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[RocketManSR2]

Versidious wrote...

You're not. He's made a mistake, and I hope he will fix it. Either way, he's worked hard in the past to bring us great games. If he at least honestly tries to sort this, out to our satisfaction I'll forget it ever happened. If he doesn't, *then* I'll lose a lot of respect for him. I don't, for example, think he's a liar, but I don't think he can be trusted to stick to his stated intentions any more.

We all saw Casey's face near the end of production. He looked terrible. The whole team put in long hours to get ME3 out by March 6th. Despite EA's best efforts, they did it. Mostly. I think it's amazing they got done what they did. I have a great deal of respect for all of them. 

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 05 avril 2012 - 12:39 .

[Fdmatt]

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ok, valid point I should have specified more clearly.

How the hell has he hide behind those that have deamend you exactly?

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Case in point, Dr. Muzyka's "letter" to the fans where he essentially
said "I get some diehards have a problem with how we ended the series,
but look how many shiny reviews we have!" The press and developers are
sticking together on this one because they have mutually beneficial
prospects. Notice how it is mainly the business media that is
criticizing Bioware and the ending. Establishments like Forbes, CNN, BBC
have much less to loose in speaking out against developers than say,
Kotaku would have.

Modifié par Fdmatt, 05 avril 2012 - 12:39 .

[Zenyattaa]

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

[Kanon777]

Just avoid the_angry_one. The only thing he/she/it can understand are her own ideas, no matter how "logic" or "reasonable" you try to be he/she/it just wont get it and just try to use the argument to troll you.

[pikey1969]

AtlasMickey wrote...

trimmed

Personally, the endings as they exist also don't require much thought, and very much seem like a product of 'lack of thought' or rather an incomplete thought.

Just because they call upon thought-provoking subject matter (in this case technological singularity), doesn't mean it was integrated well into the story.

Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[The Angry One]

AtlasMickey wrote...
Plainly wrong. Reapers have every indication of being gender neutral already, but that's a straw man. It's not the Catalyst that directly controls the reapers in the control ending, it's the Crucible. If wanted to show me that you cared about discussion, though, you'd take it to that thread, so it could be easier to read for others who want to follow along. I don't know why I'm asking a troll to do that, but I guess I'm bored.

Well if it wasn't obvious you weren't being serious at all before..
The Crucible is a transmission mechanism. The control device is on the Citadel, and Shepard is clearly replacing starbaby, who vanishes during the process.

You assert that the ending requires no thought. Well! Of course we couldn't have a discussion, then, since those tend to require thought.

The ending requires no thought to understand, because there is nothing to understand. It is as stupid as it appears.
The discussion relates to how bad it is. Thinking about the ending only exposes the numerous plot holes.

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 avril 2012 - 12:40 .

[DangerousPuddy]

I'll believe it when I see it, sorry.

You're only as good as you're last game, holds true in sports and in entertainment.

[UrgentArchengel]

bump.

[The Angry One]

tobito113 wrote...

Just avoid the_angry_one. The only thing he/she/it can understand are her own ideas, no matter how "logic" or "reasonable" you try to be he/she/it just wont get it and just try to use the argument to troll you.

If you don't like logical smackdowns, I kindly suggest you make better arguments.

[AtlasMickey]

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Mev186 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...


Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

Then we will fight in the shade.

Seriously though, even if you had numbers on your  side it doesn't make the endings good. Example: Twilight.

You have to appreciate the irony of using good writing (Sovereign) to defend horrendously bad writing that directly neuters everything Sovereign said.

I was wondering when someone would say this... no, it really doesn't contradict it. 

If you really want to see my thoughts on it, why not visit this thread that also brings up Legion's rarely seen renegade comments from ME2.

Link

No one has responded to my comments there, yet. My wall of text seems to have stopped the thread dead lol. 

I fully admit that the Mass Effect 3 story and ending requires a person to think through it, but that's one of the reasons why I enjoy it. I would hope that Mass Effect appeals to people who like to actually think about these issues and not stop thinking because they reach some uncomfortable impasse.

Ive responded to this in a different post you brought this up in, and frankly what you present shows you exactly how bad they botched the end. You proven they removed Shepard from the main character role and thrust the catalyst into that role. In interactive storytelling that is just bad writing.

Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link?? I can only follow so many threads.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 05 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[Kanon777]

pikey1969 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Then obviously your reading skills need work. Every single one of us that dislike the endings, have said that everything up until the final 15 minutes was 10/10.  Bioware spends 20-40 hrs setting you up for this awesome climax and then all you get is an unsatisfying experience.  Every faction has it's radicals, don't judge the rest of us, because of them.

Check the story board on your own and see for yourself how much this community likes the game. 99.99% is either an atack on evil EA/Bioware or another tread about how the ending of ME3 gives you cancer or something. Everytime someone decides to speak what they like about the ending the rest of this forums decides to call them troll and how they dont even understand the story or how their opinion is objectvely wrong... This community is poisonous.

39.57821% of all stats are made up on the internet.

Im just making an hyperbole to bring my point across, that is no diferent than much of the anti-ending movement.

[The Angry One]

Opsrbest wrote...

@ TAO - of whom are you speaking

The lead writer.
Who I'm sure is a talented character writer, but I believe he went off on his own tangent, and didn't let the rest of the writing team review his work. Which was a terrible mistake.
Nobody is immune to bad ideas, that's why you have writing teams on things like this.

[AdmiralCheez]

Somebody let me know what goes down at PAX this weekend. I'll be visiting my parents again, so no internet.

I'm one bad PR move away from quitting the fandom forever, so hopefully Bioware's willing to show a little humility. Otherwise I'll have to figure out what to do with all my extra free time.

[pikey1969]

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??

 

Is it really relevant to what we're discussing here?

Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[Quietness]

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??

Beacuse i dont feel like necro'ing an old post. I also dont sit there and watch days old posts as they tend to not be very relevant.

[jspiess]

Best possible PAX presentation would be them rolling out the video "Reaper 'indoctrination' is..."

Stay tuned for Mass Effect 3 part 2!

[Quietness]

tobito113 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Then obviously your reading skills need work. Every single one of us that dislike the endings, have said that everything up until the final 15 minutes was 10/10.  Bioware spends 20-40 hrs setting you up for this awesome climax and then all you get is an unsatisfying experience.  Every faction has it's radicals, don't judge the rest of us, because of them.

Check the story board on your own and see for yourself how much this community likes the game. 99.99% is either an atack on evil EA/Bioware or another tread about how the ending of ME3 gives you cancer or something. Everytime someone decides to speak what they like about the ending the rest of this forums decides to call them troll and how they dont even understand the story or how their opinion is objectvely wrong... This community is poisonous.

39.57821% of all stats are made up on the internet.

Im just making an hyperbole to bring my point across, that is no diferent than much of the anti-ending movement.

No you are making up facts to try and support your bad logic.

[Kanon777]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

bump.

lol i dont think you need to do that, this thread is doing pretty well (just like most of the "lets attack Bioware" threads we see here) 

[pikey1969]

The Angry One wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

@ TAO - of whom are you speaking

The lead writer.
Who I'm sure is a talented character writer, but I believe he went off on his own tangent, and didn't let the rest of the writing team review his work. Which was a terrible mistake.
Nobody is immune to bad ideas, that's why you have writing teams on things like this.

I still strongly believe that the two that did this had a good reason to do so. And do not for whatever reason they deserve the flak they've been getting.

It makes no sense to me they would do that to the team they've been working together with for so long.

It had to have been a decision brought on by an outside influence, most likely to do with time/budget limitations imposed by the EA approaching the extended deadline and the end of their fiscal cycles.

[Quietness]

tobito113 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

bump.

lol i dont think you need to do that, this thread is doing pretty well (just like most of the "lets attack Bioware" threads we see here) 

Rofl and there we grouping everyone together again. I really should group you with some of the other ending supports ive come across. There's even the super-homophobic one.

[AtlasMickey]

DungeonHoek wrote...

Child, quit re-enforcing what I say. It doesn't do you any favors. It only makes you look worse.

The definition of faith is not soley rooted in religion, you should know that. And no, you really don't believe in what you are saying. It's even been altered as you've been confronted.

But this is funny, I'm expected to accept  the "legitimacy" of what YOU are saying. But, you yourself refuse to accept anyone elses. I don't play that game.

I don't agree wih a single word you said here. 

[Ryven]

They have until PAX for me. Time for Bioware to s*** or get off the pot. After that, my give a **** meter is on empty (Along with my "give Bioware more money budget")

[The Angry One]

pikey1969 wrote...

I still strongly believe that the two that did this had a good reason to do so. And do not for whatever reason they deserve the flak they've been getting.

It makes no sense to me they would do that to the team they've been working together with for so long.

It had to have been a decision brought on by an outside influence, most likely to do with time/budget limitations imposed by the EA approaching the extended deadline and the end of their fiscal cycles.

I don't know. Personally I believe a certain someone wanted to leave his unique mark on the series, and Hudson went along with it perhaps due to time constraints, yes.
And boy did he leave his mark.

[ynh]

pikey1969 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

@ TAO - of whom are you speaking

The lead writer.
Who I'm sure is a talented character writer, but I believe he went off on his own tangent, and didn't let the rest of the writing team review his work. Which was a terrible mistake.
Nobody is immune to bad ideas, that's why you have writing teams on things like this.

I still strongly believe that the two that did this had a good reason to do so. And do not for whatever reason they deserve the flak they've been getting.

It makes no sense to me they would do that to the team they've been working together with for so long.

It had to have been a decision brought on by an outside influence, most likely to do with time/budget limitations imposed by the EA approaching the extended deadline and the end of their fiscal cycles.

No, it's more like they want speculation. Think about it, the endings are left open to interpretation. Look at how much colorful discussion we are having. EA is trying to set a precedent for DLC. BioWare has a bunch of options. They can continue shepard's story from the destroy ending (because he is left alive). They can just make a few videos to clarify the endings and just release that. They can charge for both of those (whether or not its a wise idea is not being discussed ).

If they can pull off monetizing from this, it will be a game changer for them.