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[eddieoctane]

Stv187 wrote...

http://kotaku.com/58...cheat-basically

Well, I've found what my little brother will be spending his hard-earned money on. Can't say I'm surprised after the supply packs in ME3 could be bought.

[Alexius]

Red Dust wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

Amazing. Just amazing.

Wow, and he has the nerve to say it out loud?
Well, have to say: the sountrack fits.

[clarkusdarkus]

to be fair iv'e gone from buying 9-10 new games a year to 2-3 at best, its games like mass effect 3, skyrim that keep me interested in games on console as havent a clue how to build a pc. but with mass effect 3 being shoddy and not alot on the horizen i wont be purchasing much from EA anyway

[The Angry One]

WarpedAcorn wrote...

I actually AGREE with this practice. The game has been out awhile and if you are just getting into it then you are at a HUGE disadvantage by not having very good guns on top of having practice with the game. Its not cheating, its a "catch up" for those who want to put money down instead of time being frustrated.

Totalbiscuit talked about this in a recent Mailbox episode and I agree absolutely. It reminded me of League of Legends where you can buy new characters directly or earn them through play.

There's a difference between allowing a balance for catchup, and deliberately creating a situation where someone becomes so invested that they will not think about how to use their money.

[nightsinger]

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

Wow... first get them addicted then milk them. Same line of thought drug dealers use to sell their stuff. How much lower can you sink, EA? 

[PseudoticA]

Shared wrote...

I have hated EA with a passion ever since they destroyed my favourite "childhood" developer: "Westwood".

^ This. C&C3 was good, i really enjoyed it, but C&C4 is on the top of my negative scale 

[Baihu1983]

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

Duh hell? And people will say ''nothing wrong with that''
 

[logan23tom78]

I disagree with this method since it's using methods of playing with and somewhat manipulating a person's mind by hitting certain psychological triggers. Selling DLC in the moment wher they mind is sucked into the game's events where your player character might die...then button to buy using real money- a clip of ammo or health pad?!

I have no real issue if this is done before matches since the mind is in another state.

This reminds me so much how the Credit Card companies (USA) would be handing out a Credit card like they were candy at colleges. We all know how that ended with a good deal of students in debt.

Has EA forgot about the player,...all they see is money..at the expense of influencing a player.

What is the limit....what is the breaking point,.....Why don't game journalists report and get on top of publishers/companies who plan or talk about doing this and expose them.

Does anyone these days watch out for the player/ consumer.....

Modifié par logan23tom78, 04 avril 2012 - 06:43 .

[Trishot]

Charging people for reloading a gun? That's too far.

I must say, I don't mind those stupid rich people buying their upgrades, in most cases skill>gear.

But casually discussing charging for reloading? That's stupid.

[PrinceHamlet82]

txmn1016 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

....

Who would admit to doing that? 

Its a shareholders meeting, therefore he is talking to people who are interested in the amount EA grows as a company because that in turn causes the stock to up in value making them, the shareholders, more money. Really this is the type of practice you see in just about every public traded company out there, it just so happens that the context for this paticular practice is video games. Is it wrong, disreputable and what not, sure it is, but thats capitalism. And so long as people continue to buy in to their product and "microtransactions" that practice will continue because fundementally, it works at making them money and growing their buisness.

So if you really don't like the practice, its simple, don't buy it and convince your friends not to buy it. Believe me, I want to buy Mass Effect DLC stuff because im interested in story and ending change/clarification, however it means in a way sacrificing my own values in terms of supporting reputable buisness practices to do it. So I'm conflicted to be sure. I do know I will avoid any and all EA games from this point forth with the exception of big franchises I really care about and then I will be rather choosy about what I buy. Small change, and wont affect EA much what I do, but it is my right as a consumer.

[Ranicus56]

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

ty for linking this.

[byzantine horse]

I will just brush this topic with the following:

Didn't Mr. Kotick, aka CEO of Activision-Blizzard, say that when he came into the indsutry he did so with "taking all the fun out of making games" in mind? I actually think that Activision-Blizzard is many times worse than EA is, both are bad however.

[mrmarcus101]

Shared wrote...

I have hated EA with a passion ever since they destroyed my favourite "childhood" developer: "Westwood".

I was madder when they killed Bullfrog.

In before lock?

[ahandsomeshark]

PrinceHamlet82 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

....

Who would admit to doing that? 

Its a shareholders meeting, therefore he is talking to people who are interested in the amount EA grows as a company because that in turn causes the stock to up in value making them, the shareholders, more money. Really this is the type of practice you see in just about every public traded company out there, it just so happens that the context for this paticular practice is video games. Is it wrong, disreputable and what not, sure it is, but thats capitalism. And so long as people continue to buy in to their product and "microtransactions" that practice will continue because fundementally, it works at making them money and growing their buisness.

So if you really don't like the practice, its simple, don't buy it and convince your friends not to buy it. Believe me, I want to buy Mass Effect DLC stuff because im interested in story and ending change/clarification, however it means in a way sacrificing my own values in terms of supporting reputable buisness practices to do it. So I'm conflicted to be sure. I do know I will avoid any and all EA games from this point forth with the exception of big franchises I really care about and then I will be rather choosy about what I buy. Small change, and wont affect EA much what I do, but it is my right as a consumer.

It's also why so many pubically traded companies are suddenly falling apart. Too much focus on short-term money making. It leads to statements like this that turn consumers away hence for all his rhetoric to his share holdings EA's stock price has been sinking for years. This kind of talk will get you short-term investors but eventually they'll leave too when the profit isn't actually there. If EA was smart they'd be talking about their long-term place in the market and how they'd outlast some of their competitors who are oversaturating now for a quick turn in profit...but that's assuming he got a bunch of share holders with a brain. 


tl;dr publically traded gaming companies are likely all doomed barring some massive shift.

Also EA already knows most fans will think like you "I'll avoid all games except Big Franchises" if you look at their last couple release schedules that's exactly what they've been counting on, and it's how we get rushed games like ME3, because they knew gamers were going to pay for it regardless because it was a big name IP.

[AlexXIV]

Isichar wrote...

I say instead of having spare ammo in games, we upload are credit card info and let them charge us for every time we reload.

You're out of ammo, visit our EA store to buy additional thermo clips with Bioware points.

Btw in MP you can either buy your upgrades with credits (earned in missions) or ... with Bioware points. Just saying.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 04 avril 2012 - 06:52 .

[logan23tom78]

"So if you really don't like the practice, its simple, don't buy it and convince your friends not to buy it."

This defense only works if you are not manipulating the psyche of the consumer. We are coming close to this time with marketing and using in game mechanics to prey on the consumer to make a few extra bucks.

If share holders see nothing wrong with this then i say there is something wrong with the shareholder. We consumers are people not a number value.

Shareholders or the CEOs are being too detached..or...they don't understand ,..or is it they don't care..about the consumer.

That youtube video just makes you wonder...about the future of game industry and companies...

There can be a way to do this without preying on the consumer.

[Bourne Endeavor]

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

I swear, I hope EA tries this. They would basically create Call of Duty's new ad campaign, free of charge. "Call of Duty 5! We don't charge for ammo!"

[Saberchic]

wheelierdan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

that genuinely disturbed me.

Me too. Oh my god. That's just evil.

[Vanguard Of Destruction]

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.

Wowww. And I remember reading that the Bioware founders said "that they can learn a lot from this guy" *facepalm

[Pain Train]

Personally, I like the idea of paying for what you will use. HOWEVER, the initial product must be WORTH the initial investment and its offering price should be much lower. If people get started in a good quality experience, they will pay for more if they don't feel that they have over paid to begin with. The problem with EA and others is that they make everyone pay a premium for the initial product that is often incomplete, buggy and with key features purposely left out.

My thoughts on how it could work would be to use EA's Madden: Base offline game with full features $30, if you want to play online +$10, add online leagues +10, add MUT +$10... Thus, you buy what you plan on using OR you can pay a premium for ALL the modes in one bundle ($60). The way it is currently is like paying full price for a car and then being told, "oh, you want doors? That is extra. Windows? extra. CD player and AC? Extra...." And then the rage sets in. What did I pay full price for in the beginning if everything is considered extra?

EA's practice of raping developers of talent and ideas to make money and leaving destruction in their wake is well known. So it is somewhat ironic that ME contains reapers who are also only out for their own interests and how it has doomed Bioware's image.

Modifié par Pain Train, 04 avril 2012 - 06:59 .

[frylock23]

logan23tom78 wrote...

I disagree with this method since it's using methods of playing with and somewhat manipulating a person's mind by hitting certain psychological triggers. Selling DLC in the moment wher they mind is sucked into the game's events where your player character might die...then button to buy using real money- a clip of ammo or health pad?!

I have no real issue if this is done before matches since the mind is in another state.

This reminds me so much how the Credit Card companies (USA) would be handing out a Credit card like they were candy at colleges. We all know how that ended with a good deal of students in debt.

Has EA forgot about the player,...all they see is money..at the expense of influencing a player.

What is the limit....what is the breaking point,.....Why don't game journalists report and get on top of publishers/companies who plan or talk about doing this and expose them.

Does anyone these days watch out for the player/ consumer.....

This is really disturbing considering I was listening to a child psychologist talk about how they are starting to discover that if children get exposed too much to things like touch screens and certain kinds of games too much too soon, they get addicted to it.

And considering some things I've seen in  my older nephews and their behavior with their PSPs ... I can believe it. Now, factor in the idea of making them pay to do certain things they are habituated and addicted to want to do and do often almost every day for hours on end ...

It start to make Big Gaming look like Big Tobacco doesn't it?

I know as a parent it makes me start to rethink how I'll be raising my son where games and handhelds are concerned.

[Militarized]

As a BF3 player I actually don't have to big a problem with this... new players get rocked, absolutely rocked, because they haven't unlocked everything. Personally I think the whole unlocking mechanic is dumb and I'd get rid of it. I can see the reason for the pack, but I dislike them for implementing the design that requires it... so I still hate EA for it just for a different reason, since I don't consider it cheating.

[Japkap79]

The reason for the DLC that i see it is the big gap, for new players compared to veteran bf3 players with full gear or close to it, to put it another way in a mmo context, you get placed in an arena with a small dagger and you are being paired up with a dude in armor and with a big 2handed sword, your standing there in cloth with a small rusty dagger. Then they release the DLC that you can buy the stuff that someone else earn'd through hours and hours of gameplay, but he is getting an advantage over you by buying it?, that is the whole reason for the OMG issue, but i had to play for so long to get this and he can just pay actual money for it, it is a choice not required for a person to play, and not everyone has the time to game for 1 hour or 2hours that some of the bigger maps might take.

Makes me think of an old mmo issue with people saying it is to hard we want that epic stuff give it to us for no time spent actually learning a boss fight, they nerfed the boss to the extreme, so people could farm there gear, this is the same deal but in a fps perspective with guns and kits for classes.

Dont see the big EA issue with the DLC's because it would be a big gap for a new player or the ones who dont have the whole day to play bf3 or any game, all the game company's are currently making there games more accessible to the main stream users, they are making these DLC's to get more people into the games and also to get more people for you to kill ingame.

I dont give a damn if someone gets most of the gear that i worked hard to unlock the easy way with the DLC, because i had fun getting the gear for the most part but yeah some of it was not always fun, but they dont get the same feeling when they just buy the DLC packs with the class kit unlocks, i can recall when i finally got my m240B and how it just ripped enemy's appart, but i will bet you that the new weapons and such will not help a new sniper in BF3 compared to a sniper who unlocked it the hardway, the drop and all of it is a learning experience so they will need time to adapt.

ATM anything EA does is about money for the majority of the people who have an issue with them, big surprise it is a company they need to make money in order to make new games and develope new technologies for improving games, but not everything they do is to stick it to the gamers or average person, it is all about perspective and if you are angry with a company or person you will be judgemental and have preconceived ideas about there motives.

So basically what im trying to say is we are people with different ideas and they all matter in our own minds, but might not always be seen equally important by others or wrong, but i as a person dont see the problem in them giving people the choice of buying the kits, because i have my kits now and im having a blast, so why not let the new players do the same.

[logan23tom78]

Maybe someone needs to REtake the Game industry back from Greed.

Put it back in the hands who care about Game, the community and will use methods to provide a good product and use methods to make money for their industry without losing their soul.

[ahandsomeshark]

frylock23 wrote...

logan23tom78 wrote...

I disagree with this method since it's using methods of playing with and somewhat manipulating a person's mind by hitting certain psychological triggers. Selling DLC in the moment wher they mind is sucked into the game's events where your player character might die...then button to buy using real money- a clip of ammo or health pad?!

I have no real issue if this is done before matches since the mind is in another state.

This reminds me so much how the Credit Card companies (USA) would be handing out a Credit card like they were candy at colleges. We all know how that ended with a good deal of students in debt.

Has EA forgot about the player,...all they see is money..at the expense of influencing a player.

What is the limit....what is the breaking point,.....Why don't game journalists report and get on top of publishers/companies who plan or talk about doing this and expose them.

Does anyone these days watch out for the player/ consumer.....

This is really disturbing considering I was listening to a child psychologist talk about how they are starting to discover that if children get exposed too much to things like touch screens and certain kinds of games too much too soon, they get addicted to it.

that's really not just children, that's a dopamine feedback that happens to everyone. Certain personalities (and certain ages) are just more susceptible to it. Especially if randomized sufficiently. It's how ALL gaming industries work. (the ultimate example being a slot machine)