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[Tamyn]

That slide about Anora being uncomfortable and Alistair eventually going to Weisshaupt should have happened if your PC (romancing Alistair) chose to stay in Denerim with Anora being the queen. Anora is uncomfortable because Alistair reminds her of Cailan too much.

Marrying Alistair I've only ever gotten the slide about being his princess consort with no mention of what happens to Anora at all.

I wish that the slides detailed what happened to each companion every time. It just says they went their separate ways unless I had my PC sacrifice herself.

Modifié par Tamyn, 05 décembre 2009 - 02:52 .

[TanithAeyrs]

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Also, Alistair was probably as Weis for such a long time because he he just shrugged and looked stupid like he said he was going to.

*shrug*  "I have no idea what you're talking about.  I have absolutely NO CLUE how we survived that arch demon killing blow.  I don't even know where babies come from......Did I say baby?  I didn't say baby.  There's nothing at all in my brain or life or any reality that should ever suggest that I would say baby.  Let alone demon baby....I mean!  *smacks forehead*  I...I...*nervous giggle*  I most certainly did NOT impregnate a maleficar with the soul of an old god that could either be nothing or destroy us all.  Nope.  Not me....um...*shrug*....Is there cheese here?"

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LOL, you have Alistair to down perfectly.

sorry, having a hard time getting the quote box to work right

Modifié par TanithAeyrs, 05 décembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[Felene]

[Sigh] Allow me to organized my point.

Anora's original title is queen, consort of the king, everyone agrees, right? If you don't, stop reading right here.

After King Cailan's death, she is suppose to be queen regnant due to lack of heir, but this is never directly proven true nor false in the game.

Asante81's point is she can only be officially name queen regnant after the Landsmeet.

And that is correct.

But, prior to the Landsmeet, she already has the support of the Bannorns. Also, in her codex, she has been the one in power ever since her marrige to King Cailan.

And, a civil war almost break out because Loghain announce himself as regent of the queen. Note: If Anora was not queen regnant, Loghain doesn't need to announce himself as regent of the queen, simply regent will do.

Another proof will be in her codex, if you choose Alistair as king in the Landsmeet, codex shows she was deposed, in another word, remove from the throne. So, she was in the throne before the Landsmeet.

Therefore, I will say she was queen regnant after King Cailan's death. Stop reading right here if you disagree.

Now, does deposed means she is strip of her title and rights to the throne?

Answer is no.

She didn't relinquish her rights in the Landsmeet. Both Alistair and the Landsmeet didn't force on the subject. All it does was lock her up in a tower.

And that is why if Alistair die in the final battle she is made Queen of Ferelden.

So, unless she is kill or her title is somehow strip from her, she is still Queen of Ferelden.

Thus, in the epilogue, PC's official title is princess, consort of the king.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 06:46 .

[vocalemuse]

I think you just want to argue about it, honestly. She's not still the queen at the end if you marry Alistair, the epilogue text is a bug: it has been stated several times on other threads. I'm also not a fangirl or raging, I just think you have a problem with being wrong in this case when it IS a glitch/bug. Now let's move on, shall we?

Modifié par vocalemuse, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:26 .

[Felene]

vocalemuse wrote...

I think you just want to argue about it, honestly. She's not still the queen at the end if you marry Alistair, the epilogue text is a bug: it has been stated several times on other threads. I'm also not a fangirl or raging, I just think you have a problem with being wrong in this case when it IS a glitch/bug. So, let's move on.

You are absolutely right.

Since it is clear that Anora simply cannot be queen and it has nothing to do with politics and lineage.
So let's move on right now and hope for a official patch to fix this glitch/bug in the distant future.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:29 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I think it should be looked at as the equivalent of former presidents still being called "President/former President x" myself. They're no longer president, but they're still referred to by their former title.



Just try to look at it that way & rejoice: you're the current queen (if things go well). I was happy enough, even given a slightly buggy epilogue on my female human noble rogue. *shrug* I'm on my second female elf mage now atm anyway, so she'll be happy with Alistair until he gets hauled off to Weisshaupt (again!).

[BroBear Berbil]

Felene wrote...

ExistsAlready wrote...

Queen Anora never agreed to sign over her right, and the rights of her children, to the throne. The female Human Noble becomes the Princess-Consort because Fereldan still technically has a queen.

Fixed.

What most fangirl misunderstood is just because Anora is locked up in a tower doesn't mean she is no longer a Queen.

Queen is a title given to her by her marrige to King Cailan.

She is not in power to rule Ferelden, but she still holds her title as Queen.

So technically there can't be two queen in the same country.

And thus, female human noble who married Alistair was given the title of Princess-Consort of the king.

ExistsAlready wrote...

And, you know, the King can't exactly up and leave with his queen/princess/whatever and put a reagent on the throne because he's in love and doesn't want his wife to be lonely while he's attending important Grey Warden business.

I disagree.

PC is still a Grey Warden.

Important Grey Warden business is still PC's business.

Not quite true. Even if Anora did not give up her title she is still not the Queen. She would be the Queen Dowager since the title was inherited from her deceased husband and in this case she is not married to the current king. Alistair's bride would, in fact, be Queen.

Modifié par OnionXI, 05 décembre 2009 - 04:55 .

[Felene]

OnionXI wrote...

Not quite true. Even if Anora did not give up her title she is still not the Queen. She would be the Queen Dowager since the title was inherited from her deceased husband and in this case she is not married to the current king. Alistair's bride would, in fact, be Queen.

I fail to see your point.

Yes, she is not Alistair's wife.

She is Queen of Ferelden not Alistair's queen.

Her title does not strip from her simply because she is not King Alistair's wife.../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png

A consort of a king is not always queen, and a queen is not always consort of the king.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:18 .

[vocalemuse]

Actually, yes it would. Alistair's wife would earn the title. Anora is not royal by blood and she gets deposed, thus meaning she is no longer queen... as many others have said here already.

[Felene]

vocalemuse wrote...

Actually, yes it would. Alistair's wife would earn the title. Anora is not royal by blood and she gets deposed, thus meaning she is no longer queen... as many others have said here already.

Yet again, you are absolutely right.

When my PC married King Alistair she should be Queen of Ferelden right then and there regardless of... well, anything!

Who cares about them anyway.

But, I thought we already move on this and hope for a official patch to fix this glitch/bug in the distant future.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:35 .

[BroBear Berbil]

My point is that Queen of Ferelden and Alistair's wife are one in the same. The title of Queen rightfully belongs to the spouse of the King's successor, not to the spouse of the former King. Even if she did not renounce her titles or they were not revoked she would still only be the Queen Dowager and powerless.

On another note, she is the Teyrna of Gwaren. She could go off and live in her Teynir in the middle of nowhere where she belongs. <_<

Modifié par OnionXI, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:25 .

[Felene]

OnionXI wrote...
My point is that Queen of Ferelden and Alistair's wife are one in the same. The title of Queen rightfully belongs to the spouse of the King's successor, not to the spouse of the former King. Even if she did not renounce her titles or they were not revoked she would still only be the Queen Dowager and powerless.

Queen of Ferelden and Alistair's wife are not the same.

Yes, the title of Queen rightfully belongs to the spouse of the King.

But my point is she was made queen regnant prior to the Landsmeet, not queen dowager.

OnionXI wrote...
On another note, she is the Teyrna of Gwaren. She could go off and live in her Teynir in the middle of nowhere where she belongs. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

No someone should hire Zevran to kill her or persuade Alistair to execute her.

Modifié par Felene, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:42 .

[asaiasai]

I agree that is about the only thing about the game i have a problem with. Depending on the choices you made the ending should have reflected those choices more. On play through number 6 now i just do not pay attention anymore at the end because some of it has little relevance to the decisions i made during the game, Bioware should tighten the endings up a bit in a patch or something,because all in all the game was great but the endings bug were a bit of a let down.



Asai

[vocalemuse]

Haha, now you are assuming. I never said the character becomes queen right away, once they are married the noble NPC becomes queen - that is the fact I am debating. Anora does not stay queen forever if you marry Alistair which is what I'm gathering from your opinion (correct me if I'm wrong though), thus the part about him announcing you as Ferelden's future queen at the end of the game.

Modifié par vocalemuse, 05 décembre 2009 - 05:45 .

[Felene]

vocalemuse wrote...

Haha, now you're assuming. I never said the character becomes queen right away, once they are married the noble NPC becomes queen - that is the fact I am debating. Anora does not stay queen forever if you marry Alistair which is what I'm gathering from your opinion (correct me if I'm wrong though), thus the part about him announcing you as Ferelden's future queen at the end of the game.

Yes, if something happen to Queen Anora, let's say... fall down the tower and die for instance, the female noble PC who married King Alistair her official title will be change to Queen, consort of the King instead of Princess, consort of the king.

[cglasgow]

The term 'queen' has two meanings.



One of them is queen in her own right, the sovereign. Like Queen Elizabeth. You get this by being the acknowledged ruler of the land.



The other meaning is that you're the wife of the king.



As of the end of the game, in the King-Alistair-no-royal-wedding ending, Anora qualifies as neither. The Banns have acknowledged Alistair as their king and sovereign, so Anora is no longer queen in her own right. And since she's not married to the current king of Ferelden, she's no longer queen-by-marriage either.



Which renders her an ex-queen. The term is 'dowager', I believe.

[KirsiJF]

I got the same bugged? slideshow as well. My human noble became the Queen, it clearly stated that at the beginning of the slideshow. But then the rest of the slides seemed to base on the condition that Alistair was married to Anora. I was disappointed, needless to say.

Does anyone know in detail what the real slideshow should say when the human noble PC marries Aistair and becomes Queen?

And to the issue of Anora. Of course she's no longer a ruling Queen when Alistair is made king and marries another woman. That was the point of the Landsmeet - to decide who rules Ferelden. Maybe she gets to keep her title - probably not though. But the Queen of Ferelden will naturally be the Kings wife. It's not for Anora to decide - she's thrown into a tower as a prisoner after she's lost her struggle for power.

My first playthrough didn't have any bugs during the slideshow, though. But then I was romancing Zevran and Alistair ruled alone.

Modifié par KirsiJF, 05 décembre 2009 - 09:27 .