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[JerusPI]

At Pax coming up we may find out how they'll clarify or extend the endings but Bioware seems to be defending it's endings the way they are.  But lets take a look at ME2 when compared to ME1. Alot of us loved Tali's Voice and personality and backstory how people treated her like the underdog.. {because lets face it at the time physically the only thing we knew about her was she was nightcrawler in a skintight diving suit}

And Garrus... Well i didn't really find Garrus too interesting in ME1 apparently some people did. {Don't get me wrong in ME2 he became a good friend but in ME1 he seemed to be all about "C-Sec wont let me play by my own rules"} And then Bioware made them Love interests in ME2. People didn't like the Mako so they replaced it with a hammerhead when people didn't like that in ME3 they got rid off both and had Cortez and Vega making jokes about both vehicles.

People didnt' like driving all over a planet to find an mineral deposit or lost matriarch writings. So in ME2 you just scanned planets and then got minerals or a mission. People liked that goofball Conrad Verner and so he's in all ME games and even gets a Noble death/ Embarassment and love interest. Biowares been pretty good about giving fans what they want so far.

And Before we start yelling about DA2. {which I personally hate} I have begun treating DA2 like Silent Hill 4. Not many people know {or they do and I just like to pretend it's a secret} Silent Hill 4 originally was a completely brand new game with no ties to Silent Hill so they could test out new things like the first person exploring of the room and such. But the market was too fierce to release an New I.P.so they made some modifications and released it as a new Silent Hill game.

So I just now pretend that DA2 was supposed to be an original I.P but they were afraid to risk it so made it Dragon Age at the last minute. Back to Mass Effect though. Why do they seem so protective of the ending? Unless they say they're going to change the ending completely, I hope any announcement about Clarifying/Extending the ending is accompanied with "Look we want to make and ME4 with Earth as a giant melting pot of aliens and humans stuck and recovering from the Reaper War and quite frankly we needed to ensure that happened in all endings by destroying the relays. We originally inteded wildly diverging endings but we were told to make an ME4 and to set up the endings so it was possible sorry if you don't like it guys. "

Modifié par JerusPI, 04 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[Stygian1]

I think that the ending is in a different ball park when it comes to alteration. The ending is so pivotal to a story that for them to admit that they F'ed it up is to admit they basically failed at telling the story they set out to tell.

But, what they need to realize is they did just that. They did screw up, and admitting it is the only way for them to start correcting the issue.

Modifié par Stygian1, 04 avril 2012 - 04:59 .

[The Lightspeaker]

Gah! Paragraphs! My poor eyes...

I think the point you're trying to make is that they've made changes due to customer feedback before and yet they're trying to hang on to this ending that vast, vast numbers of people hate.

All I can say is that they're either blinded by their "artistic integrity" and thus forgot its a commercial product. Or alternatively they've got absolutely no idea of the extent of the hatred this has stirred up.

[DarkBladeX98]

I miss the Mako ;(

[Animositisomina]

"Artistic integrity."

[Talogrungi]

It'll cost 'em money to fix it.

They like money.

There's really no other reason.

[Deltateam Elcor]

They will officially admit they are wrong if they submit to the whim of its community, however the danger of going down in flames is also something they wish to avoid.

[DeeLite808]

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

[bluewolv1970]

pride

[EricHVela]

EA sees a point in more gameplay. EA doesn't see a point in putting in more resources to change the story. EA doesn't believe that they can get enough money out of a storytelling niche market. They are going to make BW abandon that.

DLCs will provide more gameplay, but they will not provide changes to the existing story. We already know that Hale is not currently working with Bioware on any projects. Be surprised if there is any story at all in the DLCs.

[sergeym1990]

I think it its on large part because they are unwilling to admit they released rushed and incomplete game.

[NAWhisperBlade]

Why can't people format? TL:DR

[byne]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

If the people angry about the ending are the vocal minority, why dont we see more people from the majority come to the defense of the ending? I understand that apparently they are just so in love with the endings that they have apparently taken pledges of silence, but surely some people would break said pledge right?

[Grand Wazoo]

If Bioware submits to the fans demands and creates a new ending, other developers and gaming media sites can't take them seriously anymore, because in the end, those 75 perfect scores matter more to Bioware and most certainly EA.

[Dawson14]

Because they need the endings the same so they can transition into the next mass effect series. They sacrificed ME to easily set up the new ideas/games they are planning.

[Sparse]

Because to fix the ending properly they would have to remake half of the game. Which they can't do.

[sp0ck 06]

byne wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

If the people angry about the ending are the vocal minority, why dont we see more people from the majority come to the defense of the ending? I understand that apparently they are just so in love with the endings that they have apparently taken pledges of silence, but surely some people would break said pledge right?

I liked the ending, I just hated the lack of explanation of them.  So I'm in strong favor of some fleshing out DLC, which is hopefully what we are going to get.

[Luigitornado]

Because it is there ending.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Laziness.

[BadlyBrowned]

-Artistic Integrity
-It will take more $$$ to change the endings
-Pride

Pick one, or all.

[Skyblade012]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

Shakespeare did change his plays due to audience reactions.

And Harry lived through the last book because Rowling got negative feedback from her test audience.

Do your research.

[BadlyBrowned]

Grand Wazoo wrote...

If Bioware submits to the fans demands and creates a new ending, other developers and gaming media sites can't take them seriously anymore, because in the end, those 75 perfect scores matter more to Bioware and most certainly EA.

Critics reviews are more important than the ones actually buying the game.

Gotta love the corporatization of the gaming industry!

[HighScore 2600]

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

I miss the Mako ;(

I second this. You people killed that beautiful tank with your hurtful words.

[Tleining]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

1.) Tragic Lovestory, Happy Ending wouldn't fit. Would i have asked him to end it differently if i was the boss of the Theater? Prolly not. Could i have? Yeah?
2.) Did i ask him to make that Portrait with him having both ears? Did i pay him for it? If so, yes, i would have had some input.
3.) Were the Weasley Twins integral to the Story? Also bad example, JKR originaly thought about killing Harry in the last book, Fans asked her not to. Oh look!

[Talogrungi]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

If you'd controlled Juliet throughout the whole story and Shakespeare had told you that your choices would have a massive impact on the ending of the story then it would be reasonable for you to be annoyed that she committed suicide no matter how you wanted her story to end.

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

If you'd controlled the brush throughout the whole painting and Van Gogh had told you that your choices would have a massive impact on the final result then it would be reasonable for you to be annoyed that you were unable to choose whether his ear was whole or missing.

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

If you'd controlled the Weasley twin throughout the entire Harry Potter story, and J K Rowlings had told you that your choices would have a massive impact on the ending of the story then it would be reasonable for you to be annoyed that the twin died regardless of what you wanted.

Am I getting the point across? .. art is not changed by its appreciation; a game designed with the express intent of allowing itself to be changed by the player with the promise that the ending would be drastically different depending on those changes .. is very obviously not the same thing.