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[tetsutsuru]

tschamp wrote...

tetsutsuru wrote...

In fairness, and to be clear:  Mass Effect 3 DOES NOT suck.  Granted, there are bugs such as the occasional crash-to-desktop after the cutscene of the Normandy escaping from Mars, or the crash-to-desktop after viewing the Prothean recording in Priority:  Eden Prime, or the "Vanguard Glitch" in Multiplayer, minor things really, and expected (unfortunately) in projects as complex and grand a scale such as this.  But Mass Effect 3 *IS* a VERY GOOD game nonetheless.

So, let's exercise a little objectivity here; the problem many, if not most, have with is the last 10-15 minutes of the game.  Essentially, EVERYTHING after being hit by Harbinger's giant laser.

(We should have listened to Wrex on that one.)

Let's also keep from fueling any further "hate" until we hear what BioWare has to say at PAX.  There's more than enough of that going around already, and does nothing but make us all feel worse, and some folks look bad.  BioWare has given us brilliant games in the past:  KotOR, ME1, ME2, etc., which we've enjoyed.  What's ~1.5 days to hear what they have for us?

Right?

I think a majority of people who dislike the ending will agree that ME 3 doesn't suck. It is disappointing to the lack of creativity that was place in the ending. There was a major lack of testing in game engine with NUMEROUS glitches. The mulit-player is the worst thing that happen to ME franchise because BIOWARE has made it the focus of ME 3 instead of the Single play by allowing MP effecting SP.

The Majority of people are saying that Bioware dropped the ball on a lot of minor issues when creating ME 3 and marketing ME 3. Those minor issues add up to less than epic game experience which Bioware is known for in their games. I don't hate Bioware. I think Bioware could a lot better and has shown they can with ME 1 and ME 2. They have come off, especially with release statement since the ending controversty, as sitting back reliving their past acomplishments. Instead of acting swiftly, they are dragging their feet. Instead of truly listening to their customers, they are listening to "critics". Basically, Bioware has forgotten what made them great and allowed themselves to slide into just good game company.

Thanks.

And, please forgive the slight off-topic here, but your post reminded me of the slogan of an older game developer, Interplay, I believe, which was, "By Gamers, For Gamers".  Which was pretty damn cool.

Modifié par tetsutsuru, 05 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[blooregard]

With the ignorable (IMO) bugs I'd say ME3 is one of the best games of 2012 so far...but those last. 5. minutes.

[WarChicken78]

tetsutsuru wrote...

In fairness, and to be clear:  Mass Effect 3 DOES NOT suck.  Granted, there are bugs such as the occasional crash-to-desktop after the cutscene of the Normandy escaping from Mars, or the crash-to-desktop after viewing the Prothean recording in Priority:  Eden Prime, or the "Vanguard Glitch" in Multiplayer, minor things really, and expected (unfortunately) in projects as complex and grand a scale such as this.  But Mass Effect 3 *IS* a VERY GOOD game nonetheless.

So, let's exercise a little objectivity here; the problem many, if not most, have with is the last 10-15 minutes of the game.  Essentially, EVERYTHING after being hit by Harbinger's giant laser.

(We should have listened to Wrex on that one.)

Let's also keep from fueling any further "hate" until we hear what BioWare has to say at PAX.  There's more than enough of that going around already, and does nothing but make us all feel worse, and some folks look bad.  BioWare has given us brilliant games in the past:  KotOR, ME1, ME2, etc., which we've enjoyed.  What's ~1.5 days to hear what they have for us?

Right?

I do agree with you, ME3 is a very good game. Your described crashes
didn't happen once to me. On my side the only serious bug I experienced
is that shepard got stuck on the cockpit two times.
But since you don't loose even one word about the ending, I suppose you didn't get there, yet.
I also thought "Waaah, what a bunch of unpleasable morons - the game is phantastic". Until I experienced the end, which is very, very frustrating.
Yes, the ending doesn't make the game itself bad - it's still very good, but it destroys THE key element in the story and leaves you hollow and unfulfilled.

If you want to do me a favour - play till the end, and then send me a PM how you like it. Or better post your revisited opinion here and PM me with a link here.

blooregard wrote...

With the ignorable (IMO) bugs I'd say ME3 is one of the best games of 2012 so far...but those last. 5. minutes.

Yep. That is the short version of my speech. I absolutely agree.

Modifié par WarChicken78, 05 avril 2012 - 05:26 .

[2484Stryker]

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

[WarChicken78]

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

And that is not true. All the wonderful elements of ME1 and ME2 storywise are there.
It had everything of its predecessors and sometimes even more. Only the last minutes destroyed it all.
You make phantastic choices in grandious subplots and atmospheres, that don't matter ihe slightest bit in the end.

It really is only the ending, that makes ME2 not stand up to ME1 and ME2

Modifié par WarChicken78, 05 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[humansrsuperior]

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

Yes.

[Vhalkyrie]

I'm not swayed. It sucked.

[MrGone]

Also: ME3 is easily the buggiest Mass Effect - overall. I mean, it just breaks a LOT. Mostly in litte ways, but ESPECIALLY around Javik. I brought him with me to Thessia, and during that incredibly crucial cinematic he has with Liara, he decided that his model was going to be motionless and in the background instead of its proper placement - for the entire 10 minute cinematic.

It's this really emotional cinematic too, where he confromts Liara on all Asaris religion and breaks her faith with history and fact, and she's hurt, AND THEN Kai Leng shows up and it gets more dramatic. But in mine, Javik was just stuck there, doing nothing, while a camera pointed at an empty space a third of the time.

I mean, it'd be like trying to watch a movie but for an entire scene the camera just becomes horribly blurry or the mic on on of the characters isn't working and it wasn't fixed in ADR. You would call BS on the production of the film, and be right too.

ME3 was rushed, and everything proves that. The bugs, the slapped together ending that re-uses assets, the myriad little scripts and things that look like they're half complete.

The only thing they had done on time and in advance was the music. It's great.

[humansrsuperior]

WarChicken78 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

And that is not true. All the wonderful elements of ME1 and ME2 storywise are there.
It had everything of its predecessors and sometimes even more. Only the last minutes destroyed it all.
You make phantastic choices in grandious subplots and atmospheres, that don't matter ihe slightest bit in the end.

It has some great moments, yes, and it has some epic decisions (which none of them matter ugh), yes, but overall it really isn't up to par with ME1 and 2.  There is a very distinct lack of dialogue, dialogue options, and character interaction (note: a LACK, not absence.  Yes I love that that the squadmates talk to each other again and move around the ship.  That's not what I'm talking about).  Side missions are almost nonexistance.  You have ME2 squad missions, and then scanning.  That's it.  Also there isn't any choice in the order of events, like in ME1, you could chose which planet to go to first, in ME2, which order to recruit your squad, etc.  None of this is present, in the least, in ME3.  It's very railroad, very straight forward, very barebones.  I hate saying it but it's true, it did not feel like a Bioware game to me.  They needed more time.  

[2484Stryker]

WarChicken78 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

And that is not true. All the wonderful elements of ME1 and ME2 storywise are there.
It had everything of its predecessors and sometimes even more. Only the last minutes destroyed it all.
You make phantastic choices in grandious subplots and atmospheres, that don't matter ihe slightest bit in the end.

It really is only the ending, that makes ME2 not stand up to ME1 and ME2

Then you and I have a difference of opinion on this matter.  No biggie.

In my opinion, ME3 nailed its combat mechanics & weapon mod systems down pretty good.  But in terms of story and character development & mission exposition & ending, it really didn't live up to its predecessors.  Now, certain missions were better than others, and a few were notably very well done (e.g. Tuchanka).  For the most part, however, ME3 in my mind wasn't the rollercoaster ride that I had hoped it would be...it's more like fries with too much or too little salt.

And I'm sure EA plans on making Bioware release a TON of DLCs to spruce up this very "barebones" edition of the game.  There will be better sidemissions & perhaps even additional squadmates.  Those will improve the game somewhat.  

Modifié par 2484Stryker, 05 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[jules_vern18]

Mass Effect 3 is a great game with an ending so bad that it retroactively makes the trilogy "suck."

If any other epic tale (literature, film, games, books, whatever) ended this nonsensically, the entire work would go down negatively in the minds of fans and viewers. Star Wars, the Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter - take your pick of analogies, but if Sam had killed Frodo and ran off with the ring to marry Gollum and live out his life in the Lonely Mountain, people would say that their experience with the novels sucked.

Luckily, Bioware still has the *opportunity* to fix this, save the franchise, and cement their trilogy as one of the best sci-fi stories of all time. Looking (cautiously) forward to PAX.

[Wolfen919]

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

The Charnel Expanse wrote...

Kevlar xD wrote...

How's the face import working for you?

When was the last time you played a game without bugs?

Yes, the face import thing was an irritant, but compare that with what you see in Bethesda games.

hold up.
Bethesda games are huge. I'd like to see you try to make  a game that big without a flaw somewhere.
Most bugs in Bethesda games aren't as important as the main character's face.

Couldn't complete the game upon day 1 purchase. Bug prevented me from talking to an npc to continue the main plot.
It's pretty important I would say... 

[humansrsuperior]

2484Stryker wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

And that is not true. All the wonderful elements of ME1 and ME2 storywise are there.
It had everything of its predecessors and sometimes even more. Only the last minutes destroyed it all.
You make phantastic choices in grandious subplots and atmospheres, that don't matter ihe slightest bit in the end.

It really is only the ending, that makes ME2 not stand up to ME1 and ME2

Then you and I have a difference of opinion on this matter.  No biggie.

In my opinion, ME3 nailed its combat mechanics & weapon mod systems down pretty good.  But in terms of story and character development & mission exposition & ending, it really didn't live up to its predecessors.  Now, certain missions were better than others, and a few were notably very well done (e.g. Tuchanka).  For the most part, however, ME3 in my mind wasn't the rollercoaster ride that I had hoped it would be...it's more like fries with too much or too little salt.

And I'm sure EA plans on making Bioware release a TON of DLCs to spruce up this very "barebones" edition of the game.  There will be better sidemissions & perhaps even additional squadmates.  Those will improve the game somewhat.  

Again, +1. 

[txgoldrush]

No...Mass Effect 3 rules...

its the FIRST game that is the most flawed game in the franchise....

ME1 had the worst combat, completely and totally unbalanced. Really ME1 was RUSHED out the door. The RPG elements sucked, from the stats to the inventory. Just because there are RPG elements doesn't mean they are great.

ME1's plot, while stronger than ME2, was less than stellar especially in the midgame. Feros and most of Noveria were filler, and the plot only got good at Virmire.

ME1 has the weakest characterization in the series due to the need to use them as talking codex entries instead of using them properly in the plot....the same flaws as Bioware games before it. ME2 and ME3 made older characters MUCH better and made them far more human. Example, TALI!!!!

ME1 has terrible planetary exploration and cut and paste environments....due to maybe Microsoft rushing their 360 exclusive at the time out the door for the holidays. Games long in production CAN be rushed.

ME1 ENTIRE side quest system is a HUGE PLOTHOLE!!! Why would Shepard take these side missions while CHASING Saren? Does Saren just give Shep time to catch up? Nevermind almost NONE of ME1's N7 missions have anything to do with the plot....unlike ME3's side missions.

Come off it.....ME1 is worse than ME3...ME2 thats debatable, won't judge until they fix the ending.

Bioware games aren't that polished anyway...was ME1 and ME2 polished? Hell no....Jade Empire? Nope....DAO? No NWN? No, and that has to be the worst Bioware story of all time.

The PROBLEM is Bioware fans keep thinking that they could do no wrong in the old days, but now they can do no right. WRONG....they had MANY flaws in the past, even the BG series and KOTOR...and many storytelling aspects in their newer games, like characterization, are FAR better now than before. Nevermind they recycle their formula over and over in the past.

But RPG elitists and old school Bioware games will keep making excuses for the old games flaws while bashing flaws in the new games.

[dreman9999]

Kevlar xD wrote...

How's the face import working for you?

Fine sinCe I can just go back into ME2, rebuild the face in a new import, right down the code and type it in to ME3.

[dreman9999]

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

But it has more passion then ME2.

[txgoldrush]

dreman9999 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

But it has more passion then ME2.

Yep....

...notice how the crew talks to eachother far more in ME3, while in the first two games, they left each other alone.

That alone shows more passion in ME3.

[FemmeShep]

I actually do think ME3 is very flawed.

I'm not going to go into it too much, as I've said this way too many times. But after playing the game a 2nd time, I've realized that ME3 has a lot of issues besides the ending. When I first played the game I was like: 99% of the game was perfect, and only the ending was awful. In reality, there was a lot wrong with the game, and the ending was just a symptom of the bigger problems with this game.

In short, it's an on the rails action game that cuts complexity and depth from the world/choices of the game.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 05 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[Desteron]

ME3 is an amazing game which got screwed over by the last ten minutes. Only thing I complain about besides ending is Tali's picture being a stock image, the quest log, and the war asset decay. Other then that, top notch.

[humansrsuperior]

txgoldrush wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

But it has more passion then ME2.

Yep....

...notice how the crew talks to eachother far more in ME3, while in the first two games, they left each other alone.

That alone shows more passion in ME3.

Yeah, and in turn they hardly talk to YOU at all.  

[dreman9999]

2484Stryker wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

I wouldn't say that it sucked, but it was certainly disappointing. It's not the bugs that I'm referring to, it's the overall lack of refinement & passion that ME2 had.

And that is not true. All the wonderful elements of ME1 and ME2 storywise are there.
It had everything of its predecessors and sometimes even more. Only the last minutes destroyed it all.
You make phantastic choices in grandious subplots and atmospheres, that don't matter ihe slightest bit in the end.

It really is only the ending, that makes ME2 not stand up to ME1 and ME2

Then you and I have a difference of opinion on this matter.  No biggie.

In my opinion, ME3 nailed its combat mechanics & weapon mod systems down pretty good.  But in terms of story and character development & mission exposition & .....

I stoped reading there...Yes it's better in term in character development. The fact you can see your crew on the normandy interact with one another show that it has better character development then ME2. The fact that the choices you have to make truely gets you to question your judgement clearly make ME3 story betterthen ME2's. ME3 has a much deeper impact then the last 2 games....ME2 just have more places to go and more character. ME3, based on character development, have more quality then what ME2 had...

[kidbd15]

Mass Effect 3 was a great game... could have been MUCH better, but that's based on how big lore and the story tie-in to the previous two games are for you.

If you just take each game individually, yea, ME3 is great. Taking everything collectively, wanting answers to questions that were established in ME2, and never getting them resolved, plus a few other things, makes ME3 a bit of a let-down, but NOTHING compared to the let-down the ending was.

But yes, ME3 was still a great game, despite its faults.

[BurnOutBrighter]

You have to bear in mind how important the ending of a story is to the whole experience. It's literally the last thing we'll remember about our experience, and can retroactively taint the entire experience, no matter how good the journey was.

The fact that I don't want to play through the ME series ever again just goes to show how the ending ruined the entire experience for me.

[txgoldrush]

FemmeShep wrote...

I actually do think ME3 is very flawed.

I'm not going to go into it too much, as I've said this way too many times. But after playing the game a 2nd time, I've realized that ME3 has a lot of issues besides the ending. When I first played the game I was like: 99% of the game was perfect, and only the ending was awful. In reality, there was a lot wrong with the game, and the ending was just a symptom of the bigger problems with this game.

In short, it's an on the rails action game that cuts complexity and depth from the world/choices of the game.

and the first two games didn't....

Hell, the FACT is that choice and consquence is STRONGER in ME3 than not only the first two games, but every game BW has made since Baldur's Gate II. Forget about the ending here...the journey is based on YOUR choices. Your choices throughout the series determine who lives and dies.

Nevermind the fact that ME3 is deeper and more complex than ME2 in gameplay.

All three games have big flaws....and so does almost every BW game and RPG.

[FemmeShep]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

You have to bear in mind how important the ending of a story is to the whole experience. It's literally the last thing we'll remember about our experience, and can retroactively taint the entire experience, no matter how good the journey was.

The fact that I don't want to play through the ME series ever again just goes to show how the ending ruined the entire experience for me.

That and, most bad endings are just bad endings that end the plot poorly. This ending was more than that. It not only ended the plot poorly, it redefined the plot for the past 2 games. Literally, the entire Reaper conflict and their motivation is changed/revealed in the last 15 min of the game.

That changes the entire first two games, and what you are fighting.

Modifié par FemmeShep, 05 avril 2012 - 06:14 .