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I do. What or how Bioware came to the conclusion to finish the game in the manner they did, it doesn't matter me. We have an issue with for the majority the final 97% of the finished product at the end of the day on the BSN. I say the guy did a pretty damn good job over the entire series if it's only the final 3% of the game that people don't like.olf1 wrote...
I'm I the only one who still likes and respects Casey?
How do you know I'm not bald? Odds are I only wish I looked like Miranda.DungeonHoek wrote...
Child, if I was trolling. You would be tearing your hair out.
But what you have presented here is so full of garbage, I find it astounding. You don't have faith in your arguement, but confidence in that the core narrative of Mass Effect 3 will stand on its own. You yourself declared it awesome and superb, yet, don't hold faith in what you say. Thus, you are actively stating you don't believe what you are saying. That is what is called being a hypocrite.
The fact of if the ending needs explination or not is subjective from person to person. But you call me a troll because I wish for something better for everyone?, and call my fan status into question while putting yours above mine?.
A sad little attack really. Go the distance, text bomb me too. I've seen better antics.
The Angry One wrote...
AtlasMickey wrote...
No, I am not here to do BioWare any favors. I'm here to show my appreciation for them, to bestow praise, and love for their work.
Then why do you defend an ending that takes their work, puts it in a blender and sets it to purée?A true fan doesn't blindly accept, but they do accept, which is more than can be said for you. My critiques are manifold.
That is where you're mistaken. A fan does not accept something that goes against the themes of the entire series.
A fan does not sit there, recieve an inadequate product and ask for more of the same.
A fan helps the developer realise where they went wrong.
Opsrbest wrote...
I do. What or how Bioware came to the conclusion to finish the game in the manner they did, it doesn't matter me. We have an issue with for the majority the final 97% of the finished product at the end of the day on the BSN. I say the guy did a pretty damn good job over the entire series if it's only the final 3% of the game that people don't like.olf1 wrote...
I'm I the only one who still likes and respects Casey?
Grats to him.
olf1 wrote...
I'm I the only one who still likes and respects Casey?
20x6 wrote...
Keep in mind they are still in PR recovery mode.
They are building the best shield they can right before their PAX panel.
I've mentioned the term "corporate suicide" various times in my posts in the last 3 weeks. Regardless of what they do or say, it's basically over.
You break the trust of your consumer base to this level, it's like trying to make nice with, and remarry your ex wife...
I'll guarantee one thing. Heads will roll in the coming months. Voluntarily or Voluntold...ily
The Angry One wrote...
AtlasMickey wrote...
No, I am not here to do BioWare any favors. I'm here to show my appreciation for them, to bestow praise, and love for their work.
Then why do you defend an ending that takes their work, puts it in a blender and sets it to purée?A true fan doesn't blindly accept, but they do accept, which is more than can be said for you. My critiques are manifold.
That is where you're mistaken. A fan does not accept something that goes against the themes of the entire series.
A fan does not sit there, recieve an inadequate product and ask for more of the same.
A fan helps the developer realise where they went wrong.
Modifié par ronbo_68, 05 avril 2012 - 12:17 .
pikey1969 wrote...
Eh.... trying to 'define' what makes a fan is such a murky territory as it is.
That said I can't really see 'accepting' what's given as anything other than being a really generous compromise or just turning the other way in face of something that's clearly a mis-step.
Guest_Opsrbest_*
I really like your sig.AtlasMickey wrote...
How do you know I'm not bald? Odds are I only wish I looked like Miranda.DungeonHoek wrote...
Child, if I was trolling. You would be tearing your hair out.
But what you have presented here is so full of garbage, I find it astounding. You don't have faith in your arguement, but confidence in that the core narrative of Mass Effect 3 will stand on its own. You yourself declared it awesome and superb, yet, don't hold faith in what you say. Thus, you are actively stating you don't believe what you are saying. That is what is called being a hypocrite.
The fact of if the ending needs explination or not is subjective from person to person. But you call me a troll because I wish for something better for everyone?, and call my fan status into question while putting yours above mine?.
A sad little attack really. Go the distance, text bomb me too. I've seen better antics.
I am here to astound! Yes, I did forget that on my list.
I'm an atheist pretty hardcore so I get squeamish using words like "faith." Sorry if that leads to some confusion. I believe in the truth and efficacy of my statements. As for channeling Sovreign, well.... god did it?
Seriously, I call you a troll for not accepting the legitimacy of what we're all here to discuss, and negating the possibility for the discussion.
Modifié par Opsrbest, 05 avril 2012 - 12:18 .
The Angry One wrote...
pikey1969 wrote...
Eh.... trying to 'define' what makes a fan is such a murky territory as it is.
That said I can't really see 'accepting' what's given as anything other than being a really generous compromise or just turning the other way in face of something that's clearly a mis-step.
I'm merely pointing out that being heavily critical does not make someone not a fan.
In fact, it just shows how invested we are, and how important this is to us.
Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 12:19 .
AtlasMickey wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
Mev186 wrote...
AtlasMickey wrote...
Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.
Then we will fight in the shade.
Seriously though, even if you had numbers on your side it doesn't make the endings good. Example: Twilight.
You have to appreciate the irony of using good writing (Sovereign) to defend horrendously bad writing that directly neuters everything Sovereign said.
I was wondering when someone would say this... no, it really doesn't contradict it.
If you really want to see my thoughts on it, why not visit this thread that also brings up Legion's rarely seen renegade comments from ME2.
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No one has responded to my comments there, yet. My wall of text seems to have stopped the thread dead lol.
I fully admit that the Mass Effect 3 story and ending requires a person to think through it, but that's one of the reasons why I enjoy it. I would hope that Mass Effect appeals to people who like to actually think about these issues and not stop thinking because they reach some uncomfortable impasse.
tobito113 wrote...
Ketten wrote...
tobito113 wrote...
Ketten wrote...
It's funny when pro-enders assume that because we dislike the ending(s) to a beloved franchise that we automatically disassociate ourselves from BioWare and have proclaimed them the anti-christ of gaming.
We respect and love BioWare for what they have developed and for who they are, otherwise we wouldn't be here complaining about a trilogy that deserves better.
Its really hard for anyone to come to this forums and believe what you just said.
Maybe you're just looking at the radicals. I do admit, they are more fun to read. ;P
I just did a check on the story forums. There not a SINGLE positive tread about what people like about this game, or the fact that they apreciate Biowares work on ME3. All i see is how bioware must die or how EA is the anti christ or how evil Casey is for not giving them a better ending. Go to the story board yourself you wont find a single positive tread. This is what the ME fanbase is all about these days.
Zenyattaa wrote...
He's still a lying manipulative ass. I wouldn't trust him if he said the grass is green, the sky is blue and there's water in the ocean.
Zenyattaa wrote...
He's still a lying manipulative ass. I wouldn't trust him if he said the grass is green, the sky is blue and there's water in the ocean.
ericjdev wrote...
olf1 wrote...
I'm I the only one who still likes and respects Casey?
I don't know if you're the only one but I'm definitely not looking to join his fan club.
Modifié par Fdmatt, 05 avril 2012 - 12:22 .
Opsrbest wrote...
I do. What or how Bioware came to the conclusion to finish the game in the manner they did, it doesn't matter me. We have an issue with for the majority the final 97% of the finished product at the end of the day on the BSN. I say the guy did a pretty damn good job over the entire series if it's only the final 3% of the game that people don't like.olf1 wrote...
I'm I the only one who still likes and respects Casey?
Grats to him.
I love the ME trilogy and im happy that i had the to experience such a great story. I have a deep respect for its creators (unlike the rest of "fanbase"). I am looking foward to more dlc content including more romance scenes tho.
Pretty sad. I think this is what they mean by "entitelement."The Angry One wrote...
AtlasMickey wrote...
No, I am not here to do BioWare any favors. I'm here to show my appreciation for them, to bestow praise, and love for their work.
Then why do you defend an ending that takes their work, puts it in a blender and sets it to purée?A true fan doesn't blindly accept, but they do accept, which is more than can be said for you. My critiques are manifold.
That is where you're mistaken. A fan does not accept something that goes against the themes of the entire series.
A fan does not sit there, recieve an inadequate product and ask for more of the same.
A fan helps the developer realise where they went wrong.
Guest_Opsrbest_*
How the hell has he demeaned you exactly?Fdmatt wrote...
ericjdev wrote...
olf1 wrote...
I'm I the only one who still likes and respects Casey?
I don't know if you're the only one but I'm definitely not looking to join his fan club.
What's not like about a lying swindler who hides behind those that abuse and demean his fanbase under the guise of artistic integrity to make up for their lackluster ideas.
Versus Omnibus wrote...
The last time I got excited over anything ME3 related I got an ending that "rewarded" my efforts with the death of galactic society. So unless the folks in Bioware tell me they plan to do something about the endings I refuse to trust them ever again.
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