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Japkap79 wrote...

The reason for the DLC that i see it is the big gap, for new players compared to veteran bf3 players with full gear or close to it, to put it another way in a mmo context, you get placed in an arena with a small dagger and you are being paired up with a dude in armor and with a big 2handed sword, your standing there in cloth with a small rusty dagger. Then they release the DLC that you can buy the stuff that someone else earn'd through hours and hours of gameplay, but he is getting an advantage over you by buying it?, that is the whole reason for the OMG issue, but i had to play for so long to get this and he can just pay actual money for it, it is a choice not required for a person to play, and not everyone has the time to game for 1 hour or 2hours that some of the bigger maps might take.

Makes me think of an old mmo issue with people saying it is to hard we want that epic stuff give it to us for no time spent actually learning a boss fight, they nerfed the boss to the extreme, so people could farm there gear, this is the same deal but in a fps perspective with guns and kits for classes.

Dont see the big EA issue with the DLC's because it would be a big gap for a new player or the ones who dont have the whole day to play bf3 or any game, all the game company's are currently making there games more accessible to the main stream users, they are making these DLC's to get more people into the games and also to get more people for you to kill ingame.

I dont give a damn if someone gets most of the gear that i worked hard to unlock the easy way with the DLC, because i had fun getting the gear for the most part but yeah some of it was not always fun, but they dont get the same feeling when they just buy the DLC packs with the class kit unlocks, i can recall when i finally got my m240B and how it just ripped enemy's appart, but i will bet you that the new weapons and such will not help a new sniper in BF3 compared to a sniper who unlocked it the hardway, the drop and all of it is a learning experience so they will need time to adapt.

ATM anything EA does is about money for the majority of the people who have an issue with them, big surprise it is a company they need to make money in order to make new games and develope new technologies for improving games, but not everything they do is to stick it to the gamers or average person, it is all about perspective and if you are angry with a company or person you will be judgemental and have preconceived ideas about there motives.

So basically what im trying to say is we are people with different ideas and they all matter in our own minds, but might not always be seen equally important by others or wrong, but i as a person dont see the problem in them giving people the choice of buying the kits, because i have my kits now and im having a blast, so why not let the new players do the same.


And how hard would it be to scale the arena to match players up with other players who have playing for a similar length of time? I wouldn't think it would be that hard and it would solve the problem of matching newbs with old pros, but then there wouldn't be any pressure on the newbs to buy their way into the upper gear levels to have some chance of being viable would it?

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ahandsomeshark wrote...

PrinceHamlet82 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.


....:blink:

Who would admit to doing that? 


Its a shareholders meeting, therefore he is talking to people who are interested in the amount EA grows as a company because that in turn causes the stock to up in value making them, the shareholders, more money. Really this is the type of practice you see in just about every public traded company out there, it just so happens that the context for this paticular practice is video games. Is it wrong, disreputable and what not, sure it is, but thats capitalism. And so long as people continue to buy in to their product and "microtransactions" that practice will continue because fundementally, it works at making them money and growing their buisness.

So if you really don't like the practice, its simple, don't buy it and convince your friends not to buy it. Believe me, I want to buy Mass Effect DLC stuff because im interested in story and ending change/clarification, however it means in a way sacrificing my own values in terms of supporting reputable buisness practices to do it. So I'm conflicted to be sure. I do know I will avoid any and all EA games from this point forth with the exception of big franchises I really care about and then I will be rather choosy about what I buy. Small change, and wont affect EA much what I do, but it is my right as a consumer.




Also EA already knows most fans will think like you "I'll avoid all games except Big Franchises" if you look at their last couple release schedules that's exactly what they've been counting on, and it's how we get rushed games like ME3, because they knew gamers were going to pay for it regardless because it was a big name IP.


Heh, oh believe me, I know they know. That's the problem and why I said I'd be conflicted. Its the same as if say George R Martin finally released book 7 (a pipe dream I know, but the wait isn't as bad as what some faced with Stephen Kings Dark Tower Series) as the final book in Ice and Fire and then withheld the last chapters as incrimental DLC releases. I would be pissed, but I would still buy it, because I'm suckered in. Same is true for Mass Effect. It's a problem and unfortunent.

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Japkap79 wrote...

The reason for the DLC that i see it is the big gap, for new players compared to veteran bf3 players with full gear or close to it, to put it another way in a mmo context, you get placed in an arena with a small dagger and you are being paired up with a dude in armor and with a big 2handed sword, your standing there in cloth with a small rusty dagger. Then they release the DLC that you can buy the stuff that someone else earn'd through hours and hours of gameplay, but he is getting an advantage over you by buying it?, that is the whole reason for the OMG issue, but i had to play for so long to get this and he can just pay actual money for it, it is a choice not required for a person to play, and not everyone has the time to game for 1 hour or 2hours that some of the bigger maps might take.


it would make more semse to just impliment some kind of division, like ME3 has with bronze, silver, and gold mode, where neobs could learn and unlock. Not just handing crap to them if they feel like paying for it.

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Yeah, good stuff, EA.

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PrinceHamlet82 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

PrinceHamlet82 wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.


....:blink:

Who would admit to doing that? 


Its a shareholders meeting, therefore he is talking to people who are interested in the amount EA grows as a company because that in turn causes the stock to up in value making them, the shareholders, more money. Really this is the type of practice you see in just about every public traded company out there, it just so happens that the context for this paticular practice is video games. Is it wrong, disreputable and what not, sure it is, but thats capitalism. And so long as people continue to buy in to their product and "microtransactions" that practice will continue because fundementally, it works at making them money and growing their buisness.

So if you really don't like the practice, its simple, don't buy it and convince your friends not to buy it. Believe me, I want to buy Mass Effect DLC stuff because im interested in story and ending change/clarification, however it means in a way sacrificing my own values in terms of supporting reputable buisness practices to do it. So I'm conflicted to be sure. I do know I will avoid any and all EA games from this point forth with the exception of big franchises I really care about and then I will be rather choosy about what I buy. Small change, and wont affect EA much what I do, but it is my right as a consumer.




Also EA already knows most fans will think like you "I'll avoid all games except Big Franchises" if you look at their last couple release schedules that's exactly what they've been counting on, and it's how we get rushed games like ME3, because they knew gamers were going to pay for it regardless because it was a big name IP.


Heh, oh believe me, I know they know. That's the problem and why I said I'd be conflicted. Its the same as if say George R Martin finally released book 7 (a pipe dream I know, but the wait isn't as bad as what some faced with Stephen Kings Dark Tower Series) as the final book in Ice and Fire and then withheld the last chapters as incrimental DLC releases. I would be pissed, but I would still buy it, because I'm suckered in. Same is true for Mass Effect. It's a problem and unfortunent.




You can always just wait a few extra days, maybe a week, and buy the big name game used. Then you get your game and EA sees no profit from it. 

The used market is basically an undiscovered weapon of mass destruction, it's why publishers are trying to destroy it.

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I honestly don't care. It'll just mean more noobs who spent their cash on weapons they don't know how to use anyway. It'll give me easier kills with my delicious free weapons. And they deserve to be slaughtered anyway if they buy that.

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 wait, hold on...

$30... for the ultimate cheater's bundle...

www.youtube.com/watch

EA started off alright, now they're just evil.

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wheelierdan wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.


that genuinely disturbed me.

Seen it before and it still genuinely anger me. It is just so... wrong. It makes me sick.

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Erixxxx wrote...

I honestly don't care. It'll just mean more noobs who spent their cash on weapons they don't know how to use anyway. It'll give me easier kills with my delicious free weapons. And they deserve to be slaughtered anyway if they buy that.


Would you care if they say you have to buy gas for your BF3 vehicle.

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Stv187 wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

I honestly don't care. It'll just mean more noobs who spent their cash on weapons they don't know how to use anyway. It'll give me easier kills with my delicious free weapons. And they deserve to be slaughtered anyway if they buy that.


Would you care if they say you have to buy gas for your BF3 vehicle.


The thing is that the stuff is available for free still. And those who actually earned their unlocks will still be the better players. Buying weapons won't make you better, gaining experience from playing will.

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The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.


I actually feel sorry for him. One day he will realise what kind of person he is, and then it will be too late.

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Erixxxx wrote...

Stv187 wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

I honestly don't care. It'll just mean more noobs who spent their cash on weapons they don't know how to use anyway. It'll give me easier kills with my delicious free weapons. And they deserve to be slaughtered anyway if they buy that.


Would you care if they say you have to buy gas for your BF3 vehicle.


The thing is that the stuff is available for free still. And those who actually earned their unlocks will still be the better players. Buying weapons won't make you better, gaining experience from playing will.

Crap! I hope I didn't give them any ideas.Image IPB

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Idiots buy it...

EA will never make money off of me that way! If it ever gets down to buy to win I'll just not play that EA game.

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Unfortunately it doesnt look like EA will give up this kind of practise any time soon, in fact the betting is it gets even worse. The sad truth is that EA has essentially become so large it is all but untouchable, it controlls such a large share of the industry that It feels it can serve consumers the same regurgitated garbage over and over again, and then charge them for DLC without suffering any sort of retribution, and all the while their profit margins soar.

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The Angry One wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

And that.


He's still not worse then Kotick.

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DavidMW wrote...

Idiots buy it...

EA will never make money off of me that way! If it ever gets down to buy to win I'll just not play that EA game.

What's funny is they did almost the EXACT same thing with Battlefield Bad Company 2.

Buy all guns for this class or that class, or buy all the classes.

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stalin931 wrote...

Unfortunately it doesnt look like EA will give up this kind of practise any time soon, in fact the betting is it gets even worse. The sad truth is that EA has essentially become so large it is all but untouchable, it controlls such a large share of the industry that It feels it can serve consumers the same regurgitated garbage over and over again, and then charge them for DLC without suffering any sort of retribution, and all the while their profit margins soar.

Agreed. Between EA and Activision the industry isn't going to improve until as an industry those two get it figured out how best to manage and micro manage there products.

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Sparse wrote...

Item stores are the way that MMOs are going now. Suppose it was inevitable it would filter down to every multiplayer platform.


Nop, it's how dying MMO's are going.

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After seeing that video and looking at the responses, I'm reminded of "In Time" with Justin Timberlake.

It's not capitalism; it's corporatism that's at work, but people are too blind to see it. We are all (even the ones who know what's coming but can't get out because of their unthinking neighbor) frogs in the pot of boiling water.

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Like I said in another post............E/A is gonna milk that MP crap, and I'm not buying into it.

OCD sufferers beware, this is just evil marketting.

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byzantine horse wrote...

I will just brush this topic with the following:

Didn't Mr. Kotick, aka CEO of Activision-Blizzard, say that when he came into the indsutry he did so with "taking all the fun out of making games" in mind? I actually think that Activision-Blizzard is many times worse than EA is, both are bad however.


Well, so far I haven't been asked to pay anything beyond the game price for SC2 (EDIT: nor can you pay to cheat on that one), so they don't seem so bad to me yet. All this stuff that EA is pulling though... that youtube video was apalling.

Guess I'll just try to throw my money more to companies like CD Projekt RED, who still seem to care about gamers too (free new content :wizard:)

Modifié par Taesuun, 04 avril 2012 - 08:31 .


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And all we can do to stp them is not to buy DLC's like this.
Only pay for something that has a fair ratio of money to content.

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What the hell is wrong with EA!?

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Not ME3 related, sorry.

Locking.