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[quote]Fdmatt wrote...

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[quote]Fdmatt wrote...

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ok, valid point I should have specified more clearly.

How the hell has he hide behind those that have deamend you exactly?

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Case in point, Dr. Muzyka's "letter" to the fans where he essentially
said "I get some diehards have a problem with how we ended the series,
but look how many shiny reviews we have!" The press and developers are
sticking together on this one because they have mutually beneficial
prospects. Notice how it is mainly the business media that is
criticizing Bioware and the ending. Establishments like Forbes, CNN, BBC
have much less to loose in speaking out against developers than say,
Kotaku would have.

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Forums, she is being the little **** tonite isn't she???????:pinched:


I disagree though. The issue of what Muzy say's in a post to the BSN or fans of ME should be taken with more validation then anything anyone else has to say. He is at the end of the day a very important person within Bioware. The fact that he responded means others don't have to on the issue. Forbes however having less to lose also has the most to gain from supporting it. The same with CNN and the BBC. All have the opertunity to draw attention to there respective outlets on a subject that is and has been generating a lot of attention for Bioware and EA.

If Muzy say's it's there product like it or not because of Artistic Integrity I really don't think he is just making some vapid response to shut people up or try and get people to calm down.

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Haha yes she is.

My point is, how can you have integrity without honesty. I don't see how any rational person can argue that what we promised is what we got. There's overhyping a game and blatantly lying, which is why some retailers like Amazon are giving full refunds and have suspended sale of the product. The fact that they cannot be honest about their own art renders their integrity moot.

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I can see the post formating of the quote pyramid, and yet it does not show. :bandit: Must be RTM cyber assaults. =]

Thats a difficult arguement though. Every game does that and I suppose the best example of a game that did it and still had a modicum amount of sales was Aion, as it suits both our points, and it offered everything that is advertised and hyped. the only difference was what the personal view of those expectations on how they had been met. People post that they are fine with the game and it's just the ending, and the lack of showing of your choices in ME3 that come from ME2 or that are made in ME3. And I don't think thats a responsibility that Bioware or EA or any dev studio or publisher in the game industry should have to control. If fans or would be fans want to over exagerate an expectation to an unachievable degree then that's something that the player should have to deal with and not Bioware in this case.

An example is the endings. People are all mad at how you only have three choices to make and use that as an example emperically. And it's no tthe case. From those three endings based on your choices in the game and your final EMS you have 6 possibilities that can occur from them. You also see peple saying that the ending cinimatics are all the same. ME2 had the same thing. The only difference was how many loyalte missions you did for your squad. But yet in ME3 because people wanted so much more then what Bioware was and is able to give them theres a disconnect. And it's not a disconnect Bioware should have to reconnect.

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They met and decided to do a new ending DLC. Riccitiello is on board, so long as they charge $0.10 per bullet and $1.00 per line of dialogue.

Because, you see, once you have them "emotionally invested", they're not "price sensitive" ...

... and that's when you REALLY f*ck 'em.

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Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect


It has been overdone, but it's still a pretty fresh concept in games. Also, it does fit the set-ups they have provided so far.

It's never meant to be clever, but it's a pretty fair decent cop-out for introducing different/other-wordly concepts, like time-travel, parallel universe, and etc.

They just did executed its introduction in a manner that poops all over Mass effect.

The way they built up the Reapers, they put themselves in a corner where they had to come up with something like this way. It was either that or provide zero-resolution for the purpose/origin of the reapers (you can only really drag out the 'mysterious' and ''unfathomable' evil concept for so long before that too becomes tiring).

Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 01:09 .


#579
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Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??


Beacuse i dont feel like necro'ing an old post. I also dont sit there and watch days old posts as they tend to not be very relevant.

It's not even a day old.


I love how i provide you an equal reponse on here and you are concentrating on how i responded to you directly instead of just throwing it on some random post ? really?

You rejected the very simple terms I requested for discussion. You couldn't have responded in that thread, which was active yesterday, when I asked you to? Really? You had to click on the link in order to read it... you couldn't have just stayed on that page...? WTF, dude?

Out of all the things I read today I think that's the most absurd lol.

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pikey1969 wrote...


I dunno man, I still want moah bumps. Come back and gimme moah sugar. Never content baby!


I already chimed in that thread of yours long before this post  :whistle:

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H. Birdman wrote...

They met and decided to do a new ending DLC. Riccitiello is on board, so long as they charge $0.10 per bullet and $1.00 per line of dialogue.

Because, you see, once you have them "emotionally invested", they're not "price sensitive" ...

... and that's when you REALLY f*ck 'em.


Ugh, i cant figure out what he was thinking when he said that in a public setting (battlfield reload thing) How hard did his whole PR Dept. s*** themselves while watching that.

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H. Birdman wrote...

They met and decided to do a new ending DLC. Riccitiello is on board, so long as they charge $0.10 per bullet and $1.00 per line of dialogue.

Because, you see, once you have them "emotionally invested", they're not "price sensitive" ...

... and that's when you REALLY f*ck 'em.

Regardless though. Bioware or EA is really set up to make a killing if the change the ending.

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cutegigi wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...


I dunno man, I still want moah bumps. Come back and gimme moah sugar. Never content baby!


I already chimed in that thread of yours long before this post  :whistle:


"
Come back and gimme moah sugar "

I am never content with just one. >:P

... even from talimancers. =/

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pikey1969 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect


It has been overdone, but it's still a pretty fresh concept in games. Also, it does fit the set-ups they have provided so far.

It's never meant to be clever, but it's a pretty fair decent cop-out for introducing different/other-wordly concepts, like time-travel, parallel universe, and etc.

They just did executed its introduction in a manner that poops all over Mass effect.

The way they built up the Reapers, they put themselves in a corner where they had to come up with something like this way. It was either that or provide zero-resolution for the purpose/origin of the reapers (you can only really drag out the 'mysterious' and ''unfathomable' evil concept for so long before that too becomes tiring).


Mystery is one angle.
But another is the Reapers never needed to be that complex. They are arrogant machines who need organics to reproduce, and raise organic civilisations to a point where they will be most suitable for harvesting into superior Reapers.
That takes care of the base needs of any life-form, self-preservation and reproduction.

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God damn this thread...

It's obvious to anybody with two brain cells to rub together that those who like the ending and those who like it are never going to see eye-to-eye, and attempts to force it are moronic. So, let's just agree to disagree.

If Bioware releases a DLC that changes the ending and satisfies those who are not satisfied with the present ending, then everybody is happy and can go about their business. If they make it a patch they alienate those who liked the endings while keeping those who didn't and potentially lose their business. If they do not, then they probably lose the business of those who aren't happy with the current ending, and if they think they can afford that loss then that is their choice. I'll be disappointed but I'll just move my affections to another developer (hey there Bethesda. Come here often?)

That's all that matters in the real world: cause and effect. Action and reaction. Not who the 'real fan' is, not who is 'right' and who is 'wrong', heck, not even to what you deserve or entitled to, only what happens and what you do about it.

All that has been said about the OP (the tweet) has been said and it's just two teams of trolls on opposite sides going at it like toddlers in a schoolyard brawl. So, can we please just put this thread to bed before it collapses into a stupidity singularity that sucks what intelligence is left out of BSN forever?

/end rant

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The Angry One wrote...

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect

+1000

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AtlasMickey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??


Beacuse i dont feel like necro'ing an old post. I also dont sit there and watch days old posts as they tend to not be very relevant.

It's not even a day old.


I love how i provide you an equal reponse on here and you are concentrating on how i responded to you directly instead of just throwing it on some random post ? really?

You rejected the very simple terms I requested for discussion. You couldn't have responded in that thread, which was active yesterday, when I asked you to? Really? You had to click on the link in order to read it... you couldn't have just stayed on that page...? WTF, dude?

Out of all the things I read today I think that's the most absurd lol.



Lol and now you are arguing semantics. This is amazing!

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Dosen't really matter what they say or announce, You can not un-sink the Titanic ..only raise it and it won't be the same.

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I'm incredibly sad to say that I see the eventual dEAth of BioWare.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect

+1000


-infinity

Ooo! I win!

WE ARE INFINITE.

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 05 avril 2012 - 01:14 .


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 If the Starbrat had been replaced by Harbinger I'd probably be slightly satisfied.

Probably.

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Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Dosen't really matter what they say or announce, You can not un-sink the Titanic ..only raise it and it won't be the same.


Ehh, large quantities of alcohol will help to forget the previous ending. :P

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dorktainian wrote...

MASS EFFECT 3....PART 2.... 'yikes'


Is that the point where we hunt down the people at SquareEnix and punish them for being the first ones to do that...

(I still regret buying X-2)

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Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Quietness wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...
Why is it that no one can respond to something I wrote through a link by actually using that link??


Beacuse i dont feel like necro'ing an old post. I also dont sit there and watch days old posts as they tend to not be very relevant.

It's not even a day old.


I love how i provide you an equal reponse on here and you are concentrating on how i responded to you directly instead of just throwing it on some random post ? really?

You rejected the very simple terms I requested for discussion. You couldn't have responded in that thread, which was active yesterday, when I asked you to? Really? You had to click on the link in order to read it... you couldn't have just stayed on that page...? WTF, dude?

Out of all the things I read today I think that's the most absurd lol.



Lol and now you are arguing semantics. This is amazing!

I like that thread, ok? Please use it and I will respond.

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The Angry One wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect


It has been overdone, but it's still a pretty fresh concept in games. Also, it does fit the set-ups they have provided so far.

It's never meant to be clever, but it's a pretty fair decent cop-out for introducing different/other-wordly concepts, like time-travel, parallel universe, and etc.

They just did executed its introduction in a manner that poops all over Mass effect.

The way they built up the Reapers, they put themselves in a corner where they had to come up with something like this way. It was either that or provide zero-resolution for the purpose/origin of the reapers (you can only really drag out the 'mysterious' and ''unfathomable' evil concept for so long before that too becomes tiring).


Mystery is one angle.
But another is the Reapers never needed to be that complex. They are arrogant machines who need organics to reproduce, and raise organic civilisations to a point where they will be most suitable for harvesting into superior Reapers.
That takes care of the base needs of any life-form, self-preservation and reproduction.


How to beat them though? 

Any solution they brought out would have pretty much gotten the same treatment anyway. Never once in ME1/ME2 were there any illusions of beating the seemingly unstoppable force. Instead of 'lol space magic' the boards would be filled with 'lol secret weapon!' by now.

I do believe more or less seeking out/discovering their creator as a solution to what they've built up to be an 'undefeatable' force is one of the fair options.

The biggest flaw in my opinion is not the concept of the starchild itself, but in the options that the starchild gives you, and what they represent, that are painfully limited/contrived within both the narrative scope as well as within the 'intellectual' concept that the writers attempt to provide as a resolution.

Modifié par pikey1969, 05 avril 2012 - 01:18 .


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AtlasMickey wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect

+1000


-infinity

Ooo! I win!

WE ARE INFINITE.

I was 12 years old once too...

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Ilzairspar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MASS EFFECT 3....PART 2.... 'yikes'


Is that the point where we hunt down the people at SquareEnix and punish them for being the first ones to do that...

(I still regret buying X-2)



Ugh i did not play x-2. I loved the ending to X and called it a day.

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[quote]Opsrbest wrote...

[quote]Fdmatt wrote...

[quote]Opsrbest wrote...

[quote]Fdmatt wrote...

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ok, valid point I should have specified more clearly.

How the hell has he hide behind those that have deamend you exactly?

[/quote]

Case in point, Dr. Muzyka's "letter" to the fans where he essentially
said "I get some diehards have a problem with how we ended the series,
but look how many shiny reviews we have!" The press and developers are
sticking together on this one because they have mutually beneficial
prospects. Notice how it is mainly the business media that is
criticizing Bioware and the ending. Establishments like Forbes, CNN, BBC
have much less to loose in speaking out against developers than say,
Kotaku would have.

[/quote]
Forums, she is being the little **** tonite isn't she???????:pinched:


I disagree though. The issue of what Muzy say's in a post to the BSN or fans of ME should be taken with more validation then anything anyone else has to say. He is at the end of the day a very important person within Bioware. The fact that he responded means others don't have to on the issue. Forbes however having less to lose also has the most to gain from supporting it. The same with CNN and the BBC. All have the opertunity to draw attention to there respective outlets on a subject that is and has been generating a lot of attention for Bioware and EA.

If Muzy say's it's there product like it or not because of Artistic Integrity I really don't think he is just making some vapid response to shut people up or try and get people to calm down.

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Haha yes she is.

My point is, how can you have integrity without honesty. I don't see how any rational person can argue that what we promised is what we got. There's overhyping a game and blatantly lying, which is why some retailers like Amazon are giving full refunds and have suspended sale of the product. The fact that they cannot be honest about their own art renders their integrity moot.

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I can see the post formating of the quote pyramid, and yet it does not show. :bandit: Must be RTM cyber assaults. =]

Thats a difficult arguement though. Every game does that and I suppose the best example of a game that did it and still had a modicum amount of sales was Aion, as it suits both our points, and it offered everything that is advertised and hyped. the only difference was what the personal view of those expectations on how they had been met. People post that they are fine with the game and it's just the ending, and the lack of showing of your choices in ME3 that come from ME2 or that are made in ME3. And I don't think thats a responsibility that Bioware or EA or any dev studio or publisher in the game industry should have to control. If fans or would be fans want to over exagerate an expectation to an unachievable degree then that's something that the player should have to deal with and not Bioware in this case.

An example is the endings. People are all mad at how you only have three choices to make and use that as an example emperically. And it's no tthe case. From those three endings based on your choices in the game and your final EMS you have 6 possibilities that can occur from them. You also see peple saying that the ending cinimatics are all the same. ME2 had the same thing. The only difference was how many loyalte missions you did for your squad. But yet in ME3 because people wanted so much more then what Bioware was and is able to give them theres a disconnect. And it's not a disconnect Bioware should have to reconnect.

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6 endings. Not exactly how I'd describe them but I'll run with it. Kind of flaps directly in the face of Hudson's emphatic ABC quote doesn't it?

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Mesmurae wrote...
I was 12 years old once too...


pfft. we're all 12 years old here.

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AtlasMickey wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah sorry, no. The concept of the technological singularity:

a) Has been done to death.
B) Is boring.
c) Is not near as clever as some sci-fi writers think its is.
d) Is, frankly, garbage.
e) Has nothing to do with Mass Effect

+1000


-infinity

Ooo! I win!

WE ARE INFINITE.


eh... since now you are even infinite.....Im still waiting for you to do the darken the sky thingie.....