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[Farbautisonn]

Dridengx wrote...
See, I think they don't not because they can't. I think it's because they don't want to.

-Does it matter? Any attention is still bad attention at this point.

If I was in the Spin dept for EA/Bioware I'd do anything to bury this and go back to status qvo. We are beyond the ability to spin it into something good.  All they can do is to retroactively roll with the punches and hope it goes away soon.

[HenchxNarf]

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, this is getting silly. Donate to charity, but don't attatch it to RetakeME3 again. Two previous actions were enough, Bioware responded and IS already working on new ending content (whatever it is). Seriously.

Clarification and explaining the endings aren't good enough for some of them (they want whole new endings, which isn't happening), so they'll keep up what they're doing.

[Farbautisonn]

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, this is getting silly. Donate to charity, but don't attatch it to RetakeME3 again. Two previous actions were enough, Bioware responded and IS already working on new ending content (whatever it is). Seriously.

-Seeing is believing. And given Biowares recent history, I think the "Retake" should see something concrete before they relent.

[loudent3]

Capone666 wrote...

Had a chance to have a sit down with the organizer who explains what the group is planning for PAX and what is the next charity they plan to focus on.

Click here to see

Honestly, this is not going to get what we want. The retake has one move and only one move that will get us what we want. We need to withold our dollars from ME merchandise. If it hits them in the pocketbook they will notice.

[shepskisaac]

HenchxNarf wrote...

they want whole new endings, which isn't happening

precisely

[Darth Malice113]

Farbautisonn wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

OK, this is getting silly. Donate to charity, but don't attatch it to RetakeME3 again. Two previous actions were enough, Bioware responded and IS already working on new ending content (whatever it is). Seriously.

-Seeing is believing. And given Biowares recent history, I think the "Retake" should see something concrete before they relent.

  ^^ This.
How could anyone take what someone says in a PR statement at face value?

Marketing said alot of things about ME3 that turned out to be rather misleading.

The saying " I'll believe it when I see it." seems to be appropriate.

[Farbautisonn]

loudent3 wrote...

Honestly, this is not going to get what we want. The retake has one move and only one move that will get us what we want. We need to withold our dollars from ME merchandise. If it hits them in the pocketbook they will notice.

Any press helps too. If the "Retake" community and the PR can convince even a small percentile of gamers, parents that buy games for their kids, or retailers who might next time demand a discount for taking home an EA product, then the profit margin for the games takes a hit. Rising and more importantly persistant Media attention might inspire even a few, then thats profit out of EAs pocket.

So. attention is bad. Any attention is bad.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Farbautisonn wrote...

All of you people who disagree with me:

Does EA / Bioware want this debacle to go away? Yes or no?

And

Does media coverage of any kind make the problem go away? Yes or no?

First off I am not disagreeing with you, I am just asking wouldn't that be a positive PR spin for the charity work they did.

To your questions. It is hard to say, since the entire thing is a quagmire. I think they want it done so they can prepare to market the next game DA:3.

As for media coverage make a problem go away? No we live in a world where news changes constantly and never full of depth anymore. Once people (aka the public who are not invested). Will get bored and hop on the next anger fueled rage. If I recall correctly Skyrim had a lot of flack for not having HD support.

Everything fades, news sites will get the next hit and run from there. I think what the Retake movement has done is good it brought light which would of never came up, but it will die off.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Farbautisonn wrote..

So. attention is bad. Any attention is bad.

Just to say attention can be bad. Some people still have a strong stimga of what gamers are, which could hinder them from feeling it fully out. While companies buy it a low prices anyway and just have EA sugested retail price. They could decide that the suggest price is too high and sell it for less, but it is hard to forsee what will happen.

If anything of what will happen development will remember there is another type of hardcore gamers out there. The immersive gamer. Where they want a full story a full term with all the bells and whistles instead of just the bro-core which play it as quickly as possible to just to get to MP.

[Tirigon]

Capone666 wrote...

Had a chance to have a sit down with the organizer who explains what the group is planning for PAX and what is the next charity they plan to focus on.

Click here to see

I still dont believe this part :

We give to charity to help make the world a little bit better, not to further our own ends.

Why else would they do it? The people who just want to help others have donated anyways, why would Retake MassEffect encourage them?

I  dont mind a mutual benefit where both sides profit, which it is. But be honest about it and dont spread blatant lies.

[Farbautisonn]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...
First off I am not disagreeing with you, I am just asking wouldn't that be a positive PR spin for the charity work they did.

-Retroactive spin has a problem. Its forced. Any halfarsed student of Marketing or Politics can see right through that. They did what they thought they had to do. It would have won them one hell of alot more positive PR if they had passed the pastry around the office and shown pics of each person who got one.

Instead they did precisely what they tried to prevent the fans from doing. They "took" another action because they didnt like the choises they had. Sure giving the cupcakes to a shelter is  good thing and they likely did it to defuse the situation... however as I percive the "Retake" movement its only made them more hellbent on comming up with something that Bioware cant spin themselves out of. Getting in a pissing contest with your customers is a bad idea. You end up loosing. They are more than you, and they have you by the balls anyway.

To your questions. It is hard to say, since the entire thing is a quagmire. I think they want it done so they can prepare to market the next game DA:3.

-No its not. And if you think this fecal blizzard wont have an effect on DA3 and how people will recieve DA3 then You are mistaken.

As for media coverage make a problem go away? No we live in a world where news changes constantly and never full of depth anymore. Once people (aka the public who are not invested). Will get bored and hop on the next anger fueled rage. If I recall correctly Skyrim had a lot of flack for not having HD support.

-And yet the Retake guys have been able to keep the heat more or less rising for a month. Not too shabby. And if they can keep it going, make a good impact on PAX and then rally their forces and remind media and clients of this debacle every time a Bioware title is announced then that is one hell of alot of bad press to have running against you.

Everything fades, news sites will get the next hit and run from there. I think what the Retake movement has done is good it brought light which would of never came up, but it will die off.

-Sure it will. But as I stated above. Its so very easy to rekindle. People feel they are a part of something now. That they are fighting for something they care for in a very peacefull and respectfull way. That sentiment can lure others to join. Just for the hell of it. And if the guys of Retake play it right they can really make an impact... Hold the industry to a higher standard perhaps even. Stranger things have happened.

[Lotion Soronarr]

AJRimmsey wrote...

jesus..who cares anymore,game was released ages ago.
just spamming and boring the hell out of people flogging this deceased equine.

take up trainspotting or something.

Indeed.
Bad games, bad movies, bad books happen all the time.
You know what normal people do? B***ch about it for a few days and move on.

The Retake movement is becoming a sad parody.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

jesus..who cares anymore,game was released ages ago.
just spamming and boring the hell out of people flogging this deceased equine.

take up trainspotting or something.

Indeed.
Bad games, bad movies, bad books happen all the time.
You know what normal people do? B***ch about it for a few days and move on.

The Retake movement is becoming a sad parody.

Somewhere on the Golden Throne of Terra, the Emperor is face-palming at the Retake crowd.

[Tirigon]

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Somewhere on the Golden Throne of Terra, the Emperor is face-palming at the Retake crowd.

He would probably assume they are possessed by Slaanesh demons, and send the Adeptus Astartes.

[Farbautisonn]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Indeed.
Bad games, bad movies, bad books happen all the time.
You know what normal people do? B***ch about it for a few days and move on.

The Retake movement is becoming a sad parody.

-"Normal people" dont make an impact.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 04 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[Capone666]

UnstableMongoose wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

Another charity? hasn't the last two blown up in their face?

-Not really. The publicity was well worth it. Any PR is good PR for "Retake". Not so for Bioware/EA.

If your PR is "your poorly-organized charity event got Child's Play into serious legal trouble and enough people demanded charity refunds that it nearly suspended CP's Paypal account" I'm here to tell you that it is not good PR. Retake blasts EA and BioWare for "only apologizing in PR speak" but Retake doesn't apologize at all. This double standard has to stop if you want anyone besides Retake to take Retake seriously.

The organization was able to adovcate for donations which in span of a few weeks garnerd over 80 thousand dollars to help Childs Play.

Why wouldn't you want that to happen again?

[HenchxNarf]

Capone666 wrote...


The organization was able to adovcate for donations which in span of a few weeks garnerd over 80 thousand dollars to help Childs Play.

Why wouldn't you want that to happen again?

Because you used the charity as a shield? A large number of people wanted their money back? So yeah, people don;t want any more shady charity crap anymore.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 04 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[locsphere]

UnstableMongoose wrote...

Wow. Did that person really just say that Child's Play backed out because other donors threatened to cut them off? Do they not understand the severe amount of legal trouble that Retake's botched charity drive caused for Child's Play because it was so poorly organized?

Yeah your right they raised 80k... Cause it was poorly organized... Are you for real? They stopped it due to politics forbes already reported on it.

[Farbautisonn]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Because you used the charity as a shield?

-Cooperations and politicians has done so for generations. And now when consumers does it, its suddenly reprehensable? Really? Do you boycot Mc Donalds for feeding kids food that turns them obese and diabetic and then have the audacity to sponsor a "Ronald McDonald" home at a hospital that treats the kids? 

A large number of people wanted their money back? So yeah, people don;t want any more shady charity crap anymore.

-Source and definition please. I want more charity crap. It goes to the needy and it generates attention. Its a win-win.

[Tirigon]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Indeed.
Bad games, bad movies, bad books happen all the time.
You know what normal people do? B***ch about it for a few days and move on.

The Retake movement is becoming a sad parody.

-"Normal people" dont make an impact.

True. But just because something is not normal doesnt make it automatically good either.

Farbautisonn wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Because you used the charity as a shield?

-Cooperations
and politicians has done so for generations. And now when consumers
does it, its suddenly reprehensable? Really? Do you boycot Mc Donalds
for feeding kids food that turns them obese and diabetic and then have
the audacity to sponsor a "Ronald McDonald" home at a hospital that
treats the kids?

And cooperations and politicians are widely seen as evil, and noone trusts them because most of them lie whenever they say anything at all.

Modifié par Tirigon, 04 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Im wondering how much of this "charity" goes into organisers pockets...
anyway good luck guys

[adam32867]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Capone666 wrote...


The organization was able to adovcate for donations which in span of a few weeks garnerd over 80 thousand dollars to help Childs Play.

Why wouldn't you want that to happen again?

Because you used the charity as a shield? A large number of people wanted their money back? So yeah, people don;t want any more shady charity crap anymore.

I dont think it was intended as a shield. also anyone who wanted their money back was a fool it was directly stated several times that the money was going to a charity and was not funding and ending.
However i understand how things can be seen in a different light, but if a new charity could be set up i belive it could be done in a way that is benifical for everyone.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-Cooperations and politicians has done so for generations. And now when consumers does it, its suddenly reprehensable? Really? Do you boycot Mc Donalds for feeding kids food that turns them obese and diabetic and then have the audacity to sponsor a "Ronald McDonald" home at a hospital that treats the kids?

Uncle Kentucky salutes you!