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[evisneffo]

I must say, the lack of an "of" after that "couple" in this Tweet bothers me a lot.

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I'm not religious in any way, but God help us all.

Hahah, that sounds about right.

[gosimmons]

soulprovider wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

"Dammit Casey, a number of our fans are onto us."

Casey "So who do we send to their deaths at pax"
Gamble "lets send the good writers we don't need them any way."

Oh lord.. lol
I hope people control themselves.

[sydranark]

Militarized wrote...

Indeed...

"So guys... we need some cool skin packs for MP."

Not to mention 2 alternate appearances for Vega and Kaidan 

Modifié par sydranark, 05 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[Joccaren]

Blc949 wrote...

With great power comes great responsibility.  If you can't handle that, work a normal 9 to 5.

Indeed, however you, and many others, are not fit to make the call of whether he has 'handled it' or not. That is EA's job, and calling for him to be fired is an emotional response as you feel he slighted you with the endings to the ME franchise.
EA is a business, and they're not stupid. If they think Casey is losing them money, they'll likely drop him. What is not needed is fans coming online and saying they know how to do EA's job better than EA do, and that Hudson should be fired as EA must have the opinion that he sucks. It is not the fan's call to make. It is EA's, and all of this 'You need to fire Hudson' hate speach is unnecessary.

[Zulmoka531]

sydranark wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Indeed...

"So guys... we need some cool skin packs for MP."

Not to mention 2 alternate appearances for Vega and Kaidan 

Sunglasses for everyone!

[RocketManSR2]

soulprovider wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

"Dammit Casey, a number of our fans are onto us."

Casey "So who do we send to their deaths at pax"
Gamble "lets send the good writers we don't need them any way."

www.youtube.com/watch

[Gemini1179]

Kartre wrote...

 "Great meetings with @CaseyDHudson today. Really excited for the next few days. A couple big things to talk about."

Like just how screwed they are? That MUST be exciting. I honestly feel bad for Gamble and Hudson. Between a rock and a hard place, they are.

[Blc949]

Joccaren wrote...

Blc949 wrote...

With great power comes great responsibility.  If you can't handle that, work a normal 9 to 5.

Indeed, however you, and many others, are not fit to make the call of whether he has 'handled it' or not. That is EA's job, and calling for him to be fired is an emotional response as you feel he slighted you with the endings to the ME franchise.
EA is a business, and they're not stupid. If they think Casey is losing them money, they'll likely drop him. What is not needed is fans coming online and saying they know how to do EA's job better than EA do, and that Hudson should be fired as EA must have the opinion that he sucks. It is not the fan's call to make. It is EA's, and all of this 'You need to fire Hudson' hate speach is unnecessary.

Actually as paying customers we are the most important people to judge if someone handled something properly.  If enough of us say he did not, company goes out of business. 

[Calamity]

Vox77 wrote...

M O O N, that spells speculation

So much this...

The stand...loved it!

[nikki191]

vague PR crap isnt going to cut it anymore. show me results

[karlchen]

txmn1016 wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

ericjdev wrote...

Did you fire him, because outside of that I'm having trouble figuring how anything related to him might qualify as great.

Didn't he write Garrus? 

No--pretty sure that was Patrick Weekes, and later John Dombrow (sp?). 

Everytime I read something about Michael Gamble my mind travels back to this article and I get angry all over again. 

This is one of the articles that made me pre-ordering (for the first time EVER) the CE (for the first tim EVER).

To be honest. Now I feel a bit... cheated.
And... this was the first and the last time I did this with EA/Bioware-Products... that's for sure!

Modifié par karlchen, 05 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[Calamity]

Mesmurae wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

cutegigi wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

I do not! Just that it lacks detail, specifically the kind of detail that would have been nice to illustrate so that there'd be no question, preventing quack theories like indoc from getting in the way of real thoughtful discussion. 

The fundamentals are strong and they are not going anywhere.

The line will fall, but real fans of Mass Effect have no end. Years after the line has been eradicated and fogotten, we will endure.

good for you.
current Bioware/EA need a lot of fans like you.

Our numbers will darken the sky of every world.

All four of you...

I LMAO at this...  Thank you and nice comeback! 

[Big_Choppa]

"Couple Big Things to Talk About" in the "Next..

I'll believe it when I see it, Bioware. <_<

[Versidious]

pikey1969 wrote...

Sublyminal wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Pretty sad. I think this is what they mean by "entitelement." 

I was a fan of Star Wars for a time. Then Lucas changed it. I am no longer a fan. Are you saying that I never was a fan in the first place? I didn't demand that he change it back. That's not my call. I don't own Star Wars. As a fan my powers involve bestowing praise or grievance, but not rejection. Once I reject things, I am no longer a fan of them. 

This is something you will have to accept. You are no longer a Mass Effect fan. It's probably going to take some time for you to realize it, but eventually it'll happen and you'll stop trolling fan forums.

I am a Mass Effect fan, defending it against an ending written by someone who is clearly not a fan.
I will not let the best sci-fi universe of recent times be maliciously destroyed like this. Not without a fight.

Mass Effect deserves more. BioWare deserves more.

But under the same regard isn't Bioware allowed to experiment with how they tell the story? We have three games in the series that are all told under different elements of story telling. So where is the line that says Casey isn't a fan of the game drawn when you could apply that to every game in the series? Where is the line drawn for buisness practice and how a story is told?

They're only allowed to do that if they had never said, this is the fans story, your choices will matter. The minute they brought the fans into it, is the minute they lost the right to experiement with it.

Uhhh... I kinda take issue with that sentiment. Just because one of the core mechanics is for the player to choose from the given options within the story, and just because Bioware has a history of intergrating fan feedback, does not deny Bioware the freedom to experiment with and introduce new concepts. In fact some of the very things that hte same fans love and appreciate like the 'player romances' and 'gay relationships' and etc are products of Bioware 'experimenting'.

The endings being poor is almost irrelevant and very much a seperate issue to this imo.

Fun fact: Planescape Torment, which was lauded for introducing romances into the RPG genre, and many other things, was made by the developer Black Isle before BG2, which was the first Bioware game to have romanceable NPCs. Bioware did not experiment with the romances, only using them when another developer demonstrated they were a potentially popular part of a game, whilst the gay relationships are in response to a large demand by gay Bioware fans for just such a thing.

As for the entire experimenting question, I'd like to say that experimenting in general is fine. Mass Effect 1 was an experiment, Mass Effect 2 experimented with gameplay features. But they were not an ending which a few million were waiting for. If you've got everyone hooked on your sci-fi epic, suddenly changing tack at the end is not a smart idea. Imagine if Return of the Jedi had ended with Luke in the Death Star, with the Emperor teling him that he was actually a mysterious entity protecting the universe from force users because force users inevitably turn to the dark side and cannot be redeemed, which would now have to be accomplished by shutting down all hyperdrives, killing the force, killing Han Solo, so that Leia would never know about it. Luke then goes ahead and does this without arguing, and that the last thing you saw was an enormous galaxy wide explosion, and then Chewbacca, Leia and Lando stepping out of a crashed Millennium Falcon on some random planet far from Endor. The universe which millions fell in love with would have been largely demolished, characters would have mysteriously been beamed off planet, and a conflict which had been building up for three games would have been avoided altogether. The audience would have been livid, and Lucas would rightly have been scorned by the film-making community.

The end is absolutely the *worst* time to experiment, because it's the time you will make your audience the most angry and disappointed if the experiment fails, and the longer the build up to the ending, the greater the disappointment and anger! I respect Bioware for trying something brave, but it was also kind of naive of them.

Modifié par Versidious, 05 avril 2012 - 08:22 .

[Calamity]

masseffect217 wrote...

Completely agree with The Angry One.

AtlasMickey, you are not doing the fanbase of Bioware any favours. It's almost like you're being paid by Bioware/EA to try and sell the ending as good.

You..er...might want to check yourself for indoctrination.

I see these people more in the light of being paid to make retakers look like angry teens, so our threads and discussions can get locked and people banned because some cant hold their temper. I see some pretty inflamatory remarks from them but none of the mods ever shut them up. I dont understand why they come to our threads...I dont visit their happy threads and disrupt them, to me that would be rude...

[iotha1804]

Don't they learn anything from this fiasco? If empty words and lies are cakes, they could have save the world from famine. We are already fed up really! Especially from both of you. Show us, not tell us.

Modifié par iotha1804, 05 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[Aran Linvail]

soulprovider wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

"Dammit Casey, a number of our fans are onto us."

Casey "So who do we send to their deaths at pax"
Gamble "lets send the good writers we don't need them any way."

L O L

[Tehzim]

hwf wrote...

Stock up on popcorn. Stay away from any active fans.
Hope for the best.

I am so feeling exhausted from all this ending stuff.  If I didn't love it so bad I wouldn't care.  I have pretzels.

[Calamity]

I have coffee and chips. Have some sodas in the fridge if anyone wants one.

[Adsinjapan]

The less chatter about "being excited" the better. Instead of stirring the pot so much to try and recover some of the buzz, just focus on the work, keep your lips sealed and don't drop the ball.

Just deliver. That's all we're asking.

[BrianWilly]

I'll believe it when I see it. A broken trust is a tough thing to mend.

[Beti88]

Less than two days, people.

[Remus Artega]

Poor Patrick Weekes ...he of all people does not deserve the rage that will be unleashed at PAX if they don't pay sufficient time discussing the ending(s)...

[Christianswe]

HOPE

[CasbynessPC]

Remus Artega wrote...

Poor Patrick Weekes ...he of all people does not deserve the rage that will be unleashed at PAX if they don't pay sufficient time discussing the ending(s)...

Heck if things go South at PAX I expect Weekes to pull a Darth Vader and throw Emperor Priestly down into an abyss

Or at least switch sides and take up a pitchfork with the rest of the audience.

It will be very interesting to see how PAX is handled. The panel can't exactly say "sorry, we didn't write the ending, the two guys who did aren't here, so we can't discuss it". But neither can they turn on the absentee ending writers, even just slightly via veiled comments agreeing with the fans. All that leaves them is the Chewbacca defense, really.

I hate all this face-saving PR and deflection tactics. If any one of the staff at Bioware was working alone without a big company leaning on them "assuming direct control" they would, like any other human being, just announce "yeah sorry, I got it wrong, but I'm gonna fix it...by doing this...etc etc". I don't know why people go crazy when thye become part of an organisation that pays them a salary. So what if they fire you? They hired you because you were worth more to them than your salary, it's their loss if you leave and there are plenty of other organisations out there to work for. What's worth more to a person, their monthly wages or the legacy of their character and the quality of what they created in life to leave for others?