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[JemmaProphet]

I also work in the industry and I can assure you, any media-related campaign like this is most definitely taken seriously. One that's so well-publicized that it gets picked up by Forbes (among many others) and manages to organize a _real_ USD measurable effort from your customers?

Heck yeah it's taken seriously. There are meetings. Lots and lots of meetings.

Ultimately any business is accountable to their customers for their product; if your product has a flaw, it's in your best interest to figure out what it was, how it happened, and to prevent it in the future. If it's possible to fix it, it's usually a good idea to fix it if you can.

Sometimes you can let things go and cool off and it blows over on its own; if that's how the reaction appears to be heading, it's financially wiser to let the problem blow itself out, so to speak. No sense in putting good money after bad, if the hullabaloo will die down.

The fact that Retake _isn't_ going away, and continues to make themselves known at every opportunity, means that it makes more financial sense to come up with some kind of solution to the problem. Simple as that.

ETA: It's important that it remain civil, though. Civil campaigns get a lot farther than angry ones.

Modifié par JemmaProphet, 04 avril 2012 - 09:42 .

[SalsaDMA]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Ugh, I'm so sick of hearing about this. It's just a videogame.

Wrong.

It's a billion dollar industry.

When you start claiming that amount of money is 'just x', you have a skewed view of things...

Attitudes like yours is why the industry is able to practically bend the consumer protection laws and behave in ways that would have gotten them crucified if they tried it in other, lesser profitable, markets...

[ZombieGambit]

knightoftaurus wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

Ugh, I'm so sick of hearing about this. It's just a videogame. It's my favorite series ever and I never found any of this necessary.

If BioWare changes the ending it'll set a terrible precedent for the gaming industry. Creative developers will want to stick with "safe" happy endings and greedy publishers like EA and Activision will want to release multiple ending DLCs for games. You don't ask a musician to re-record his music and you don't ask a director to re-film his movie, but apparently you'll demand repeatedly that a game developer "fix" their game. Grow up, people.

Apparently you've never heard of screenings or testers for these sorts of things.

Also, if a movie or album is bad, people LOUDLY and PUBLICLY say it all the damn time, and it is widely accepted. It's why sites like Rotten Tomatoes exist.

So good for you. You liked the ending. Lots of people did not, and that's why Retake exists. If you don't want to read it, go elsewhere. It's "just a video game" after all.

Giving something bad reviews isn't the same as the bull**** that is this "movement". This is basically demanding that BioWare change the ending, not just saying "it's bad, no one play it."

[Tirigon]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-The support of charities doesnt hurt now does it? It doesnt make people go "OMG they are holding "x" charity hostage to raise their social profile"? 

Most who support the "Retake" movement dont support them because of the charities. But the charities is a nice thing. Its something nice people can get behind. Its this "niceness" that is a shield, just as it is a shield for Mc Donalds or Wallmart.

Of course.

i said before I dont mind them helping charities. I just find it dishonest to say they do it without wanting to profit from it.

[SalsaDMA]

I find it telling that it's not the retakers that are flamebaiting, but people trying their hardest to put the retakers in a bad light.

Must be annoying when the bait doesn't get taken

[Kaloneous]

kbct wrote...

Kaloneous wrote...

I work in the gaming industry and Retake are being taken very seriously.

Interesting. Every insider that has posted on these forums (and that I have read) has said the same thing.

Just to clarify for you an anonymous individual. I am a concept artist. I have worked on a big selling title and I was extremely fortunate to be given that and my current opportunity. I have friends who are game developers and they look at this more out of curiosity then any fear but they believe (as do I) it is still an important stage in the gaming industry’s development. I don't like the hazing that game developers like BioWare are getting and I don't like the hazing fans are getting either. However, I guess things work differently in the American/Canadian markets which makes me gladder that I work solely with European studios.

[Black_Diamond]

knightoftaurus wrote...

MorSterling wrote...

Check the polls end-supporters.

You are a little, very little vocal minority.

Lol what polls?

Are we supposed to be quaking in our boots over your vague hand waving of some mysterious, non-linked polls?

You mean these polls? http://social.biowar...5/index/9851623 or perhaps http://social.biowar...ndex/10071250/1 I should have additional links somewhere if you want them.

[Tazzmission]

i would love to go to pax and bust up the take back movement

[d4rkspike]

As much as I disliked ME3s ending, I think I dislike what this "Retake ME3" movement has become even more.

[BeefoTheBold]

AJRimmsey wrote...

jesus..who cares anymore,game was released ages ago.
just spamming and boring the hell out of people flogging this deceased equine.

take up trainspotting or something.

anyway..not ME related,doesnt belong here.

I love how often this reasoning is coming up.

"Spam"
"Not ME3 related"

Translation:

"Please go away and stop complaining."

[kbct]

Illtis89 wrote...

So here's my take. Stop judging the retake movement based on the actions of a couple of people. All you are doing is making yourself look dumb for doing so. It's called common sense use it.

That's precisely what they do. They take the actions of a minority and ascribe them to the majority.

That and they repeat the same things over and over - stop demanding, you're entitled whinners, I'm tired of this, who cares, etc. 

[Farbautisonn]

Tirigon wrote...
Of course.
i said before I dont mind them helping charities. I just find it dishonest to say they do it without wanting to profit from it.

-Well. They were being blamed for being "entitled brats" and all sorts of other crap. They needed to refute that. So they did something nice and innovative. It worked. Im sure most of them are doing it for altruistic reasons and because they got sick of being called things.

[Tazzmission]

d4rkspike wrote...

As much as I disliked ME3s ending, I think I dislike what this "Retake ME3" movement has become even more.

and thats why the movement will fail because they will continue there ranting regardless what is given to them


i have stated this multiple times and yet im called a troll

its like seriously ( not refering to you) but damn people grow up 

[Farbautisonn]

Tazzmission wrote...

i would love to go to pax and bust up the take back movement

-As a guy with a background in Spin, Id love to see you go there and do it. You have zero idea how much goodwill that would get the Retakers and how much Bioware would have to distance themselves from you.

[BeefoTheBold]

Tazzmission wrote...

d4rkspike wrote...

As much as I disliked ME3s ending, I think I dislike what this "Retake ME3" movement has become even more.

and thats why the movement will fail because they will continue there ranting regardless what is given to them


i have stated this multiple times and yet im called a troll

its like seriously ( not refering to you) but damn people grow up 

A bold statement considering that nothing has yet been given to them.

You're already predicting that nothing will satisfy the movement when no olive branch has yet been extended.

[Capone666]

d4rkspike wrote...

As much as I disliked ME3s ending, I think I dislike what this "Retake ME3" movement has become even more.

What has it become?

[kaztas]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Ugh, I'm so sick of hearing about this. It's just a videogame. It's my favorite series ever and I never found any of this necessary.

If BioWare changes the ending it'll set a terrible precedent for the gaming industry. Creative developers will want to stick with "safe" happy endings and greedy publishers like EA and Activision will want to release multiple ending DLCs for games. You don't ask a musician to re-record his music and you don't ask a director to re-film his movie, but apparently you'll demand repeatedly that a game developer "fix" their game. Grow up, people.

You do realize BioWare can't set a precedent by adding an ending in DLC right? Mainly since fallout 3 already did that, as well as other medias of entertainment. Also, it's not about "Happy" endings, so before you complain, please understand what it is that you're actually complaining about. The majority don't want "rainbows and butterflies".

Also if they charge for a DLC ending for ME3, the vast majority will not buy it on principle, thus the "greedy" developers won't make much on having mulitple DLC endings.

[kbct]

JemmaProphet wrote...

I also work in the industry and I can assure you, any media-related campaign like this is most definitely taken seriously. One that's so well-publicized that it gets picked up by Forbes (among many others) and manages to organize a _real_ USD measurable effort from your customers?

Heck yeah it's taken seriously. There are meetings. Lots and lots of meetings.

Ultimately any business is accountable to their customers for their product; if your product has a flaw, it's in your best interest to figure out what it was, how it happened, and to prevent it in the future. If it's possible to fix it, it's usually a good idea to fix it if you can.

Sometimes you can let things go and cool off and it blows over on its own; if that's how the reaction appears to be heading, it's financially wiser to let the problem blow itself out, so to speak. No sense in putting good money after bad, if the hullabaloo will die down.

The fact that Retake _isn't_ going away, and continues to make themselves known at every opportunity, means that it makes more financial sense to come up with some kind of solution to the problem. Simple as that.

ETA: It's important that it remain civil, though. Civil campaigns get a lot farther than angry ones.

I love it when people who are actually in the industry speak up. Your analysis makes complete sense to me.

So, I pose a question to the people that want us to stop - Why?

Modifié par kbct, 04 avril 2012 - 09:54 .

[John Epler]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

jesus..who cares anymore,game was released ages ago.
just spamming and boring the hell out of people flogging this deceased equine.

take up trainspotting or something.

anyway..not ME related,doesnt belong here.

I love how often this reasoning is coming up.

"Spam"
"Not ME3 related"

Translation:

"Please go away and stop complaining."

Or, simply follow the rules of the forum. We aren't locking threads based on whether they're positive or negative, we're locking them based on whether or not they follow our rules - and whether they actually attempt a discussion.

This thread attempts discussion so it's being left open. Single line threads that put forward nothing to talk about are being locked.

[Spanking Machine]

Tazzmission wrote...

i would love to go to pax and bust up the take back movement

On the internet, everyone is a tough guy.

[Tazzmission]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i would love to go to pax and bust up the take back movement

-As a guy with a background in Spin, Id love to see you go there and do it. You have zero idea how much goodwill that would get the Retakers and how much Bioware would have to distance themselves from you.

i oviously know alot more than you ever could and that is reality

hell im not apart of the gaming buisness and you should thank me for that because if i had to deal with fans like you i would pull a jeniffer helper.


whats next tough guy? your gona go throw another fit if bioware dosent say you get a new ending?

lets face it its people like you who will be the death of the gaming industry because no matter what it given to you you still argue.

and another thing i have seen posters claim there in the buisness wich i think is a load of crock because if thats the case why are they online in a internet forum?


just watch come friday posters are going to do what they do best and twist words around and continue to complain