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[TRISTAN WERBE]

Ah yes "New Endings" EA has dismissed this claim

[AtlasMickey]

DungeonHoek wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

You know, the way the "hold the line" opposers and supporters are going at it is almost as stupid as the ending to ME3.

Considering the ending is in fact not stupid, I will take that as a compliment, with the momentary sadness from knowing the other guys will still have to feel insulted.

Ha! Even YOU say the Normandy scene is out of order. 
The ending is fundamentally broken and you know it.

I do not! Just that it lacks detail, specifically the kind of detail that would have been nice to illustrate so that there'd be no question, preventing quack theories like indoc from getting in the way of real thoughtful discussion. 

The fundamentals are strong and they are not going anywhere.

The line will fall, but real fans of Mass Effect have no end. Years after the line has been eradicated and fogotten, we will endure.

You're backtracking, you lack faith in your arguement of how awesome and superb the game is. And you are only seeking to be obnoxious against the Re-Takers.

No, I admit that seeing both of final squad mates walk out on to the planet was quite a jolt. I thought, "how did that happen???" But then I then I thought through it and used common sense. You may have heard of it. The squad mates retreated, either because they were ordered to or because, as they all indicated, they didn't want to be part of a second suicide mission. Good for them. I wouldn't have asked them to be a part of one anyways, and neither should anyone who actually cared about them. 

I don't have faith in my argument. I have confidence that the core narrative of Mass Effect 3 will stand on its own. It really does not need explanation. I'm only here because I'm an enthusiast and I like thinking through and explaining things, not because I think you need it to be explained.

And right now I am having a but of fun quoting Sovreign. If I'm not having some fun posting here, why bother. 

Make no mistake. You are the trolls. I am the fan.

[Sesshaku]

phat0817 wrote...

Somebody use a picture of Hudson and write

"Hey would I lie?"

Id like to see that floating around as a reminder.
I can see that as personal attack and removed but still the point would hit home.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 04 avril 2012 - 11:44 .

[Wolvy]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

ronbo_68 wrote...

Are you generalizing by saying anyone who liked the ending must have low standards? I am sure there are some people who may disagree with you. Also just as supporters of different endings or new endings tend to agree that because they want them does not make them entitled. There are people on both sidesof this issue and each has their own right to voice their opinion but attacking the standards of people or clumping them together does not help the issue. 

Which is why I edited my post. There's too much of that crap going on and it's finally starting to get to me.

LOL   It is all good Rocket. I can understand what you mean and agree with you. :happy:

[adembroski]

ericjdev wrote...

Did you fire him, because outside of that I'm having trouble figuring how anything related to him might qualify as great.

This is ridiculous. There wouldn't be a Mass Effect without him. The ending was ridiculous, but everything else he's done has been gold.

[apieros]

The Angry One wrote...

No. They have the exact same implications. Mass relays destroyed. Crew marooned. Galaxy doomed. 10,000 year dark age.

Other than that it's a 3 way split of Choose Your Warcrime.

And verily was the troll smacked down... 

Modifié par apieros, 04 avril 2012 - 11:45 .

[AtlasMickey]

cutegigi wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I do not! Just that it lacks detail, specifically the kind of detail that would have been nice to illustrate so that there'd be no question, preventing quack theories like indoc from getting in the way of real thoughtful discussion. 

The fundamentals are strong and they are not going anywhere.

The line will fall, but real fans of Mass Effect have no end. Years after the line has been eradicated and fogotten, we will endure.

good for you.
current Bioware/EA need a lot of fans like you.

Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

[Mesmurae]

AtlasMickey wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I do not! Just that it lacks detail, specifically the kind of detail that would have been nice to illustrate so that there'd be no question, preventing quack theories like indoc from getting in the way of real thoughtful discussion. 

The fundamentals are strong and they are not going anywhere.

The line will fall, but real fans of Mass Effect have no end. Years after the line has been eradicated and fogotten, we will endure.

good for you.
current Bioware/EA need a lot of fans like you.

Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

All four of you...

[The Angry One]

AtlasMickey wrote...
Make no mistake. You are the trolls. I am the fan.

Do you think you're doing BioWare a favour?
Do you think a true fan blindly accepts what they are given without critique?

You are only speeding BioWare's descent into mediocrity. By blindly accepting this ending, you are slapping the face of the talented individuals who made Mass Effect 3 such a great game.
You are showing your lack of appreciation for the story and the choices we were given. Tuchanka, Rannoch, etc.

You are endorsing the idea that two people can ignore the rest of the team and brush all over their work.
You are accepting that ego comes before a quality product.

You are not a true BioWare fan. We are. I don't know what you are a fan of.

Modifié par The Angry One, 04 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[NubXL]

Not sure why anyone would take them too seriously after all their lies before launch. They clearly enjoy blowing smoke up everyone's ass.

[Mesmurae]

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Make no mistake. You are the trolls. I am the fan.

Do you think you're doing BioWare a favour?
Do you think a true fan blindly accepts what they are given without critique?

You are only speeding BioWare's descent into mediocrity. By blindly accepting this ending, you are slapping the face of the talented individuals who made Mass Effect 3 such a great game.
You are showing your lack of appreciation for the story and the choices we were given. Tuchanka, Rannoch, etc.

You are endorsing the idea that two people can ignore the rest of the team and brush all over their work.
You are accepting that ego comese before a quality product.

You are not a true BioWare fan. We are. I don't know what you are a fan of.

Let the deluded remain deluded. If you could reason with fools, there would be no fools.

[RocketManSR2]

AtlasMickey wrote...

No, I admit that seeing both of final squad mates walk out on to the planet was quite a jolt. I thought, "how did that happen???" But then I then I thought through it and used common sense. You may have heard of it. The squad mates retreated, either because they were ordered to or because, as they all indicated, they didn't want to be part of a second suicide mission. Good for them. I wouldn't have asked them to be a part of one anyways, and neither should anyone who actually cared about them. 

I don't have faith in my argument. I have confidence that the core narrative of Mass Effect 3 will stand on its own. It really does not need explanation. I'm only here because I'm an enthusiast and I like thinking through and explaining things, not because I think you need it to be explained.

And right now I am having a but of fun quoting Sovreign. If I'm not having some fun posting here, why bother. 

Make no mistake. You are the trolls. I am the fan.

You tried to use common sense to make sense of the nonsensical?

https://encrypted-tb...K-v90CJj3dK_F0w

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 04 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[AtlasMickey]

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I do not! Just that it lacks detail, specifically the kind of detail that would have been nice to illustrate so that there'd be no question, preventing quack theories like indoc from getting in the way of real thoughtful discussion.

You cannot have a thoughtful discussion about an ending that was made without any thought.

The fundamentals are strong and they are not going anywhere.

Explain how they're not all dead from a flash dose of ionizing radiation then.
Without speculating.

The line will fall, but real fans of Mass Effect have no end. Years after the line has been eradicated and fogotten, we will endure.

You keep telling yourself that, sparky.

Your words are as empty as your future. Your line will fall.

[liggy002]

All speculation. Wait for PAX and see what happens. Don't hope for the best in case they let you down. If they offer the news we want, then we will be pleasantly surprised (hopefully).

[The Angry One]

AtlasMickey wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I do not! Just that it lacks detail, specifically the kind of detail that would have been nice to illustrate so that there'd be no question, preventing quack theories like indoc from getting in the way of real thoughtful discussion.

You cannot have a thoughtful discussion about an ending that was made without any thought.

The fundamentals are strong and they are not going anywhere.

Explain how they're not all dead from a flash dose of ionizing radiation then.
Without speculating.

The line will fall, but real fans of Mass Effect have no end. Years after the line has been eradicated and fogotten, we will endure.

You keep telling yourself that, sparky.

Your words are as empty as your future. Your line will fall.

Concession accepted.

[Versidious]

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Nyila wrote...

Fruit of the Doom wrote...

Versidious wrote...
Dude, wait, what? Go how far?  :-S  I looked at the trailers (again, because, you know, I watched them loads before ME3 came out), which presumably you also did, tried to see what you were talking about, saw something different, then explained what I saw to you. How is that 'going far'? As for them taking place simultaneously, they're not. The full trailer scene is during the initial attack. The VO says in the second one that it's over a week AFTER the initial attack. It's really simple.

Attempting to make sense of it at all is pretty pointless.

Otherwise you'll find yourself trying to explain the remarkable coincidence of him shooting a husk attacking the same mother and child from a clocktower on two different occasions.

Oh, too late.

Can you just give each other a giant hug? <3

We were having a nice discussion about the trailers, and now he's being mean for no reason.

I'm sorry 


Here is a picture of stupid sexy Garrus to make up:



<3

Apologies accepted. I'm a straight man... except for when it comes to Garrus Brokarian, the Brorian from Brolaven. The only person with as much Bro is Brodnot Wrex, the Brogan from Brochanka! But he's nowhere near as sexy...

Modifié par Versidious, 04 avril 2012 - 11:51 .

[Militarized]

tobito113 wrote...

There is no goalpost moving here. You argue that there is no diference with the endings exept for the color, i show you the diferences, you claim that its all the same because SOME parts of the endings are the same.

I made no strawman because it was YOU who argued that what shep did is no better than what the reapers were about to do, and i remind you that the reapers are trying to murder everyone while shep save trillions of lifes from death. But i doubt youll see the diference.

There is nothing insulting about that, stop claming that anything you dont agree with is a personal insult . Its just how Bioware decided to change the state of the galaxy and i am very happy about this. I dont believe in any Adam and Eve myth but i realy like the implication of the scenes and the fact that multiple cultures will have to rebuild themselves.

Again, if all you can do is exagerate and make insane arguments like this, having a discussion is pointless.

My reply to you was specifically about the destruction of the civilizations, the ending no matter which you choose faciliates those civilizations no longer existing. The crucible it's self =  a new galactic dark age irrespective of which ending you choose. Your original point I refuted was that you saved the civilization, you didn't... then you switched it to "saving people and being thankful to be alive". That's a goalpost move, whether you deny it or not. 

Also, the sequences are pretty much the same, there are only very minor differences in each cinematic. You are not shown the consequences of your choice so they are all essentially the same. In the ingame file they are even labeled as Red Green and Blue... even Bioware boils it down to a color coded system within their own files. The only difference is the very limited amount of information you're given that each color represents, you are left to headcanon that ending and what it might mean. That's poor story telling, and that's objective not subjective. 

You did make a strawman, I made no such claim that what Shep did was equivalent to what the Reapers did(though under certain circumstances it could actually be worse, like the if the Relays = a supernova. We're given no information that what you're seeing ISN'T a supernova... it's all subjective). Your strawman was building up an image that I was saying people wouldn't be thankful to be alive, etc, etc... which was wrong and not even my argument. 

The last part I wrote is obviously my subjective opinion, I found it insulting, you obviously didn't which is fine. Why you're happy that they destroyed the Mass Effect IP in the last 5 minutes of the game is something I would question, but hey some people like that weak writing tactic of just flipping the reset button. 

[Mev186]

AtlasMickey wrote...


Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

Then we will fight in the shade.

Seriously though, even if you had numbers on your  side it doesn't make the endings good. Example: Twilight.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

 https://encrypted-tb...4xCVNnz6fKlPNAg

[Mesmurae]

Mev186 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...


Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

Then we will fight in the shade.

Seriously though, even if you had numbers on your  side it doesn't make the endings good. Example: Twilight.

Great example.

Still, pro-enders are clearly in the minority. Mass Effect fans are smarter than Twilight fans, so we know how to spot terrible writing.

[The Angry One]

Mev186 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...


Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

Then we will fight in the shade.

Seriously though, even if you had numbers on your  side it doesn't make the endings good. Example: Twilight.

You have to appreciate the irony of using good writing (Sovereign) to defend horrendously bad writing that directly neuters everything Sovereign said.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

 [smilie]https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRkZD-qZYE_6QwsFdxooepJwoh2NKZGvUHt6R3___6mm2Wfzi7[/smilie]

[AtlasMickey]

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Make no mistake. You are the trolls. I am the fan.

Do you think you're doing BioWare a favour?
Do you think a true fan blindly accepts what they are given without critique?

You are only speeding BioWare's descent into mediocrity. By blindly accepting this ending, you are slapping the face of the talented individuals who made Mass Effect 3 such a great game.
You are showing your lack of appreciation for the story and the choices we were given. Tuchanka, Rannoch, etc.

You are endorsing the idea that two people can ignore the rest of the team and brush all over their work.
You are accepting that ego comes before a quality product.

You are not a true BioWare fan. We are. I don't know what you are a fan of.

No, I am not here to do BioWare any favors. I'm here to show my appreciation for them, to bestow praise, and love for their work.

A true fan doesn't blindly accept, but they do accept, which is more than can be said for you. My critiques are manifold.

[Keltikone]

Sesshaku wrote...

phat0817 wrote...

Somebody use a picture of Hudson and write

"Hey would I lie?"

Id like to see that floating around as a reminder.
I can see that as personal attack and removed but still the point would hit home.

Being colour blind ruined my Mass Effect experience and now you mock me ?!?!??




J/k, the ending ruined my Mass Effect experience.

[Mesmurae]

AtlasMickey wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Make no mistake. You are the trolls. I am the fan.

Do you think you're doing BioWare a favour?
Do you think a true fan blindly accepts what they are given without critique?

You are only speeding BioWare's descent into mediocrity. By blindly accepting this ending, you are slapping the face of the talented individuals who made Mass Effect 3 such a great game.
You are showing your lack of appreciation for the story and the choices we were given. Tuchanka, Rannoch, etc.

You are endorsing the idea that two people can ignore the rest of the team and brush all over their work.
You are accepting that ego comes before a quality product.

You are not a true BioWare fan. We are. I don't know what you are a fan of.

No, I am not here to do BioWare any favors. I'm here to show my appreciation for them, to bestow praise, and love for their work.

A true fan doesn't blindly accept, but they do accept, which is more than can be said for you. My critiques are manifold.

Please, go on.

Nobody has made me laugh this hard in quite some time.