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[Henioo]

I'd say around 80% of the game was great.

And that doesn't cover the ending.

[Mbednar]

efive wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

efive wrote...

I think the main point I wanted to make is that the first 2 games were built on the Dark Energy/Matter storyline, and the 3rd is not. The whole human reaper being created in the 2nd game becomes irrelevant and in turn most of the second game. What was supposed to be an important sequel turned into a filler game that barely meant anything.

Yeah filler for the most part.  But based on ME3 logic, they were building the Human Reaper to basically convert humans into reapers to preserve them.  They were going to do the same to the other races.

Also, the other games BARELY alluded to the Dark Energy plot.  There were a few things (Talis Loyalty Mission becaomes UTTERLY POINTLESS LOL).  But most of the games were written in a way that Bioware could go in any direction for the 3rd game.

You have to take note to the fact that they were using the collectors to abduct humans only, and creating a reaper in the image of a human. In the Dark Energy plot the reapers believed that the human's diversity could be a "saving throw" to solve this problem. Apparently there were some things that set back the reapers in the current cycle and delayed their coming. As they were running out of time they discovered humans and wanted to harvest them to combat the imminent doom or whatever. There was a big reason behind choosing HUMANS to make this reaper. With the current story in me3 this is al thrown away.

Yeah, the game is filler for the most part.  I'm just saying that making a Human Reaper isn't "pointless" by ME3 standards.  I guess you could argue that they were getting a head start   If the reapers aren't in the galaxy yet, they have to rely on the collectors to get things started.  No sense in wasting resources building multiple reapers.  Instead focus on one species reaper to get things done.

Again I'm just making excuses.  And yes it makes most of the game just filler.  But it does bring the Krogan Genophage into the spotlight.  It introduces how it heavily affects the Krogan on their home planet and what dire need they are in.

So at least it introduces plot points to be used in ME3.

[deimosmasque]

Rulycar wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

*A giant post filledwithnothing but nickpicks...

See, I was under the impression that EA/BioWare were capable of professional quality.
If I had done the same in TV/Film, my career would have ended.

Don't settle for mediocrity.

I bet you couldn't do better...armchair developer.

I'm a retired television producer/director ...
... and I did do better.

Legitametly intersted: what television shows did you work on?

[efive]

doug.fox wrote...

Despite anyone's opinion on the ending, It's is a great game. In my eyes, one of the best ever created. It's sad how people don't see the series as they used to just 4 weeks ago. Get over it, everyone.

Please STFU troll... thanks.

Edit: The game could have been more than great. It could have and I believe Bioware WAS talented enough to make it an incredible game, probably the best  have ever played. EA has replaced many of the people with decision making power with yes-men and degraded the company. Biowares last 3 games have been rushed and have suffered for it.

Modifié par efive, 05 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[Calbeb]

efive wrote...

doug.fox wrote...

Despite anyone's opinion on the ending, It's is a great game. In my eyes, one of the best ever created. It's sad how people don't see the series as they used to just 4 weeks ago. Get over it, everyone.

Please STFU troll... thanks.

While I wouldn't tell people to "get over it" you could probably follow your own advice here efive.

[Pee Jae]

That's the thing, really. If the rest of the game wasn't so good, a lot of us would just be done with it and move along to the next game. (A few have.) "Meh, that kind of sucked, oh hey, Diablo 3."

Not saying there aren't problems, there are quite a few, but as a whole, the entire trilogy up until the end is quite good. That's why we're all here complaining.

[Mbednar]

Calbeb wrote...

efive wrote...

doug.fox wrote...

Despite anyone's opinion on the ending, It's is a great game. In my eyes, one of the best ever created. It's sad how people don't see the series as they used to just 4 weeks ago. Get over it, everyone.

Please STFU troll... thanks.

While I wouldn't tell people to "get over it" you could probably follow your own advice here efive.

Yeah that wasn't necessay efive, but please don't start another flame war over this sigh.

[QuantumSheep13]

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

[KingKhan03]

Games have problems and glitches that's just the way it is Mass Effect 3 was a good and fun game until it fell apart at imo the most important part of the game the end of the trilogy.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 05 avril 2012 - 09:07 .

[Mbednar]

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

Eh?  Really?

Can you honestly say that if I threw a random pile of games at you that this wouldn't be one of the best.  I mean there are some REALLY BAD games made out there .  I think this is at least an 8-9 range.

Its fully voiced, compelling original story, solid gameplay (nothing new but solid), great characters, ect

[KingKhan03]

Mbednar wrote...

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

Eh?  Really?

Can you honestly say that if I threw a random pile of games at you that this wouldn't be one of the best.  I mean there are some REALLY BAD games made out there .  I think this is at least an 8-9 range.

Its fully voiced, compelling original story, solid gameplay (nothing new but solid), great characters, ect

I would give it an 8 it was a pretty good game I enjoyed it alot the ending is a whole other issue.

[Mbednar]

KingKhan03 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

Eh?  Really?

Can you honestly say that if I threw a random pile of games at you that this wouldn't be one of the best.  I mean there are some REALLY BAD games made out there .  I think this is at least an 8-9 range.

Its fully voiced, compelling original story, solid gameplay (nothing new but solid), great characters, ect

I would give it an 8 it was a pretty good game I enjoyed it alot the ending is a whole other issue.

Try this.  I posted it before too.  But I like it.  It helps with the closure XD

shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

Fan made Epilogue Generator.  Pretty Darn Good Too.

[KingKhan03]

Mbednar wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

Eh?  Really?

Can you honestly say that if I threw a random pile of games at you that this wouldn't be one of the best.  I mean there are some REALLY BAD games made out there .  I think this is at least an 8-9 range.

Its fully voiced, compelling original story, solid gameplay (nothing new but solid), great characters, ect

I would give it an 8 it was a pretty good game I enjoyed it alot the ending is a whole other issue.

Try this.  I posted it before too.  But I like it.  It helps with the closure XD

shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/

Fan made Epilogue Generator.  Pretty Darn Good Too.

I actually did do that it was pretty interesting hopefully some good news comes our way April 6th.

[Big_Choppa]

My favorite thing about this game is the music. It's some of the best I've heard from any video game. I applaud them for that.

But that ending.......<_<

[Mbednar]

Big_Choppa wrote...

My favorite thing about this game is the music. It's some of the best I've heard from any video game. I applaud them for that.

But that ending.......<_<

Honestly whenever I heard the ME1 music play, I got chills.  It just fit with the scenes perfectly.  Especially the Post Mordin Sacrifice scene when the Genophage Cure is "snowing" from the sky.  Perfect music in my opinion.

[DerberAuner]

okidoki heres my take on this:

mass effect three has an awesome single player......



for a standard run-of-the-mill shooter


for a mass effect game on the other hand....
the shooter mechanics have improved (as evidenced by the sheer number of weapons alone, cant believe no one noticed that) somewhat drastically.
the rpg systemis basically nonexistant (compared to the first game, though this might be an unfair comparison as ther e might be a trade off involved with rpg vs. shooter)
the story elements were streamlined to a point where i say im basically playing a (somewhat) longer shooter, not an rpg
there were a few VERY nice moments (mordins death, brokering peace between geth n quarians) but these, unfortunately, are overshadowed by the ending and its implication, that these actions were pointless......
what also kind of pissed me off, was that you couldnt choose in which order you recruit the major races. in me1 you had four primary missions, once they were done you had to go to ilos, but still, you could kill benezia well before getting liara (did that in my first playthrough, never after it). you just had more freedom in the order in which you chose to persue your mission.
and this is a major issue. i basically wouldve loved to do the whole genophage thing with tali in my squad, or have her with me when "visiting" palaven.
instead, i have to wait for my favorite squadmate to get recruited until ive played half the game......


however, as was mentioned before by someone else, i too could have lived with that if the ending wasnt so abyssmal


in short:
whether or not mass effect sucked depends largely on what you expected from the game and what you wanted out of it.
if a) you wanted to play a shooter with some story in the me universe, youre definetely getting your moneys worth
if you were expecting a ME 1 style RPG where your choices matter and shape the future of the galaxy and the people around you only with better combat mechanics, i.e. an improved version of ME 2, you were definetely left out in the cold
this is made even worse since we were basically promised and got a). at least i feel that way.

[efive]

tetsutsuru wrote...

In fairness, and to be clear:  Mass Effect 3 DOES NOT suck.  Granted, there are bugs such as the occasional crash-to-desktop after the cutscene of the Normandy escaping from Mars, or the crash-to-desktop after viewing the Prothean recording in Priority:  Eden Prime, or the "Vanguard Glitch" in Multiplayer, minor things really, and expected (unfortunately) in projects as complex and grand a scale such as this.  But Mass Effect 3 *IS* a VERY GOOD game nonetheless.

So, let's exercise a little objectivity here; the problem many, if not most, have with is the last 10-15 minutes of the game.  Essentially, EVERYTHING after being hit by Harbinger's giant laser.

(We should have listened to Wrex on that one.)

Let's also keep from fueling any further "hate" until we hear what BioWare has to say at PAX.  There's more than enough of that going around already, and does nothing but make us all feel worse, and some folks look bad.  BioWare has given us brilliant games in the past:  KotOR, ME1, ME2, etc., which we've enjoyed.  What's ~1.5 days to hear what they have for us?

Right?

The problem is that this is no longer BIOWARE, Its EA. DA2, SWTOR, and ME3 have all suffered from corporate yesmen and rushed release dates. Broken promises and poor execution provide much fuel to our rage. However I am looking forward to the live stream of pax east... I guarantee **** is going to hit the fan if they offer dlc to fix the ending for $10. INB4 massive ddos attacks and hacking of ORIGIN and EA.

[KingKhan03]

[QuantumSheep13]

Mbednar wrote...

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

Eh?  Really?

Can you honestly say that if I threw a random pile of games at you that this wouldn't be one of the best.  I mean there are some REALLY BAD games made out there .  I think this is at least an 8-9 range.

Its fully voiced, compelling original story, solid gameplay (nothing new but solid), great characters, ect

ME3 was dumbed down for the shooter crowd and is full of obvious laziness. I've mentioned it before, with the side-missions being acquired through eavesdropping and not actual proper conversations, auto-dialogue galore and a serious shift of focus from plot onto action. The character interactions were good (for some characters, anyway). The lack of squadmates for apparent "deeper relationships" just stinks of laziness, since the reltionships aren't any more deeper than they were in ME2 and having less characters to write for obviously makes things easier on the writers. The writing in parts of ME3 was iffy, especially in the last act of the game (things go downhill at Thessia). Its attempts to gain emotional response from the player through heavy-handedness (the death of the kid and the destruction of Thessia) just kill immersion for me. Every mission is nothing but a gunfight down a glorified corridor, interspersed with scripted events. It feels more like CoD or Gears of War in that regard.

On a more technicial side, the graphics (on the Xbox 360 version) look as if they're a step backwards form the graphics in ME2, with some awful textures and framerate issues. Bugs are everywhere, such as the face import problem that still isn't fixed from what I can tell.

Too many big release games nowadays are unspectacular and disappointing. I find myself playing older games more often now (Deus Ex, Rainbow Six [the early ones, not the ****ty new ones], Medal of Honour, etc.) since games these days usually fail to deliver.

[linkrulesx10]

The game was great, if it was a poor game there wouldn't be as much outrage.

The ending on the hand was less then acceptable.

[DerberAuner]

linkrulesx10 wrote...

The game was great, if it was a poor game there wouldn't be as much outrage.

The ending on the hand was less then acceptable.

the outrage doesnt come from the love of the game, it comes from the love of the franchise, i.e. me1 and 2 (in my opinion).
the first 2 game can easily overshadow any shortcomings of the 3rd. so long as the ending wouldve made a good impression, i doubt these minor issues mentioned before wouldve mattered to most people.

[Banelash]

titanic was a great ship too, until the end.

[frozn89]

The game is awesome, best game I've played in in years. However, the ending does suck =P Really looking forward to PAX tomorrow.

[ElementL09]

Everyone knows Mass Effect 3 was a great game, its just the last 10-15 minutes of that really suck.

[The Night Mammoth]

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

Mbednar wrote...

QuantumSheep13 wrote...

ME3 is far from being a "great" game. I'd give it 7/10, tops. I'd probably dock it a point for the endings, but that's being a bit silly.

Eh?  Really?

Can you honestly say that if I threw a random pile of games at you that this wouldn't be one of the best.  I mean there are some REALLY BAD games made out there .  I think this is at least an 8-9 range.

Its fully voiced, compelling original story, solid gameplay (nothing new but solid), great characters, ect

ME3 was dumbed down for the shooter crowd and is full of obvious laziness. I've mentioned it before, with the side-missions being acquired through eavesdropping and not actual proper conversations, auto-dialogue galore and a serious shift of focus from plot onto action. The character interactions were good (for some characters, anyway). The lack of squadmates for apparent "deeper relationships" just stinks of laziness, since the reltionships aren't any more deeper than they were in ME2 and having less characters to write for obviously makes things easier on the writers. The writing in parts of ME3 was iffy, especially in the last act of the game (things go downhill at Thessia). Its attempts to gain emotional response from the player through heavy-handedness (the death of the kid and the destruction of Thessia) just kill immersion for me. Every mission is nothing but a gunfight down a glorified corridor, interspersed with scripted events. It feels more like CoD or Gears of War in that regard.

I have to agree with a lot of this. 

A shame, because the shooting really is very good now. With improvements in all the above areas it would be the fantastic game other people say it is, to me. 

To be honest though, I thought Thessia was pretty good. I little bit forced I'll agree, but it certainly feels like Shepard is in the pit of despair afterwards. After Sanctuary is where things get worse.