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[Kanon777]

Quietness wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Quietness wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Then obviously your reading skills need work. Every single one of us that dislike the endings, have said that everything up until the final 15 minutes was 10/10.  Bioware spends 20-40 hrs setting you up for this awesome climax and then all you get is an unsatisfying experience.  Every faction has it's radicals, don't judge the rest of us, because of them.

Check the story board on your own and see for yourself how much this community likes the game. 99.99% is either an atack on evil EA/Bioware or another tread about how the ending of ME3 gives you cancer or something. Everytime someone decides to speak what they like about the ending the rest of this forums decides to call them troll and how they dont even understand the story or how their opinion is objectvely wrong... This community is poisonous.

39.57821% of all stats are made up on the internet.

Im just making an hyperbole to bring my point across, that is no diferent than much of the anti-ending movement.

No you are making up facts to try and support your bad logic.

Making up facts? All you have to do is go to the story forums and see for yourself, i dont need to make up anything, just see with your own eyes... Positive/neutral threads go away from the first page in a few moments. Negative threads have guarantied 5 stars and will stay on first page for days. Anyone who thinks im a liar can check this forums own their own.

Modifié par tobito113, 05 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[cutegigi]

tobito113 wrote...

My point is not what the "community" thinks, but how they behave, check these forums and check the treads that are made every moment. If you make a neutral or positive tread it will go to the 3rd page after 30 seconds.

If you make an evill "EAware" or another Forbes circlejerk or another videoblog on how the ending gave made them feel like they got cancer (this was a real tread btw) or how they will neve buy any Bioware product anymore your tread is guaranteed to get automatic 5 stars and be on the front page for days...

If you think any thread deserve to be on 1st page, then by all mean, bump it up, call all your friends with similar believe to keep the discussion going, that way, it WILL be on 1st page.

You can not blame other people to not behaving/acting like you would.

[Arik7]

Big Thing #1: More alternative outfits for squad mates
Big Thing #2: More multiplayer maps

[Montana]

Meh...
I'm finding it hard to get excited about anything involving ME at the moment.

We'll see...

[AtlasMickey]

RocketManSR2 wrote...
 Han shot first.

Damn straight.

[Quietness]

tobito113 wrote...

Making up facts? All you have to do is go to the story forums and see for yourself, i dont need to make up anything, just see with your own eyes... Positive/neutral threads go away from the first page in a few moments. Negative threads have guarantied 5 stars and will stay on first page for days. Anyone who thinks im a liar can check this forums own their own.

Really? My post where yesterday stayed up for a large portion of the evening and day. Its currently rated at 5 stars. It was a purely neutral post that simply was a link to a lot of the nightmare VA that was hard to hear.

[Valdaka]

Shared wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MASS EFFECT 3....PART 2.... 'yikes'

Actually that could work, 10-15 hours of more gameplay, IT was right, you wake upp on earth and gotta fight em off conventionally, then move on to liberate the other homeworlds. Awesum.

 
 Wouldnt that be something an extra 10-15 hours of gamplay to conclude the story, one can hope....

[pikey1969]

The Angry One wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

I still strongly believe that the two that did this had a good reason to do so. And do not for whatever reason they deserve the flak they've been getting.

It makes no sense to me they would do that to the team they've been working together with for so long.

It had to have been a decision brought on by an outside influence, most likely to do with time/budget limitations imposed by the EA approaching the extended deadline and the end of their fiscal cycles.

I don't know. Personally I believe a certain someone wanted to leave his unique mark on the series, and Hudson went along with it perhaps due to time constraints, yes.
And boy did he leave his mark.

Yeah, when this is all over, he's the guy that's gonna get called into an office for the hairdryer treatment. Can't imagine he's sleeping very well these days. I feel for the dude honestly. We'll see what April truly has in store for us, and Casey. He did after all bring us the Mass Effect series.

And I still can't possibly imagine, with no amount of hubris, someone pulling something like this with zero regard for the fans and the rest of his team. No way. This even more than the Day-1 DLC, has EA written all over it.

[Quietness]

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

@ TAO - of whom are you speaking

The lead writer.
Who I'm sure is a talented character writer, but I believe he went off on his own tangent, and didn't let the rest of the writing team review his work. Which was a terrible mistake.
Nobody is immune to bad ideas, that's why you have writing teams on things like this.

See I live just outside Edmonton and while it is essentially the "friend of a friends kid" saying, thats not what I have heard.

There are other reasons as too why it is what it is. And hey it could be total ****e that I heard.

From the AMA on Reddit we were lead to believe this was true (AMA for the gentleman who did the Final Hours)

[Ketten]

Quietness wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

Making up facts? All you have to do is go to the story forums and see for yourself, i dont need to make up anything, just see with your own eyes... Positive/neutral threads go away from the first page in a few moments. Negative threads have guarantied 5 stars and will stay on first page for days. Anyone who thinks im a liar can check this forums own their own.

Really? My post where yesterday stayed up for a large portion of the evening and day. Its currently rated at 5 stars. It was a purely neutral post that simply was a link to a lot of the nightmare VA that was hard to hear.

And man did I need some pick-me-up ice cream after listening to that.

[Fdmatt]

[quote]Opsrbest wrote...

[quote]Fdmatt wrote...

[/quote]
ok, valid point I should have specified more clearly.

How the hell has he hide behind those that have deamend you exactly?

[/quote]

Case in point, Dr. Muzyka's "letter" to the fans where he essentially
said "I get some diehards have a problem with how we ended the series,
but look how many shiny reviews we have!" The press and developers are
sticking together on this one because they have mutually beneficial
prospects. Notice how it is mainly the business media that is
criticizing Bioware and the ending. Establishments like Forbes, CNN, BBC
have much less to loose in speaking out against developers than say,
Kotaku would have.

[/quote]
Forums, she is being the little **** tonite isn't she???????


I disagree though. The issue of what Muzy say's in a post to the BSN or fans of ME should be taken with more validation then anything anyone else has to say. He is at the end of the day a very important person within Bioware. The fact that he responded means others don't have to on the issue. Forbes however having less to lose also has the most to gain from supporting it. The same with CNN and the BBC. All have the opertunity to draw attention to there respective outlets on a subject that is and has been generating a lot of attention for Bioware and EA.

If Muzy say's it's there product like it or not because of Artistic Integrity I really don't think he is just making some vapid response to shut people up or try and get people to calm down.

[/quote]

Haha yes she is.

My point is, how can you have integrity without honesty. I don't see how any rational person can argue that what we promised is what we got. There's overhyping a game and blatantly lying, which is why some retailers like Amazon are giving full refunds and have suspended sale of the product. The fact that they cannot be honest about their own art renders their integrity moot.

[Kanon777]

cutegigi wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

My point is not what the "community" thinks, but how they behave, check these forums and check the treads that are made every moment. If you make a neutral or positive tread it will go to the 3rd page after 30 seconds.

If you make an evill "EAware" or another Forbes circlejerk or another videoblog on how the ending gave made them feel like they got cancer (this was a real tread btw) or how they will neve buy any Bioware product anymore your tread is guaranteed to get automatic 5 stars and be on the front page for days...

If you think any thread deserve to be on 1st page, then by all mean, bump it up, call all your friends with similar believe to keep the discussion going, that way, it WILL be on 1st page.

You can not blame other people to not behaving/acting like you would.

I dont understand you. My point is how negativity is by far the best way to get people to agree with you here. Bumping threads wont solve anything, it wont improve the "community" or anything like that, people would stay the same, and that is the problem.

[pikey1969]

cutegigi wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

My point is not what the "community" thinks, but how they behave, check these forums and check the treads that are made every moment. If you make a neutral or positive tread it will go to the 3rd page after 30 seconds.

If you make an evill "EAware" or another Forbes circlejerk or another videoblog on how the ending gave made them feel like they got cancer (this was a real tread btw) or how they will neve buy any Bioware product anymore your tread is guaranteed to get automatic 5 stars and be on the front page for days...

If you think any thread deserve to be on 1st page, then by all mean, bump it up, call all your friends with similar believe to keep the discussion going, that way, it WILL be on 1st page.

You can not blame other people to not behaving/acting like you would.

I dunno man, I still want moah bumps. Come back and gimme moah sugar. Never content baby!

[Aweus]

AtlasMickey wrote...

This is something you will have to accept. You are no longer a Mass Effect fan. It's probably going to take some time for you to realize it, but eventually it'll happen and you'll stop trolling fan forums. .

AtlasMickey? OK, that is **** enough! Wall of text incoming. Entire thing is OT but I just have to type this. I cant stand and watch what you are doing to some people on this forum. 

Trolling? Right. So you are discussing what, exactly? Your very first post in this thread, let me quote it in its entire glory "The line falls in two days. Make your time."  That is indeed very good approach for a discussion. Make no mistake, there are many trolls in the ranks of Retake. I regret this. But at this time BSN is a hornets nest, where do you expect the swarm to be? If anything, they are some angry people who are overreacting and looking to channel their disappointment. And then you waltz in the middle of the hornets nest, proclaim everyone around you idiots (becouse we both know that is what you are saying, save from the form), keep poking them in the eye with the sharp stick and in the end brand them as trolls. No, good Sir/Lady, it is you who are an epitome of a troll. You want to heal the world from trolling? Start with yourself! Persecuting others for guilts you also carry is a highest form of hypocrisy. And then after all this you have the audacity to call yourself a true fan of Mass Effect over some people around here who are genuinely HURT over the ending of ME3. I read this forum long enough to recognize that among all the trolling, there are people who are in a state of mental suffering becouse of the ending of their beloved series. And then you come gloating over them and call yourself a "better and true fan". I have no words to describe this that would not break this forum's ToS. Even your signature banner is insulting if you review it with logic, which you claim is your strong perk. "Bioware deserves better fans" maaaybe would fit. "Shepard" however? Yes, that is an insult for many extremely loyal FANS of Shepard and ME in the Retake movement. And we both know it.

One thing I must applaud you for however is the fact that your trolling is successful. In my case anything that I felt over the ME3 ending could be closed up in two words "disappointment" and "sadness". I am not truly angry at Bioware or Hudson. I am just sad becouse of what they did and I am hoping that they will still make something better. A hope that keeps me here. Together with several people who share my beliefs. I do however get angry, no scratch that, I RAGE when I read some posts of individuals like you, HenchxNarf, Dridengx and maybe two more souls whose trolling levels are still under evaluation. In some mysterious way I manage to skim over most pro-enders threads and be done with it. Some of them I can respect, with some of them I can even partially agree with. And then goes in talented trolls like you who instantly rises my hypertension level over the edge. Seriously, if anytime soon I will prematurely leave this mortal world, my obituary will read "Died becouse of stroke caused by post made by BSN user AtlasMickey". How funny. What a tremendous achievement that would be for the kind like you. Again, I applaud you.

For what is said and done I may discuss and debate over the Mass Effect endings. Tending to seek compromises and common ground is a human thing to do. But regardless from anything, whatever are your beliefs about ME3 ending and whatever else this series consists of. For what you are doing to all those heartbroken fans on this forum and for your destructive personality you shall never get any form of respect. You are that kind of person I wish I never cross path with in real or virtual life. Mass Effect or not, it is just irrelevant at this point.

Modifié par Aweus, 05 avril 2012 - 12:55 .

[ynh]

Aweus wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

This is something you will have to accept. You are no longer a Mass Effect fan. It's probably going to take some time for you to realize it, but eventually it'll happen and you'll stop trolling fan forums. .

AtlasMickey? OK, that is **** enough! Wall of text incoming. Entire thing is OT but I just have to type this. I cant stand and watch what you are doing to some people on this forum. 

Trolling? Right. So you are discussing what, exactly? Your very first post in this thread, let me quote it in its entire glory "The line falls in two days. Make your time."  That is indeed very good approach for a discussion. Make no mistake, there are many trolls in the ranks of Retake. I regret this. But at this time BSN is a hornets nest, where do you expect the swarm to be? If anything, they are some angry people who are overreacting and looking to channel their disappointment. And then you waltz in the middle of the hornets nest, proclaim everyone around you idiots (becouse we both know that is what you are saying, save from the form), keep poking them in the eye with the sharp stick and in the end brand them as trolls. No, good Sir/Lady, it is you who are an epitome of a troll. You want to heal the world from trolling? Start with yourself! Persecuting others for guilts you also carry is a highest form of hypocrisy. And then after all this you have the audacity to call yourself a true fan of Mass Effect over some people around here who are genuinely HURT over the ending of ME3. I read this forum long enough to recognize that among all the trolling, there are people who are in a state of mental suffering becouse of the ending of their beloved series. And then you come gloating over them and call yourself a "better and true fan". I have no words to describe this that would not break this forum's ToS. Even your signature banner is insulting if you review it with logic, which you claim is your strong perk. Bioware deserves better maaaybe would fit. Shepard however? Yes, that is an insult for many extremely loyal FANS of Shepard and ME in the Retake movement. And we both know it.

One thing I must applaud you for however is the fact that your trolling is successful. In my case anything that I felt over the ME3 ending could be closed up in two words "disappointment" and "sadness". I am not truly angry at Bioware or Hudson. I am just sad becouse of what they did and I am hoping that they will still make something better. A hope that keeps me here. Together with several people who share my beliefs. I do however get angry, no scratch that, I RAGE when I read some posts of individuals like you, HenchxNarf, Dridengx and maybe two more souls whose trolling levels are still under evaluation. In some mysterious way I manage to skim over most pro-enders threads and be done with it. Some of them I can respect, with some of them I can even partially agree with. And then goes in talented trolls like you who instantly rises my hypertension level over the edge. Seriously, if anytime soon I will prematurely leave this mortal world, my obituary will read "Died becouse of stroke caused by post made by BSN user AtlasMickey". How funny. What a tremendous achievement that would be for the kind like you. Again, I applaud you.

For what is said and done I may discuss and debate over the Mass Effect endings. Tending to seek compromises and common ground is a human thing to do. But regardless from anything, whatever are your beliefs about ME3 ending and whatever else this series consists of. For what you are doing to all those heartbroken fans on this forum and for your destructive personality you shall never get any form of respect. You are that kind of person I wish I never cross path with in real or virtual life. Mass Effect or not, it is just irrelevant at this point.

And right there, you just took Atlas' bait. Well done! :/

He's entitled to his opinions as is anyone else here. Keep it civil. Last thing we want is to give BioWare excuses

[Aweus]

ynh wrote...

And right there, you just took Atlas' bait. Well done! :/

He's entitled to his opinions as is anyone else here. Keep it civil. Last thing we want is to give BioWare excuses

Make no mistake, I know exactly what he is doing and I took this bait willingly. But enough is enough. I can deal with my own problems but standing and watching calmly at what he/she is doing to some people who are way more passionate from me is something I cant allow myself to do.

[AtlasMickey]

pikey1969 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

trimmed

Personally, the endings as they exist also don't require much thought, and very much seem like a product of 'lack of thought' or rather an incomplete thought.

Just because they call upon thought-provoking subject matter (in this case technological singularity), doesn't mean it was integrated well into the story.

The endings give me the impression of something complex that was thought through but then trimmed of details down to its core essentials. This impression was confirmed by several comments from the writing staff, both in public interviews and in an unauthorized comment on the PA forums.

Talking about how the singularity could have been better integrated into the story is exactly the kind of thing I'd like to talk about, but unfortunately that's not possible while rejecting the story as told. Talking enthusiastically as fans about how it could be different must first involve a willingness to accept and engage the story given. 

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 05 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[ynh]

Aweus wrote...

ynh wrote...

And right there, you just took Atlas' bait. Well done! :/

He's entitled to his opinions as is anyone else here. Keep it civil. Last thing we want is to give BioWare excuses

Make no mistake, I know exactly what he is doing and I took this bait willingly. But enough is enough. I can deal with my own problems but standing and watching calmly at what he/she is doing to some people who are way more passionate from me is something I cant allow myself to do.

Do what I do. PM the guys getting trolled and let them know what's going on. It's worked every time for me so far

[AtlasMickey]

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??

Beacuse i dont feel like necro'ing an old post. I also dont sit there and watch days old posts as they tend to not be very relevant.

It's not even a day old.

[Quietness]

Opsrbest wrote...
That why I didn't really respond to that in regards to that person. I can't discount that FH is true or not.

Oh yea im not sure myself either, my problem is there lots of little things that are making it hard to ignore. There was FH, the AMA for the gentlemen, The famous (or infamous) PA post which is hard to take either way. It just may be me grasping for emergency induction ports.

I just have a lot of trouble believing ( and this is opinon, im fine if people don't agree) that the rest of the game which was so beyond amazing had the same type of input/group working on it as the ending.

[The Angry One]

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect

Modifié par The Angry One, 05 avril 2012 - 01:04 .

[Quietness]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??

Beacuse i dont feel like necro'ing an old post. I also dont sit there and watch days old posts as they tend to not be very relevant.

It's not even a day old.

I love how i provide you an equal reponse on here and you are concentrating on how i responded to you directly instead of just throwing it on some random post ? really?

[cutegigi]

tobito113 wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

tobito113 wrote...

My point is not what the "community" thinks, but how they behave, check these forums and check the treads that are made every moment. If you make a neutral or positive tread it will go to the 3rd page after 30 seconds.

If you make an evill "EAware" or another Forbes circlejerk or another videoblog on how the ending gave made them feel like they got cancer (this was a real tread btw) or how they will neve buy any Bioware product anymore your tread is guaranteed to get automatic 5 stars and be on the front page for days...

If you think any thread deserve to be on 1st page, then by all mean, bump it up, call all your friends with similar believe to keep the discussion going, that way, it WILL be on 1st page.

You can not blame other people to not behaving/acting like you would.

I dont understand you. My point is how negativity is by far the best way to get people to agree with you here. Bumping threads wont solve anything, it wont improve the "community" or anything like that, people would stay the same, and that is the problem.

No it doesnt. People agree with you because they have same opinion/idea/feeling. Thats why they agree. 

It just so happen currently there are more people that agree the ending is less than ideal. Thats why thread on this topics are on page 1.

If more happy about the ending people start discussing how great the endings are, then those thread will be on page 1. which you may then interprate that the community mood is positive.

This is how forums works. as it should be.