

How many BW games have you played?  Name one with a "twist".  They're not known for secret or M. Knight style endings at all.

Not sure if serious

[humes spork]

Capeo wrote...
How many BW games have you played?  Name one with a "twist".

I have no serious response to this, so I will just leave an ellipsis.

...

There you go.