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[Dakota Strider]

Darth Krytie wrote...

I personally find it disgusting that EA won this for something so trivial in comparison to what those other companies did to get on the list. Yes, making a bad choice for five minutes of gaming is so much worse than poor labour conditions. Anyone who voted for EA over other more deserving companies (who actually committed crimes) makes me sick.

Nobody forces people to bank at Bank of America.  There are many other choices.  Bank of America does not twist a person's arm, to make them sign a loan application, that the customer applied for.  If a person does not have the capability to pay back a loan, it is their responsibility not to ask for money.  It was actually BofA, and other banks' policy not to approve the type of loans that are in question.  However, the policies of the US government, forced the banks to approve more loans to people that normally could not get approved in the past.  When these loans default, as everyone with a brain knows that they would, the blame should be on the government with the policies that forced the banks to disregard their normal practice of rejecting applications of people that have no means of paying back the money they borrow.

However, people "banked" with Bioware, long before EA took them over.  Nobody else makes RPG's quite the way that Bioware does.  Now that EA has taken over, Bioware fans have three choices.  Buy inferior games from a once proud franchise, buy lesser games from the few remaining non-EA competitors, or buy no games at all.

[Darth Krytie]

JC Tenton wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

I personally find it disgusting that EA won this for something so trivial in comparison to what those other companies did to get on the list. Yes, making a bad choice for five minutes of gaming is so much worse than poor labour conditions. Anyone who voted for EA over other more deserving companies (who actually committed crimes) makes me sick.

Origin Systems.
Bullfrog Productions. 
Westwood Studios.
Pandemic Studios.
Digital Illusions CE.
BioWare Corp.

And which of those companies would still be here if they hadn't decided to let EA buy them out? Companies that are perfectly financially viable on their own generally do not tend to make deals with larger companies. They do it because, generally, they need something that only the larger company provide. You may consider that they all sold out to the devil or whatever. Or that EA doesn't have the best record when it comes to its acquisitions...however, realities of the gaming industry are what they are.

They certainly aren't as bad as Bank of America or Walmart or the other financial institutions on that list. Just sayin'. And EA wouldn't have won if people weren't whining about the end of Mass Effect 3 in the first place. As I said, if you voted for EA because of the ending of the game over companies that have done a hell of a lot more damage to a hell of a lot more people, I find that disgusting.

[Darth Krytie]

Dakota Strider wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

I personally find it disgusting that EA won this for something so trivial in comparison to what those other companies did to get on the list. Yes, making a bad choice for five minutes of gaming is so much worse than poor labour conditions. Anyone who voted for EA over other more deserving companies (who actually committed crimes) makes me sick.

Nobody forces people to bank at Bank of America.  There are many other choices.  Bank of America does not twist a person's arm, to make them sign a loan application, that the customer applied for.  If a person does not have the capability to pay back a loan, it is their responsibility not to ask for money.  It was actually BofA, and other banks' policy not to approve the type of loans that are in question.  However, the policies of the US government, forced the banks to approve more loans to people that normally could not get approved in the past.  When these loans default, as everyone with a brain knows that they would, the blame should be on the government with the policies that forced the banks to disregard their normal practice of rejecting applications of people that have no means of paying back the money they borrow.

However, people "banked" with Bioware, long before EA took them over.  Nobody else makes RPG's quite the way that Bioware does.  Now that EA has taken over, Bioware fans have three choices.  Buy inferior games from a once proud franchise, buy lesser games from the few remaining non-EA competitors, or buy no games at all.

Still, at the end of the day, no one forces you to buy games either. Games are a luxury whereas many of consumers banking needs are not. Not buying a game won't make you homeless or bankrupt either. It won't ruin your credit if you don't buy a game. Or ruin your life. So, no, the impact is no where near the same.

[happy_daiz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry but BoA screws you over you lose your house and become homeless, EA annoys you then you end up miffed at nothing more than your hobby. At this stage anyone who voted EA in that against many of the others is nothing more than a spoiled child.

Exactly what I was thinking. Losing your house is quite a bit worse than being miffed about the ending of a freaking video game.

[Mr.House]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry but BoA screws you over you lose your house and become homeless, EA annoys you then you end up miffed at nothing more than your hobby. At this stage anyone who voted EA in that against many of the others is nothing more than a spoiled child.

BoA does not affect me at all because I don't live in America. EA does and is global. They have been screwing over customers for years, this year was the last straw for many people. They destroy games and companies, run them to the ground, have one of the worst Customer service systems I have seen, they charge full price for a rushed out game and cut content out so you can pay mroe money for the full game later, then you have Origin, online passes and now you have the ending for ME3. Don't give me that spoiled child crap.

[LordMandalore]

This thread is about a consumerist poll, please don't derail it into hobo entitlement against Bank of America.

[JC Tenton]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Wasn't Criterion games destroyed by EA as well?

Yes, I forgot about them.
And Maxis.
And sitting on the System Shock (and many, many others) franchise without making anyone able to even legitimately buy any of the games these days.
And horrible outsourced customer support...

[Steve Wu]

All of you fellows seem to be suffering from severe entitlement issues. Just because you give BioWare your money does not in any way mean that they have any sort of obligation to you on par with any other corporation. If you don't like it, you should buy different games.

I for one cannot wait for the Mass Effect FPS sequel and Dragon Age III.

[kbct]

LordMandalore wrote...

This thread is about a consumerist poll, please don't derail it into hobo entitlement against Bank of America.

Well said.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Sorry but BoA screws you over you lose your house and become homeless, EA annoys you then you end up miffed at nothing more than your hobby. At this stage anyone who voted EA in that against many of the others is nothing more than a spoiled child.

I'm assuming you are homeless than, either that or you live in the EA basement dungeon, defending them in hopes one day you will be released from your cage.

[Ultai]

John Epler wrote...

kbct wrote...

John Epler wrote...
I just came back with coffee and saw the thread.

Did you spit out your coffee when you saw the thread in the ME3 forum? Like when Maverick did the fly-by of the traffic control tower in Top Gun?

I lived through ManGiraffeDog, there's nothing the ME3 forum can spring on me that would cause that reaction.

Now, adding some scotch to the coffee - that's a little different.

ManGiraffeDog, those were good times...

Anyway, EA already had a statement in response.  In short, they don't care.

In a statement to Kotaku, EA Senior Director of Corporate Communications John Reseburg said:We're sure that British Petroleum, AIG, Philip Morris, and Halliburton are all relieved they weren't nominated this year. We're going to continue making award-winning games and services played by more than 300 million people worldwide.

Modifié par Ultai, 04 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[rolson00]

John Epler wrote...

kbct wrote...

John Epler wrote...
I just came back with coffee and saw the thread.

Did you spit out your coffee when you saw the thread in the ME3 forum? Like when Maverick did the fly-by of the traffic control tower in Top Gun?

I lived through ManGiraffeDog

he was the biggest pain in the arse ever, he was the only person i have wished harm on!

[Dakota Strider]

Darth Krytie wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

I personally find it disgusting that EA won this for something so trivial in comparison to what those other companies did to get on the list. Yes, making a bad choice for five minutes of gaming is so much worse than poor labour conditions. Anyone who voted for EA over other more deserving companies (who actually committed crimes) makes me sick.

Nobody forces people to bank at Bank of America.  There are many other choices.  Bank of America does not twist a person's arm, to make them sign a loan application, that the customer applied for.  If a person does not have the capability to pay back a loan, it is their responsibility not to ask for money.  It was actually BofA, and other banks' policy not to approve the type of loans that are in question.  However, the policies of the US government, forced the banks to approve more loans to people that normally could not get approved in the past.  When these loans default, as everyone with a brain knows that they would, the blame should be on the government with the policies that forced the banks to disregard their normal practice of rejecting applications of people that have no means of paying back the money they borrow.

However, people "banked" with Bioware, long before EA took them over.  Nobody else makes RPG's quite the way that Bioware does.  Now that EA has taken over, Bioware fans have three choices.  Buy inferior games from a once proud franchise, buy lesser games from the few remaining non-EA competitors, or buy no games at all.

Still, at the end of the day, no one forces you to buy games either. Games are a luxury whereas many of consumers banking needs are not. Not buying a game won't make you homeless or bankrupt either. It won't ruin your credit if you don't buy a game. Or ruin your life. So, no, the impact is no where near the same.

And you totally dismiss that the people who's lives are ruined because they defaulted on the loans, are the ones at fault, not BofA, or other banks.  People VOLUNTEERED to apply for loans.  Nobody made them sign the agreements.  What are banks supposed to do, let people default on loans, and give away their money for free?  The government forced banks to approves loans, that normally they would never have touched.  BofA got bad press, but for the wrong reasons.  If people's lives are ruined, you can blame them, for not being responsible in paying on their mortgage, or blame the government, for forcing banks to give out loans, to people they knew would default.

Modifié par Dakota Strider, 04 avril 2012 - 05:32 .

[Zuletheos]

Darth Krytie wrote...

I personally find it disgusting that EA won this for something so trivial in comparison to what those other companies did to get on the list. Yes, making a bad choice for five minutes of gaming is so much worse than poor labour conditions. Anyone who voted for EA over other more deserving companies (who actually committed crimes) makes me sick.

**** that BoA won 3 times already and haven't done **** about it its obvious THEY DONT CARE about how people hate them. Besides everyone already knows how banks are evil. EA hasn't been told how much of ****ing ****s they are and its about damn time. Besides EA put game studios out of business thus making people JOBLESS. Don't sit here and defend EA who ruined Bioware and Dice and put Pandemic, Bullfrog, and Westwood out of business they deserve it just as much as BoA

[Heretic-LV]

My thread in ME3 general was locked faster than Reapers invaded Earth....

And i still think, that it was relevant about ME3. Im betting, that it was EA's greed, that destroyed ME3.

[Ham Solo]

That statement sounds as if they had to prove something to us.
"we make alot of money, alot of people use our services, there are others who are worse than us"

I'm sure atghunter would have fun analyzing this one.

Modifié par Ham Solo, 04 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Farbautisonn]

scyphozoa wrote...

PMCs have murdered people. This contest is just an example of how vindictive the gamer demographic is.

-Sure PMC's have. They have also protected UN/Save the children and a metric ton of other NGO's and charities in places like africa, asia and south america.

You just dont see it on any bottom line how much money UN/NGOs uses to pay for ArmorGroup mercs and logistical personell in DRC for instance. Because that would clash hard with the do good image and the ability to "help" in the next photo-op humanitarian crisis.

LordMandalore wrote...

This thread is about a consumerist poll, please don't derail it into hobo entitlement against Bank of America.

-Goddamn entitled whiners.  Just goes to show you how spoiled the BoA subprime clents were. They should be happy about the foreclosures and the chance it gives them to use their imagination to get new habitats. Does BoA have to hold their hand? 

[Mr.House]

The only company worse then EA is Ubisoft.

[Steve Wu]

Mr.House wrote...

The only company worse then EA is Ubisoft.

I agree. I'm glad that EA bought BioWare instead of Ubisoft. Lesser of two evils, am I right?

[robmokron]

Darth Krytie wrote...

JC Tenton wrote...

Darth Krytie wrote...

I personally find it disgusting that EA won this for something so trivial in comparison to what those other companies did to get on the list. Yes, making a bad choice for five minutes of gaming is so much worse than poor labour conditions. Anyone who voted for EA over other more deserving companies (who actually committed crimes) makes me sick.

Origin Systems.
Bullfrog Productions. 
Westwood Studios.
Pandemic Studios.
Digital Illusions CE.
BioWare Corp.

And which of those companies would still be here if they hadn't decided to let EA buy them out? Companies that are perfectly financially viable on their own generally do not tend to make deals with larger companies. They do it because, generally, they need something that only the larger company provide. You may consider that they all sold out to the devil or whatever. Or that EA doesn't have the best record when it comes to its acquisitions...however, realities of the gaming industry are what they are.

They certainly aren't as bad as Bank of America or Walmart or the other financial institutions on that list. Just sayin'. And EA wouldn't have won if people weren't whining about the end of Mass Effect 3 in the first place. As I said, if you voted for EA because of the ending of the game over companies that have done a hell of a lot more damage to a hell of a lot more people, I find that disgusting.

Im pretty much responding to all of Darth's posts,

I understand your and other people's frustration with this internet poll result. Im Canadian, and i truly do not know the full extent to what BoA has done, however. Like people have said, BoA was a choice, (however the cilent may or may not have known this).

One could argue that that buying EA games is a choice, very , very true. However, I think what the voters (if legit) are mostly complaining or justifiying their vote is how EA has taken well loved companies, and whether its coincidence or not, many of these lesser companies IPs have fallen flat. The RPG Bioware fan for example, is losing their genre. EA is taking a large monopoly of the Game industry, and to my knowledge, BoA isn;t really.

Also EA ontop of what i said, is a bigger company in terms of worldwide distribution. Also...

Does BoA have a forum where people complain about the issues with the company in the same fashion of our beloved BSN and other dedicated forums?

Of course EA will win if its an INTERNET poll, Gamers tend to be alot more connected to this kind of thing, than someone living on the street. To be fair as well, i highly doubt that BoA has effected more than EA consumers. Did 250,000 people lose their homes? I would really hope not. Truthfully, BoA properly should have won, but it is a consumer website.

Whether it was Darth of not, i did read on here (or the consumerist) that we consumers created what EA is doing, that we should simply not buy their games if were mad. The problem is that many of the IPs we have claimed that EA has somehow managed to destory, we love or loved. An good example, if for example George Lucas sold the rights to star wars to... lets say, tim burton, and he did a Star wars film that was not received well, would you hate the franchise as a whole? Would your desire to see another movie or whatever be diminished? Usually no (my definition is obviously not absolute) however, i think my point can be valid. A closer to home example with Star wars, if you hate The Old Republic, and everything it stands for, do you hate Star wars now? would you boycott Star Wars because one interuptation of a IP you love?

No. Im sorry. to simply not buy the games we love is harder than you think. In my opinion anyways.

There is one thing to do however agree with the "BoA should have won the poo, and you guys are scum and whinny, and yada yada , herp derp" If people merely voted for EA based solely on the ending of ME3. Thats garbage. The Writers wrote the ending, it was an unfortunately miscalculation on the writing staff on the fan bases' expectations and hopes...

okay.. im done

Modifié par robmokron, 04 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[Farbautisonn]

scyphozoa wrote...

I hope you're not suggesting the good things a company does negates the bad things a company does. If a PMC commits murder or rape, the good they have done elsewhere doesn't make their crime any less heinous.

That ship sails both ways. If there are PMCs that break the law, put them and the individuals on trial. Dont generalize. Because if you do, you have no moral highground when the shoes is on the other foot.

Most NGO's and charities subcontract their projects to local "fixers" who in turn subcontract to others, creating a "charity industry" where the money goes  straight into the hands of criminals or warlords with only a fragment of the projected projects getting done. And thats if they dont outright bribe the local warlord with medicine, treatment or cash to get photo op access. That money is funneled directly into drugging child soldiers and illegal small arms trade. The NGOs and Charities feed what they profess to be against. Not all NGOs and Charities mind you... but most. Is it Ok if I now typecast ALL NGOs and Charities as supporters of atrocities that goes beyond what those PMCs perform? 

No?