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[Rhinna]

Background: human noble female, chose to rule with Alastair.

The epilogue began ok - Alastair and my PC married in lavish ceremony, blahblah...public adored new queen, blah blah...loved it..

Then the ending began to get more ambiguous - Alastair remained in Denerim, much to Queen Anora's distress (um...she's not queen anymore) then he left for Weishaup (sp) swearing to return soon to his love's side...umm...hellooo...I'm the queen here...not some mistress...shouldn't it be wife's side? and why didn't my pc go with him if they were so inseperable?  What happened with Anora anyway? she never swore fealty to Alastair, he had her locked in the tower - who CARES what she thinks?  I would have liked to have seen that loose end tied up, i.e. a dialogue with Anora, Alastair. Eamon, and your PC after the battle to decide what to do with her.  If she doesn't swear loyalty, she's a threat. /shrugs  And did Alastair ever come back from Weishaup? He DOES have a country to run ya know!

Dunnoo...was such a perfect game til the ending, that really wasn't all that clear.  I would have liked to have seen what happened with my PC's "companions" who "all went their separate ways" - meh.  Why so much on Orzammar (oooh...unless it's going to be in DA-O part two!)

So much detail, yet the ending dialogues seem like an afterthought   Still...BEST.game.ever.  Going to do round 2 with my Dalish mage romancing Zevran LOL

Modifié par Rhinna, 03 décembre 2009 - 04:29 .

[ExistsAlready]

Queen Anora never agreed to sign over her right, and the rights of her children, to the throne. The Human Noble becomes the Princess-Consort because Fereldan still technically has a queen.



And, you know, the King can't exactly up and leave with his queen/princess/whatever and put a reagent on the throne because he's in love and doesn't want his wife to be lonely while he's attending important Grey Warden business.

[Rhinna]

True, but for most of the storyline, who wore the pants in THAT relationship?



And I guess you're right - Alastair could not have let the kingdom go without someone he trusted - but there *was* Arl Eamon, his advisor...



thanks for the lesson on lineage!

[tigrina]

Anora isn't acting queen anymore and should have been thrown in the dungeon for that specific ending. Clearly just another epilogue bug, one I dearly hope gets fixed in next patch.



You only get the companion epilogue texts when you are alive if you talk with them at the ceremony after killing the arch demon.

[Asante81]

I had this ending when making Anora queen and deciding to stay in Ferelden with Alistair. As I chose to travel around with him he stayed with me. I guess it's a bug. It's not logical to grant Anora that kind of power when she's the locked up former queen.

[Kohaku]

Like others have said, I believe it's bugs with the Epilogue endings. Others were confused about this as well.

[Badpie]

Thankfully on my first playthrough I didn't get any bugs in the epilogue. HOPING I won't this time. That's such a let down. Here you are at the end of like80 hours of your life having accomplished this ending and all you want to do is see what happens next, then it's like "SOMETHING WRONG WRITTEN HERE." I might cry.



I also locked Anora in the tower on this playthrough....that betch better stay put.

[TheRealIncarnal]

Yeah, Conner came back to life in my ending.



Eamon said "I'm concerned about the boy, he's been acting strangely" and all I could think is "Yeah, I bet he is considering that Isolde killed him...." It was very odd.

[wcholcombe]

she isn't the former queen.



She is still queen, locked up or not. You are only a princess.

[Mesecina]

Rhinna wrote...

Then the ending began to get more ambiguous - Alastair remained in Denerim, much to Queen Anora's distress (um...she's not queen anymore) then he left for Weishaup (sp) swearing to return soon to his love's

Yep that slideshow is terribly bugged I had exactly the same ending happening to me in exactly the same conditions you described, while this is supposed to be hardened Alistair that married ANora with PC staying as concubine ending.
The correct one should mention something about Alistair never leaving his beloved Queen's (PC) side apart from when he was arranging stuff for Duncan's funeral.

And I believe that eventhough Anora is alive PC can still become queen since Alistair is king and the whole Landsmeet was about who has a higher claim for the throne. In my opinion Anora refusing to give up the rights to the throne doesn't mean she still is the queen it just means that if she hadn't been locked away she'd still have some claim to the throne (for example if Alistair died without an heir or if planning to overthrow Alistair)

[Badpie]

You are not a princess, just a noble. You become queen, though I suppose not until you marry Alistair. But Anora isn't queen either anymore.

[Rhinna]

@tigrina - ahh good to know - I'll have to chat with my companions after the battle - I talked to them all before the battle GAH...do I dare go back and replay LOL Hopefully the save is after the archdemon is dead.



I never got the feeling that Anora was a biyatch - she was always forthright with my PC - but I sort of lied to her, pledge my support pre Landsmeet, and then when my Alastair decided *he* wanted to become King...well...that pledge of loyalty to the queen went out the window LOL

[Felene]

ExistsAlready wrote...

Queen Anora never agreed to sign over her right, and the rights of her children, to the throne. The female Human Noble becomes the Princess-Consort because Fereldan still technically has a queen.

Fixed.

What most fangirl misunderstood is just because Anora is locked up in a tower doesn't mean she is no longer a Queen.

After King Cailan's death, she is suppose to be queen regnant due to lack of heir, but this is never directly proven true nor false in the game.

But, prior to the Landsmeet, she already has the support of the Bannorns. Also, in her codex, she has been the one in power ever since her marrige to King Cailan.

And, a civil war almost break out because Loghain announce himself as regent of the queen. Note: If Anora
was not queen regnant, Loghain doesn't need to announce himself as regent of the queen, simply regent will do.

Another proof will be in her codex, if you choose Alistair as king in the Landsmeet, codex shows she was deposed, in another word, remove from the throne. So, she was in the throne before the Landsmeet.

Therefore, I will say she was queen regnant after King Cailan's death.

And thus, female human noble who married Alistair was given the title of Princess-Consort of the king.

ExistsAlready wrote...

And, you know, the King can't exactly up and leave with his queen/princess/whatever and put a reagent on the throne because he's in love and doesn't want his wife to be lonely while he's attending important Grey Warden business.

I disagree.

PC is still a Grey Warden.

Important Grey Warden business is still PC's business.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 06:45 .

[Kohaku]

Felene wrote...

ExistsAlready wrote...

And, you know, the King can't exactly up and leave with his queen/princess/whatever and put a reagent on the throne because he's in love and doesn't want his wife to be lonely while he's attending important Grey Warden business.

I disagree.

PC is still a Grey Warden.

Important Grey Warden business is still her business.

I thought this too. No matter what Alistair does I should still be going with him because I'm a Gray Warden. Throw that love nonsense to the wind when it comes to my character's position in the Gray Wardens.

[Asante81]

And what I don't understand is, why they leave the matter of Anora being locked up in a tower completely uncommented in the epilogue. This was just a quick inbetween solution because Alistair had more pressing matters to take care of. (And, let's face it, it's the gameterm version of "if you kill Alistair with letting him sacrifice himself, Ferelden needs a ruler, let's get back to Anora.) I still highly doubt Alistair (or Eamon) would allow Anora to sit in her tower, still being queen and a threat to Alistair's rule. Female PC being "queen" or not. Does anyone else see the potential of rebellions in this? Everyone with some brain would "de-queen" her, in whatever way...

Modifié par Asante81, 03 décembre 2009 - 05:45 .

[Badpie]

Alistair introduces you as the future Queen. And once Anora relinquishes her claim to the thrown she is no longer Queen. You are not a princess/consort. You are queen.

[Relshar]

Anora should of been executed in the Epilouge in this case. She refuses to give up her right to rule and so should face execution to protect the now true king and queen of Ferledan.

[DaLabbes]

Felene wrote...

Fixed.

What most fangirl misunderstood is just because Anora is locked up in a tower doesn't mean she is no longer a Queen.

Queen is a title given to her by her marrige to King Cailan.

She is not in power to rule Ferelden, but she still holds her title as Queen.

So technically there can't be two queen in the same country.

And thus, female human noble who married Alistair was given the title of Princess-Consort of the king.

Going by medieval standards, this is wrong. The title "Queen" is not a stable one. Essentially, as soon as the princess is adult, she needs to (already) be married. If the husband of a queen dies, and worse even, she has no blood-claim on the throne, she might as well lose her title.
Medieval laws do not work like math; There are never two queens, or a queen and a rivalling king, but that's because one of the two has less claim on the throne and/or dies. In worst case there is civil war, but Anora is in jail and has become queen through marriage, she's not of noble birth - her claim is gone. She's not queen anymore.

[Marcus Aurelius]

I've talked to all my companions in my 3rd playthrough with my dwarf noble and the only one that showed up was about lelianna and that was because I said I'd travel with her becasue of the romance, but it made no mention of the others, however in my prior two playthroughs i said i'd tag along with each and every companion on their travels, and only then would the companion endings in the slideshow play. They really need to debug the epilogue!!

[Asante81]

Agreeing on DaLabbes

And... Anora was not the queen regnant anyway, but only a queen consort. (http://en.wikipedia....i/Queen_consort). They tried to make her queen regnant at the landsmeet, which, in our cases, failed. So all she is in her tower is a potential queen regnant... (Still a threat and I vote for solving that matter in the epilogue!)

[Felene]

Badpie wrote...

Alistair introduces you as the future Queen. And once Anora relinquishes her claim to the thrown she is no longer Queen. You are not a princess/consort. You are queen.

Yup, future queen, not current.

Just like she said, she will never relinquish her right to the throne and her childrens'.

So unless she is kill or her title is somehow strip from her, she is still Queen of Ferelden.

Maybe PC should hire Zevran or persuade Alistair to do the deed...

DaLabbes wrote...

Going
by medieval standards, this is wrong. The title "Queen" is not a stable
one. Essentially, as soon as the princess is adult, she needs to
(already) be married. If the husband of a queen dies, and worse even,
she has no blood-claim on the throne, she might as well lose her title.
Medieval
laws do not work like math; There are never two queens, or a queen and
a rivalling king, but that's because one of the two has less claim on
the throne and/or dies. In worst case there is civil war, but Anora is
in jail and has become queen through marriage, she's not of noble birth
- her claim is gone. She's not queen anymore.

Unless Bioware writers write a book about Ferelden lineage laws you never know how lineage works in Ferelden.

Still, as long as nobody insisting on strip Anora of her title, I guess she can still keep it.

What a lucky **** she is.

[Felene]

Asante81 wrote...

Agreeing on DaLabbes
And... Anora was not the queen regnant anyway, but only a queen consort. (http://en.wikipedia....i/Queen_consort). They tried to make her queen regnant at the landsmeet, which, in our cases, failed. So all she is in her tower is a potential queen regnant... (Still a threat and I vote for solving that matter in the epilogue!)

Wait, I thought she is already a regnant when her father return from Ostagar bring news that King Cailan is dead and there is no other heir to the throne.

[Badpie]

I suppose she will have to be stripped of her title when the PC marries Alistair. That's just the way the cookie crumbles whether she likes it or not. As far as swearing fealty to the new king and queen, she may or may not. If that's the case there may be cause to execute her, but obviously Alistair didn't want to go that route. Perhaps exile then? He did say "maybe there's someplace we can....send her or something."

At this point, Anora may really just realize this is a losing battle and finally submit to the new rule, in which case they'd probably hook her up with some kind of status and estate somewhere or something.

Modifié par Badpie, 03 décembre 2009 - 06:52 .

[Asante81]

Well, if you read the codex info about politics in Ferelden and the Bannorn, then you would know that they have a lot more influence than it seems. There's no king or queen without the landsmeet to agree on ("No person has ever sat upon the throne of Ferelden without first winning the approval of the Bannorn" Codex entry # 106, Cuulture and History, Bannorn). Means, it was an inbetween solution that needed to be confirmed by the landsmeet. They only thought that she would be the only valid person to claim the throne so didn't really bother about the landsmeet.

[Felene]

I will say she already has the support of the Bannorn, not to mention during the Landsmeet if you go to Gnawed Noble Tavern, you can tell Anora has most Bannorn's support and that is why having her speak out against Loghain is so important.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 03:59 .