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[wantedman dan]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

The difference being that neither of those authors f*cked up their stories with inane plot twists during the last 1% of their stories. Everything that happened was predictable; sad, but predictable.

[Warp92]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

-Artistic Integrity
-It will take more $$$ to change the endings
-Pride

Pick one, or all.

My bet is on one of these.

[ThePanzer99]

But where will all the speculations live if bioware changes the ending? They're doing it for the speculations you naughty, entitled, ungrateful fans. /sarcasm

[Caz Tirin]

blooregard wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

I think that the ending is in a different ball park when it comes to alteration. The ending is so pivotal to a story that for them to admit that they F'ed it up is to admit they basically failed at telling the story they set out to tell.

But, what they need to realize is they did just that. They did screw up, and admitting it is the only way for them to start correcting the issue.

This hits the nail on the head.

Sadly, I expect them to use IT as a copout instead of admitting their mistake.

The worst part about this is the fans gave them several get of of jail free cards from the simple 4th "F off starchild" to the full blown indoctrination theory and yet the still don't say anything. No talking about the theories, confirming or denying them, no solid information just simple "clarification".

Well, to be fair, "F off Starbaby" is what most people's Shepard's would have said, based on the numerous posts over the past month.  I know for a fact mine would have because during that whole absurd conversation I kept waiting for either a Paragon Interupt or a dialogue option to tell him, essentially, "um... no, you're an idiot".

[Trakarg]

BadlyBrowned wrote...

-"Artistic Integrity"
-It will take more $$$ to change the endings
-Pride

Pick one, or all.

fixed that for you.

[lucidfox]

I bet it's because they've already made far-reaching plans starting from this ending. Like ME4. Or ME Online. What they don't understand is that nobody will buy them now anyway.

[Morty Smith]

Maybe it´s the best they could come up with.

[QuanManChu]

I'll let my signature do my talking. Cheers.

[AntiDave]

I guess because they already got so much money out of us and cannot be bothered. They're done with us and the ME universe and hate us because we refuse to just be 'costumers'. Ignoring protest has worked for this industry for years so why change?

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[Caz Tirin]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

Oh hey!  It's one of you people.

May I kindly direct your misinformed, uneducated attention to this thread:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

[Runningniko]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

Hmmm, The Bard did indeed change his plays to fit his audiences.  Dickens changed Great Expectations and Conan Doyle brought back Sherlock Holmes, both due to massive public outcry so there is precedent.  That said, I found the ending to the Mass Effect series very satisfying and emotional.

Having said all this though, I can fully understand how some would find the ending infuriating and rushed - Bioware did, afterall, promise us the possibility of a panoply of endings - each depending on all the decisions we had made throughout, why they blatantly didn't produce.  I'm done with Bioware RPGs, as they aren't really that anymore, but I saya again, I loved the emotional rollercoaster thrill ride that was Mass Effect, and I absolutely fxxking loved being Commander Shepard!

Modifié par Runningniko, 04 avril 2012 - 06:54 .

[mxfox408]

here is an insult, right after the non sensual ending we received after the ending and then this message it caused me to head directly to the metacritic and then to the forums. If they want to defend it thats fine, but they will be in a very bad place in the future going forward.

Modifié par mxfox408, 04 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[Kitedtk]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

All you examples are static... Reader viewer never had influence... Very different from a media like rpg game... Truly different feom series like ME which has always accounted for fan feedback...

As for why they are being like this... Pride, Blindness or maybe some future game reason... If it's the last then i will abandon Bioware...

[Robhuzz]

Maybe they're not but EA is just making them?

I've yet to see anyone from BioWare come out and defend their ending. Sure we got the PR talk but that should be mostly ignored. I haven't seen a single person come out and tell us why this is an appropriate ending to the series. NOT ONE. This pretty much says it all.
And really I do not blame them. The ending is everything they said it wouldn't be. It made no sense (space magic huh), it has plot holes big enough to fly the entire Reaper fleet through, it offers not an ounce of closure or satisfaction and no matter what you do, Shepard dies, your crew gets marooned on some planet and the galaxy is screwed for the next several 1000 years. No one could honestly defend this ending.

So what's up? BioWare knew full well they were releasing something completely different from what they promised. They knew the fans wouldn't accept this ending. Frankly I think most of the BioWare employees themselves wouldn't accept this ending. BioWare's silence says enough. They've either completely lost it and are being actively silenced by EA, or they've got something up their sleeve.

PAX will hopefully provide the answer.

[Total Biscuit]

Skyblade012 wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

Shakespeare did change his plays due to audience reactions.

And Harry lived through the last book because Rowling got negative feedback from her test audience.

Do your research.

Also Van Gough commuted suicide in total poverty after a lifetime of no one buying his art except out of pity.

Not a great artist for Bioware to be emulating.

[Silveralen]

Kroitz wrote...

Maybe it´s the best they could come up with.

If that is the case, we should all stop buying Bioware products anyways.

[translationninja]

....because they got your money already...

[DavidMW]

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

REALLY bad example, J.K intended to kill Harry in the last book, changed because fans got angry.


so...yeah.

Modifié par DavidMW, 04 avril 2012 - 07:17 .

[ahandsomeshark]

DavidMW wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

REALLY bad example, J.K intended to kill Harry in the last book, changed because fans got angry.


so...yeah.

no she wasn't going to kill harry she was going to kill ron, but fans freaked so one of the twins got it instead. She also spared Arthur (the weasley did) in book 5 because of fans (though then she killed off tonks and remus to balance it out, poor tonks)

the more you know *and shooting star*

[Verit]

I don't see the big deal in changing the endings, or at least adding new ones. It's hard to argue artistic integrity when the ending goes against everything the trilogy was based on.

[Avarenda]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

DavidMW wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

REALLY bad example, J.K intended to kill Harry in the last book, changed because fans got angry.


so...yeah.

no she wasn't going to kill harry she was going to kill ron, but fans freaked so one of the twins got it instead. She also spared Arthur (the weasley did) in book 5 because of fans (though then she killed off tonks and remus to balance it out, poor tonks)

the more you know *and shooting star*

Actually, i think i would have prefered it if ron died. The twins were awesome, Ron was a whiny jerk who abandoned Harry often.

Modifié par Avarenda, 04 avril 2012 - 07:40 .

[bpzrn]

blinded by their "artistic integrity" and thus forgot its a commercial product

[Smiley556]

Why is Bioware so bent on keeping the ending

Because the end doesnt need changing if indoctrination is true, just clarification and continuation. ie. exactly what they plan on giving.

Modifié par Smiley556, 04 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[Gigamantis]

It's probably because the ending is perfectly fine. All of the plotholes you people think you're pointing out actually don't exist. You're just upset at the sadness and hopelessness of the ending and our lashing it with very poor reasoning.

[JerusPI]

Skyblade012 wrote...

DeeLite808 wrote...

extent of the hatred. A vocal minority are "angry" they didn't get the ending they thought they were gonna get.

Would you tell Shakespeare that Romeo and Juliet shouldn't have died and demand him to change it?

Would you tell Van Gough that his self portrait should include his missing ear and demand him to change it?

Would you tell J.K. Rowlings that one of the Weasley twins shouldn't have died and demand her to change it?

Shakespeare did change his plays due to audience reactions.

And Harry lived through the last book because Rowling got negative feedback from her test audience.

Do your research.

I kinda want to read the book she intended now