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[Badpie]

Alistair's mother.

I'm gathering bits and pieces from other threads and haven't read The Calling yet so I had a couple questions.

Is his mother Fiona or Rowan?

Is Fiona an elf?

Is Fiona affected by the taint?

If so, how?

If so, what does that mean for Alistair?

Just a quick sum up would be great so I don't make this face while reading some posts around here:

[tigrina]

Badpie wrote...
Alistair's mother.

I'm gathering bits and pieces from other threads and haven't read The Calling yet so I had a couple questions.
[snip]

Just a quick sum up would be great so I don't make this face while reading some posts around here:

I am throwing in some educated guessing here:

I think Fiona is his mother (or at least Maric has a son with her, that I know for sure)
Fiona is a Grey Warden elven mage and lost her taint somehow, so Alistair would have been without taint too. Duncan knows he is her son.

Modifié par tigrina, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:29 .

[Badpie]

Ah. Thank you.

[Herr Uhl]

tigrina wrote...

Fiona is a Grey Warden elven mage and lost her taint somehow, so Alistair would have been without taint too. Duncan knows he is her son.

Where does Duncan say this? Duncan knows that he is Marics son though.

[tigrina]

Herr Uhl wrote...

tigrina wrote...

Fiona is a Grey Warden elven mage and lost her taint somehow, so Alistair would have been without taint too. Duncan knows he is her son.

Where does Duncan say this? Duncan knows that he is Marics son though.

In The Calling (the book). I'm only answering small bits because it is asked and I do not wish to spoil the book all over. Unless people really want to know how it is in the book? Read the book!

Modifié par tigrina, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:35 .

[Herr Uhl]

So, why is there even speculation about it? Remember a thread a while back with lots of that and there was no definite answer.



Meh, I'm just bored anyways.

[izmirtheastarach]

There is nothing in the book about Fiona losing the taint. And there is nothing in the mythology that says children born to a Gray Warden would have any problems. The child of an elf and a human is born human.

I would say according to David Gaider, Alistair is the child of Maric and Fiona. Otherwise, what is the point of including that last segment of the book?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:40 .

[Badpie]

Okay wait. So was Fiona also the serving girl in the castle? Or was that some other woman?



Then is Goldanna really Alistair's sister? Oi.

[taxtell]

tigrina wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

tigrina wrote...

Fiona is a Grey Warden elven mage and lost her taint somehow, so Alistair would have been without taint too. Duncan knows he is her son.

Where does Duncan say this? Duncan knows that he is Marics son though.

In The Calling (the book). I'm only answering small bits because it is asked and I do not wish to spoil the book all over. Unless people really want to know how it is in the book? Read the book!

Does the book actually clarify who Alistair's mother is? 

[Badpie]

What I'm gathering is that there is some question as to who his real mother is. I just needed to ask because there's all these names floating around in a nebulous cloud above my head taht I can't seem to make sense of since I haven't read The Calling yet. Makes me curious.

[tigrina]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

There is nothing in the book about Fiona losing the taint. And there is nothing in the mythology that says children born to a Gray Warden would have any problems. The child of an elf and a human is born human.

Meh, read the epilogue again. I don't want to spell it out here because of more spoilers, but you can read it on page 440 that Fiona *did* lose her taint. As first Warden in history.

[Wrathra]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

There is nothing in the book about Fiona losing the taint. And there is nothing in the mythology that says children born to a Gray Warden would have any problems. The child of an elf and a human is born human.

I would say according to David Gaider, Alistair is the child of Maric and Fiona. Otherwise, what is the point of including that last segment of the book?

At the end of the book, FIona says that she will never have to suffer the Calling again.  I forget the exact quote since I'm at work and don't have it with me.

Edited out a spoiler.

Modifié par Wrathra, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:55 .

[tigrina]

Badpie wrote...
What I'm gathering is that there is some question as to who his real mother is. I just needed to ask because there's all these names floating around in a nebulous cloud above my head taht I can't seem to make sense of since I haven't read The Calling yet. Makes me curious.

I'm not a betting type of girl, but all my money is on Fiona.

[Herr Uhl]

I'm betting that it was servant girl number 6 in prince bulges travels through the land.

[izmirtheastarach]

tigrina wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

There is nothing in the book about Fiona losing the taint. And there is nothing in the mythology that says children born to a Gray Warden would have any problems. The child of an elf and a human is born human.

Meh, read the epilogue again. I don't want to spell it out here because of more spoilers, but you can read it on page 440 that Fiona *did* lose her taint. As first Warden in history.

I guess we disagree on the interpretation of that part of the book. Fiona says she will never have to undergo the Calling. So the progress of the taint has been stopped. But if the taint was gone entirely, how would she even be a Grey Warden?

Either way, this doesn't actually have anything to do with the question at hand. My poist is, why would David Gaider include that child's conception in the book if it was not Alistair?

[tigrina]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
I guess we disagree on the interpretation of that part of the book. Fiona says she will never have to undergo the Calling. So the progress of the taint has been stopped. But if the taint was gone entirely, how would she even be a Grey Warden?

She is now a research object for Weisshaupt. Poor girl. But my interpretation of 'all the corruption vanished' was indeed that every bit was gone. If we can believe Avernus' research however, then the taint is more than only corruption, is that what you mean? It is an eye opener for me at least, thanks for that!

Either way, this doesn't actually have anything to do with the question at hand. My poist is, why would David Gaider include that child's conception in the book if it was not Alistair?

Personally I think the only reason no name of the child was given in the book is because it would have spoiled too much before the game was out. In short, I agree.

[Mesecina]

Badpie wrote...

Alistair's mother.

I'm gathering bits and pieces from other threads and haven't read The Calling yet so I had a couple questions.

Is his mother Fiona or Rowan?

Is Fiona an elf?

Is Fiona affected by the taint?

If so, how?

If so, what does that mean for Alistair?

Just a quick sum up would be great so I don't make this face while reading some posts around here:

Holly molly you're waking up a sleeping tiger again *hides in expectation of 14 pages of thunder and flame"
Well in all those threads all that can be answered for sure is

Is Fiona an elf? yep Fiona is an elven mage

Is Fiona affected by the taint? If so, how? Yes she's a Gray Warden but is strangely immune to the taint

Is his mother Fiona or Rowan? Rowan definitely not, Fiona - we don't know.
The only thing we do know is Fiona had a child with Maric but that one was born after Rowan died and Duncan was supposed to keep an eye on him.
The only thing that goes against the theory is the age gap since Loghain (who's not exactly what you'd call 100% reliable source of info) say they were keeping Alistair hidden because of Rowan (as much as you can hide a child with your wive's brothers) oh Ok and also why they'd bother setting up a fake dead mother for Alistair (although Maric did have to promise Fiona he'd never reveal her true identity or race  to their son)

And the Evil Mastermind behind it all aka David Gaider won't tell

Modifié par Mesecina, 03 décembre 2009 - 05:10 .

[izmirtheastarach]

So I suppose the only question is whether Gaider is enough of a mastermind to have planted the seeds for a third son of Maric to be revealed in a later game, or whether there was just some confusion in matching up the books and the game. Considering the confusion with Eamon and Teagen and Loghain's ages, I think the latter might be closer to the truth.

[Maria Caliban]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
I would say according to David Gaider, Alistair is the child of Maric and Fiona. Otherwise, what is the point of including that last segment of the book?

David has said that Fiona may or may not be Alistiar's mother. Even though he's been asked on several occations, he's said that it's up to fans to speculate.

Personally, I don't think Fiona is Alistiar's mother. For one thing, Loghian says that Alistiar was born while Rowan was still alive, while the events of the Calling happened after her death.

[Galad22]

izmirtheastarach wrote...
The child of an elf and a human is born human.

Why the hell?

Is being elf or human some sort of genetic trait in this world, and human is the dominant one like brown eyes in our world.

If so that is incredible lame.

[Herr Uhl]

Galad22 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
The child of an elf and a human is born human.

Why the hell?

Is being elf or human some sort of genetic trait in this world, and human is the dominant one like brown eyes in our world.

If so that is incredible lame.

Yes, I believe a child of dwarf/human is human as well. Dunno about elf/dwarf though.

[Taleroth]

Galad22 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
The child of an elf and a human is born human.

Why the hell?

Is being elf or human some sort of genetic trait in this world, and human is the dominant one like brown eyes in our world.

If so that is incredible lame.

Not nearly as lame as Half-Elves being able to breed normally in other settings.  As if you can pair a Tigon and a Liger with no problem.

[syllogi]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I guess we disagree on the interpretation of that part of the book. Fiona says she will never have to undergo the Calling. So the progress of the taint has been stopped. But if the taint was gone entirely, how would she even be a Grey Warden?

Either way, this doesn't actually have anything to do with the question at hand. My poist is, why would David Gaider include that child's conception in the book if it was not Alistair?

Fiona says that the taint has vanished, and she will never undergo the Calling again.  That seems pretty clear.  She may not technically be a Grey Warden anymore, but she's still a part of the organization, and they wanted to send her back to Weisshaupt for observation, which is reasonable.  She also may now be immune to the taint, which would be interesting for the Grey Wardens too.

Obviously, Fiona's child was included to stir speculation about Alistair's parentage.  I do hope that it does one day get cleared up, and isn't in fact a red herring.

[izmirtheastarach]

Maria Caliban wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
I would say according to David Gaider, Alistair is the child of Maric and Fiona. Otherwise, what is the point of including that last segment of the book?

David has said that Fiona may or may not be Alistiar's mother. Even though he's been asked on several occations, he's said that it's up to fans to speculate.

Personally, I don't think Fiona is Alistiar's mother. For one thing, Loghian says that Alistiar was born while Rowan was still alive, while the events of the Calling happened after her death.

Can you point to a quote from Gaider on that? I find that very interesting. The certainly makes it sound like the inconsistancy is deliberate. If that's the case, I would tend to agree with you. Seems likely he left it unsaid so he could develop it later. If it was Alistair, why not reveal that in the game.

[tigrina]

Galad22 wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...
The child of an elf and a human is born human.

Why the hell?

Is being elf or human some sort of genetic trait in this world, and human is the dominant one like brown eyes in our world.

If so that is incredible lame.

I totally fail to see how this bit of game lore is lame, but you can find a bit about it here: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Elves