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[Bill Casey]

txgoldrush wrote...

Wrong..lets recount Ashley again

Huge plot particpation in Mars...lots of open wheel...

...two hospital conversations (three if you want to count her unconscious)...big open wheel for both, plays a big impact later.

.Plot particpation during the coup.

Her rejoining conversation.

Her with her sis at the memorial wall.

Her at Apollo Cafe

Drunk Ashley

Romance

Goodbye

all open wheel

This...
I don't understand the "Less wheel conversations" thing, because it's blatantly untrue...
They just don't have the same dialog wheel you've exhausted all options on staring you in the face when the character has nothing new or revelent to say...

They've added frequent ambient conversations ON TOP of the periodic wheel conversations present in the previous games where characters would quickly run out of things to say after five or six visits...

People who think there are fewer conversations are just objectively and painfully wrong...



Oh noes, I don't hear Garrus say, "Can it wait for a bit, I'm in the middle of some callibrations" after every mission...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 05 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[Calbeb]

Bill Casey wrote...

This...
I don't understand the "Less wheel conversations" thing, because it's blatantly untrue...
They just don't have the same dialog wheel you've exhausted all options on staring you in the face when the character has nothing new or revelent to say...

They've added frequent ambient conversations ON TOP of the periodic wheel conversations present in the previous games...



Oh noes, I don't hear Garrus say, "Can it wait for a bit, I'm in the middle of some callibrations" after every mission...

I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that people feel less agency to have discussions with the characters on their own terms. I am fairly certain that all of the characters have more dialogue than in previous games.

People had that same perception in Dragon Age 2. There was a lot of talk about how you never really got to have those long discussions with your characters. David Gaider righty commented that it simply wasn't true, there was both more ambient dialogue and more one on one dialogue wheel dialogue. The presentation of it, however, through the use of "companion quests" lead to that assertion.

Modifié par Calbeb, 05 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[KingKhan03]

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

1) Story
... too many endings lowered impact/quality
... starts slow, picks up, depresses me, falls flat, no multiple endings as promised (ie ending sucks)
2) Acting
... I liked the performances of main cast
... some supporting roles sounded rushed / nonprofessional
... in a "choose your own path" game I expect flatter performances (so ... no big deal)
... still, I was hoping BioWare had learned some new tricks after their work on SW:TOR
3) Production
... where do I begin?
... bad editing
... bad story pacing
... bad audio pacing
... jump edits ... say what? why does any modern production have jump edits?
... schizophrenic eyelines
... poor lipsync
... fake difficulty (Kai Leng, etc)
... ... KL destroyed story immersion
... lack of continuity
... etc etc etc
4) Multimedia (graphics/sound)
... sound/score was beautiful
... visuals on the other hand
... ... dreadful
... ... I think they actually took several steps backwards from ME2
5) Gameplay
... uh, I miss the old minigames
... one button does all in combat made some levels a nightmare
... ... GOAL: escape level
... ... ACTUAL: mistakingly duck into cover over and over and over
... ... RESULT: needless reloads due to death
... endless sections with no save option
... ... followed by even more nightmarish sections where you could save unrestricted ???
... ... I don't understand this, but it left me just wanting those sections to end already!
... waves of enemies - really? ... waves are all you could come up with?
... constant collision detection errors
... ... may be system specific: I got stuck every time I spoke to EDI on the bridge unless I stood in one specific spot
... ... spent more than one level stuck to a squadmate as they ran to a new location (controls reported "BLOCKED")
... squadmate proximity mine
... ... still drops where player is standing instead of where squadmate is standing
... multiplayer addition (pointless - this was a singleplayer game series)
... character import flawed (graphics/data)
... the mission journal ... need I say more?
... replayability destroyed by ending
... etc etc etc

My conclusion?
... ME3 sucks ... sorta ... okay, compromise, it's mediocre at best.

With a repaired/clarified ending at least it should become replayable.

lets whine......are you ignoring all the flaws of the first two while your at it?

Dang dude ride BioWare's nuts harder.

[BlankPage]

Think of it like you're eating a REALLY good cake. And you love this cake more then the others you've tried. Then in the final piece, you find a live cockroach in it. Sure eating the cake before you knew the cockroach was in it, was amazing! But, now that you know the roach was in it.. It's just ruined..

And you probably won't be buying from the same baker again >.>

[txgoldrush]

Calbeb wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

This...
I don't understand the "Less wheel conversations" thing, because it's blatantly untrue...
They just don't have the same dialog wheel you've exhausted all options on staring you in the face when the character has nothing new or revelent to say...

They've added frequent ambient conversations ON TOP of the periodic wheel conversations present in the previous games...



Oh noes, I don't hear Garrus say, "Can it wait for a bit, I'm in the middle of some callibrations" after every mission...

I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that people feel less agency to have discussions with the characters on their own terms. I am fairly certain that all of the characters have more dialogue than in previous games.

People had that same perception in Dragon Age 2. There was a lot of talk about how you never really got to have those long discussions with your characters. David Gaider righty commented that it simply wasn't true, there was both more ambient dialogue and more one on one dialogue wheel dialogue. The presentation of it, however, through the use of "companion quests" lead to that assertion.

DA2 had a FAR better character system...........DAO wreaks of talking codex entry syndrome as well as the lack of plot participation for most of the characters. DAO characters lack development for the most part, unlike DA2. This shows the strength of this ambient dialogue and companion quests.

Really, fans should admit the old Bioware style of characterization is highly flawed.....characters became codexes instead of being characters, they lacked plot participation outside the dueteragonist and the tritagonist, characters lacked good character development outside the first two squaddies, or that its forced through dialogue and not plot events, and the characters are simply one or two dimensional compared to Biowares newer characters.....hell just because you have a lot of dialogue options don't make them more dimensional.

[txgoldrush]

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

1) Story
... too many endings lowered impact/quality
... starts slow, picks up, depresses me, falls flat, no multiple endings as promised (ie ending sucks)
2) Acting
... I liked the performances of main cast
... some supporting roles sounded rushed / nonprofessional
... in a "choose your own path" game I expect flatter performances (so ... no big deal)
... still, I was hoping BioWare had learned some new tricks after their work on SW:TOR
3) Production
... where do I begin?
... bad editing
... bad story pacing
... bad audio pacing
... jump edits ... say what? why does any modern production have jump edits?
... schizophrenic eyelines
... poor lipsync
... fake difficulty (Kai Leng, etc)
... ... KL destroyed story immersion
... lack of continuity
... etc etc etc
4) Multimedia (graphics/sound)
... sound/score was beautiful
... visuals on the other hand
... ... dreadful
... ... I think they actually took several steps backwards from ME2
5) Gameplay
... uh, I miss the old minigames
... one button does all in combat made some levels a nightmare
... ... GOAL: escape level
... ... ACTUAL: mistakingly duck into cover over and over and over
... ... RESULT: needless reloads due to death
... endless sections with no save option
... ... followed by even more nightmarish sections where you could save unrestricted ???
... ... I don't understand this, but it left me just wanting those sections to end already!
... waves of enemies - really? ... waves are all you could come up with?
... constant collision detection errors
... ... may be system specific: I got stuck every time I spoke to EDI on the bridge unless I stood in one specific spot
... ... spent more than one level stuck to a squadmate as they ran to a new location (controls reported "BLOCKED")
... squadmate proximity mine
... ... still drops where player is standing instead of where squadmate is standing
... multiplayer addition (pointless - this was a singleplayer game series)
... character import flawed (graphics/data)
... the mission journal ... need I say more?
... replayability destroyed by ending
... etc etc etc

My conclusion?
... ME3 sucks ... sorta ... okay, compromise, it's mediocre at best.

With a repaired/clarified ending at least it should become replayable.

lets whine......are you ignoring all the flaws of the first two while your at it?

Dang dude ride BioWare's nuts harder.

and lets whine more using double standards and hypocrisy....

[FreshRevenge]

BlankPage wrote...

Think of it like you're eating a REALLY good cake. And you love this cake more then the others you've tried. Then in the final piece, you find a live cockroach in it. Sure eating the cake before you knew the cockroach was in it, was amazing! But, now that you know the roach was in it.. It's just ruined..

And you probably won't be buying from the same baker again >.>

but then there are those people who don't mind the cockroaches and continue eating the cake since their house is filled with cockroaches.

They just think at least they are sharing the cake with friends:D

[KingKhan03]

txgoldrush wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

1) Story
... too many endings lowered impact/quality
... starts slow, picks up, depresses me, falls flat, no multiple endings as promised (ie ending sucks)
2) Acting
... I liked the performances of main cast
... some supporting roles sounded rushed / nonprofessional
... in a "choose your own path" game I expect flatter performances (so ... no big deal)
... still, I was hoping BioWare had learned some new tricks after their work on SW:TOR
3) Production
... where do I begin?
... bad editing
... bad story pacing
... bad audio pacing
... jump edits ... say what? why does any modern production have jump edits?
... schizophrenic eyelines
... poor lipsync
... fake difficulty (Kai Leng, etc)
... ... KL destroyed story immersion
... lack of continuity
... etc etc etc
4) Multimedia (graphics/sound)
... sound/score was beautiful
... visuals on the other hand
... ... dreadful
... ... I think they actually took several steps backwards from ME2
5) Gameplay
... uh, I miss the old minigames
... one button does all in combat made some levels a nightmare
... ... GOAL: escape level
... ... ACTUAL: mistakingly duck into cover over and over and over
... ... RESULT: needless reloads due to death
... endless sections with no save option
... ... followed by even more nightmarish sections where you could save unrestricted ???
... ... I don't understand this, but it left me just wanting those sections to end already!
... waves of enemies - really? ... waves are all you could come up with?
... constant collision detection errors
... ... may be system specific: I got stuck every time I spoke to EDI on the bridge unless I stood in one specific spot
... ... spent more than one level stuck to a squadmate as they ran to a new location (controls reported "BLOCKED")
... squadmate proximity mine
... ... still drops where player is standing instead of where squadmate is standing
... multiplayer addition (pointless - this was a singleplayer game series)
... character import flawed (graphics/data)
... the mission journal ... need I say more?
... replayability destroyed by ending
... etc etc etc

My conclusion?
... ME3 sucks ... sorta ... okay, compromise, it's mediocre at best.

With a repaired/clarified ending at least it should become replayable.

lets whine......are you ignoring all the flaws of the first two while your at it?

Dang dude ride BioWare's nuts harder.

and lets whine more using double standards and hypocrisy....

We get it you like BioWare games but there not flawless. Take off them BioWare coloured glasses and look at it from a different perspective i'm sure you'll find something.

[Fail_Inc]

Journal is a mess.
Press A for ALL the things is annoying )for some people).
Auto-Dialogue is also a problem for some.

But the game is still fun so you somehow play it.

Then the ending comes...

[Calbeb]

BlankPage wrote...

Think of it like you're eating a REALLY good cake. And you love this cake more then the others you've tried. Then in the final piece, you find a live cockroach in it. Sure eating the cake before you knew the cockroach was in it, was amazing! But, now that you know the roach was in it.. It's just ruined..

And you probably won't be buying from the same baker again >.>

I always feel like the TV show analogy is more apt. TV Shows are long serialized narratives. TV Shows often ask you to get incredibly connected with the characters. TV Shows often kill characters for narrative reasons.

I mean there is a reason why Mass Effect 2 is so often compared to a season of TV.

the main difference is that in mass Effect's case there is player agency, which gets people even MORE invested. So that usual anger when the Sopranos cuts to black, nothing is explained on the Island or Battlestar fallas apart(also right in the end) doesn't carry over.

[Iwillbeback]

Its certainly not great, I'm disappointed in bugs and lack of content.
The biggest one for are


- Lack of side missions
- No Mako or Hammerhead
- Certain characters have bugs
- The journal, it also forces me to start at the bottom.
- You need to import a ME3 character to get level 10 weapons.
- Lack of answers for anything

Modifié par Iwillbeback, 05 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[txgoldrush]

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

1) Story
... too many endings lowered impact/quality
... starts slow, picks up, depresses me, falls flat, no multiple endings as promised (ie ending sucks)
2) Acting
... I liked the performances of main cast
... some supporting roles sounded rushed / nonprofessional
... in a "choose your own path" game I expect flatter performances (so ... no big deal)
... still, I was hoping BioWare had learned some new tricks after their work on SW:TOR
3) Production
... where do I begin?
... bad editing
... bad story pacing
... bad audio pacing
... jump edits ... say what? why does any modern production have jump edits?
... schizophrenic eyelines
... poor lipsync
... fake difficulty (Kai Leng, etc)
... ... KL destroyed story immersion
... lack of continuity
... etc etc etc
4) Multimedia (graphics/sound)
... sound/score was beautiful
... visuals on the other hand
... ... dreadful
... ... I think they actually took several steps backwards from ME2
5) Gameplay
... uh, I miss the old minigames
... one button does all in combat made some levels a nightmare
... ... GOAL: escape level
... ... ACTUAL: mistakingly duck into cover over and over and over
... ... RESULT: needless reloads due to death
... endless sections with no save option
... ... followed by even more nightmarish sections where you could save unrestricted ???
... ... I don't understand this, but it left me just wanting those sections to end already!
... waves of enemies - really? ... waves are all you could come up with?
... constant collision detection errors
... ... may be system specific: I got stuck every time I spoke to EDI on the bridge unless I stood in one specific spot
... ... spent more than one level stuck to a squadmate as they ran to a new location (controls reported "BLOCKED")
... squadmate proximity mine
... ... still drops where player is standing instead of where squadmate is standing
... multiplayer addition (pointless - this was a singleplayer game series)
... character import flawed (graphics/data)
... the mission journal ... need I say more?
... replayability destroyed by ending
... etc etc etc

My conclusion?
... ME3 sucks ... sorta ... okay, compromise, it's mediocre at best.

With a repaired/clarified ending at least it should become replayable.

lets whine......are you ignoring all the flaws of the first two while your at it?

Dang dude ride BioWare's nuts harder.

and lets whine more using double standards and hypocrisy....

We get it you like BioWare games but there not flawless. Take off them BioWare coloured glasses and look at it from a different perspective i'm sure you'll find something.

oh wait...I did........

despite all the whining...ME3 is still another critically acclaimed Bioware game....

...oh am I supposed to share the opinion of a vocal minority now?

[IntoTheDarkness]

good shooter with a decent storytelling and horrible plotholes.

Not good enough to compete against classic BW RPGs

[HeroicHare]

It doesn´t suck as such it had some fantastic story elements like tuchanka and rannoch.. but i didnt like the way decided to dumb it down for first time players (repeating some past events from me1 and 2 in dialogs, overly easy moral choice system etc.) In my opinion if they were going to dumb it down, maybe they shouldn´t have done it in the THIRD GAME.

[Chuvvy]

As I've had more time to think about it, my score has lowered. I'd give it a 7 or a 7.5. Bad animations, combat is still clunky, auto dialog, the entire third act was well below the standard set in the rest of the game (hint, your game shouldn't peak in the first act), bad fetch quest, limited sidequest, almost no side characters, sprites everywhere, and a terrible journal. That's not even factoring in the ending.


Speaking of endings, I'm curious about what some of the gaming sites rated the replay value at.

[KingKhan03]

txgoldrush wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

1) Story
... too many endings lowered impact/quality
... starts slow, picks up, depresses me, falls flat, no multiple endings as promised (ie ending sucks)
2) Acting
... I liked the performances of main cast
... some supporting roles sounded rushed / nonprofessional
... in a "choose your own path" game I expect flatter performances (so ... no big deal)
... still, I was hoping BioWare had learned some new tricks after their work on SW:TOR
3) Production
... where do I begin?
... bad editing
... bad story pacing
... bad audio pacing
... jump edits ... say what? why does any modern production have jump edits?
... schizophrenic eyelines
... poor lipsync
... fake difficulty (Kai Leng, etc)
... ... KL destroyed story immersion
... lack of continuity
... etc etc etc
4) Multimedia (graphics/sound)
... sound/score was beautiful
... visuals on the other hand
... ... dreadful
... ... I think they actually took several steps backwards from ME2
5) Gameplay
... uh, I miss the old minigames
... one button does all in combat made some levels a nightmare
... ... GOAL: escape level
... ... ACTUAL: mistakingly duck into cover over and over and over
... ... RESULT: needless reloads due to death
... endless sections with no save option
... ... followed by even more nightmarish sections where you could save unrestricted ???
... ... I don't understand this, but it left me just wanting those sections to end already!
... waves of enemies - really? ... waves are all you could come up with?
... constant collision detection errors
... ... may be system specific: I got stuck every time I spoke to EDI on the bridge unless I stood in one specific spot
... ... spent more than one level stuck to a squadmate as they ran to a new location (controls reported "BLOCKED")
... squadmate proximity mine
... ... still drops where player is standing instead of where squadmate is standing
... multiplayer addition (pointless - this was a singleplayer game series)
... character import flawed (graphics/data)
... the mission journal ... need I say more?
... replayability destroyed by ending
... etc etc etc

My conclusion?
... ME3 sucks ... sorta ... okay, compromise, it's mediocre at best.

With a repaired/clarified ending at least it should become replayable.

lets whine......are you ignoring all the flaws of the first two while your at it?

Dang dude ride BioWare's nuts harder.

and lets whine more using double standards and hypocrisy....

We get it you like BioWare games but there not flawless. Take off them BioWare coloured glasses and look at it from a different perspective i'm sure you'll find something.

oh wait...I did........

despite all the whining...ME3 is still another critically acclaimed Bioware game....

...oh am I supposed to share the opinion of a vocal minority now?

Haha you are a gem indeed. If people didn't like something about the game will they be sentenced to death for expressing it? Critically acclaimed? ooo Godaaaamnnn that's amaaazing i'm shivering in my boots. I dont much care for this vocal minority business people are entitled to believe what they want to believe.

[FreshRevenge]

KingKhan03 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

1) Story
... too many endings lowered impact/quality
... starts slow, picks up, depresses me, falls flat, no multiple endings as promised (ie ending sucks)
2) Acting
... I liked the performances of main cast
... some supporting roles sounded rushed / nonprofessional
... in a "choose your own path" game I expect flatter performances (so ... no big deal)
... still, I was hoping BioWare had learned some new tricks after their work on SW:TOR
3) Production
... where do I begin?
... bad editing
... bad story pacing
... bad audio pacing
... jump edits ... say what? why does any modern production have jump edits?
... schizophrenic eyelines
... poor lipsync
... fake difficulty (Kai Leng, etc)
... ... KL destroyed story immersion
... lack of continuity
... etc etc etc
4) Multimedia (graphics/sound)
... sound/score was beautiful
... visuals on the other hand
... ... dreadful
... ... I think they actually took several steps backwards from ME2
5) Gameplay
... uh, I miss the old minigames
... one button does all in combat made some levels a nightmare
... ... GOAL: escape level
... ... ACTUAL: mistakingly duck into cover over and over and over
... ... RESULT: needless reloads due to death
... endless sections with no save option
... ... followed by even more nightmarish sections where you could save unrestricted ???
... ... I don't understand this, but it left me just wanting those sections to end already!
... waves of enemies - really? ... waves are all you could come up with?
... constant collision detection errors
... ... may be system specific: I got stuck every time I spoke to EDI on the bridge unless I stood in one specific spot
... ... spent more than one level stuck to a squadmate as they ran to a new location (controls reported "BLOCKED")
... squadmate proximity mine
... ... still drops where player is standing instead of where squadmate is standing
... multiplayer addition (pointless - this was a singleplayer game series)
... character import flawed (graphics/data)
... the mission journal ... need I say more?
... replayability destroyed by ending
... etc etc etc

My conclusion?
... ME3 sucks ... sorta ... okay, compromise, it's mediocre at best.

With a repaired/clarified ending at least it should become replayable.

lets whine......are you ignoring all the flaws of the first two while your at it?

Dang dude ride BioWare's nuts harder.

sorry this post is actually for the guy with long list. Do you have SHIITFORBRAINS? There is a treatment for that? It's called school!

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 05 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[txgoldrush]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

good shooter with a decent storytelling and horrible plotholes.

Not good enough to compete against classic BW RPGs

Oh wait...Throne of Bhaal has a big plothole...oops

[txgoldrush]

Slidell505 wrote...

As I've had more time to think about it, my score has lowered. I'd give it a 7 or a 7.5. Bad animations, combat is still clunky, auto dialog, the entire third act was well below the standard set in the rest of the game (hint, your game shouldn't peak in the first act), bad fetch quest, limited sidequest, almost no side characters, sprites everywhere, and a terrible journal. That's not even factoring in the ending.


Speaking of endings, I'm curious about what some of the gaming sites rated the replay value at.

almost no side characters......WOW

...you might want to kinda check the facts before you criticize.

Eve says hi!!!!!

Modifié par txgoldrush, 05 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[IntoTheDarkness]

txgoldrush wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

good shooter with a decent storytelling and horrible plotholes.

Not good enough to compete against classic BW RPGs

Oh wait...Throne of Bhaal has a big plothole...oops

Jade Empire/ Mass effect 1,2 / Dragon Age Origin / KOTOR

far less plotholes.

[Rulycar]

dreman9999 wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

*A giant post filledwithnothing but nickpicks...

See, I was under the impression that EA/BioWare were capable of professional quality.
If I had done the same in TV/Film, my career would have ended.

Don't settle for mediocrity.

[txgoldrush]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

good shooter with a decent storytelling and horrible plotholes.

Not good enough to compete against classic BW RPGs

Oh wait...Throne of Bhaal has a big plothole...oops

Jade Empire/ Mass effect 1,2 / Dragon Age Origin / KOTOR

far less plotholes.

Jade Empire has some bad bad contrived writing......Dawn Star says...lets go to Dirge!!!!!

The entire side quest structure of ME1 was a PLOT HOLE.....I guess Saren has all day.

[KingKhan03]

txgoldrush wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

good shooter with a decent storytelling and horrible plotholes.

Not good enough to compete against classic BW RPGs

Oh wait...Throne of Bhaal has a big plothole...oops

Jade Empire/ Mass effect 1,2 / Dragon Age Origin / KOTOR

far less plotholes.

Jade Empire has some bad bad contrived writing......Dawn Star says...lets go to Dirge!!!!!

The entire side quest structure of ME1 was a PLOT HOLE.....I guess Saren has all day.

Wow i'm at a loss for words i can't tell if you like Mass Effect or hate it? ME3 has plotholes.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 05 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[txgoldrush]

Rulycar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

*A giant post filledwithnothing but nickpicks...

See, I was under the impression that EA/BioWare were capable of professional quality.
If I had done the same in TV/Film, my career would have ended.

Don't settle for mediocrity.

I bet you couldn't do better...armchair developer.

[KingKhan03]

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

*A giant post filledwithnothing but nickpicks...

See, I was under the impression that EA/BioWare were capable of professional quality.
If I had done the same in TV/Film, my career would have ended.

Don't settle for mediocrity.

I bet you couldn't do better...armchair developer.

LOL Wha...what are you doing now you're just throwing insults at people. This is Troll hall of fame worthy.