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[dawtree]

To say that only 66k people support changing the ending is simply ignorant. There's a rule called the "90/9/1" rule that says 90% of people silently consume, 9% contribute conversation, and 1% create.

[Big I]

The OPs logic is like this - over two million people bought ME3.  Of those two million, sixty six thousand joined a facebook group called "We Like Pepsi." Therefore everyone else who bought ME3 must like Coke.

[Yorkston9152]

Yes, because every one who plays a video game comes to these forums and knows that they are not alone in either hating/liking the ending. I'm sure about 70% of those people in that chart dont even know they could even possibly have a voice about the ending

[Beta-Breech]

@ Dawtree:  You could also apply the Pareto principle other wise knows the 80-20 rule to the way things are playing out. 80% of your future profite comes from 20% of your consumer base. The many that purchased this game won't of been as involved as your core 20% base that would of stuck with you from the start. The many that bought the game through your advertising probably won't invest more in the game in the way of DLC or buying future releases. This is not down to the ending this is down to the kind of market you're dealing with.  Bioware must know this.... 

Modifié par Beta-Breech, 05 avril 2012 - 01:14 .

[VirtualAlex]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

The OPs logic is like this - over two million people bought ME3.  Of those two million, sixty six thousand joined a facebook group called "We Like Pepsi." Therefore everyone else who bought ME3 must like Coke.

That isn't even close to what my logic is. But that is a cool try.

[cutegigi]

20x6 wrote...

Oh dear.

You do realize if your employer or future employer gets their hands on this... you're done, right?
I suggest you take it down and maybe redo it with a lot less hate.  You come across as someone who isn't stable enough to handle a group or management scenario....

No joke.  This can ruin your career and future careers.

dont worry...
OP has much bigger things to worry about. like math skill and such.

[PSUHammer]

VirtualAlex wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

So then what's the point of the thread? nobody said The Retake movement have a million people in it we just said that they have enough fans to make themselves heard.

The point of the thread is, just because it seems like everyone hates the ending, it actually isn't the case. 

Isn't it fun to disagree with an angry mob?  

[MingWolf]

I didn't like the ending.  I'm also not a member of the Retake Movement, since I never quite felt the need to become associated to an activist movement on a video game and instead make my occasional protest by occasionally replying to a topic here and then.  Yeah, I may not be vocal enough, but then, I don't really care either way whether the ending is changed or not.  It would be great if it did. 

In a way, this puts me on the 97% end of the pie chart, and yet I don't even support the ending.  Thus, if we were to take the pie chart as a tool of anything statistically meaningful in estimating haters vs non-haters, I would be an outlier and also a flaw in the methodology itself because, despite being in the 97%, I also don't consider the Retake movement to be a bad thing, and the pie chart almost tries to make a point by comparing the population of sales vs. a group where membership is optional.  Only problem is, I'm quite certain that there is a huge chunk of people just like me, as I would speculate, which would make the pie-chart completely meaningless.  Even if your trying to make a point that haters isn't the majority, taking a total quantity of sales to prove this point also does not make any sense.

Modifié par MingWolf, 05 avril 2012 - 01:15 .

[VirtualAlex]

Yorkston9152 wrote...

Yes, because every one who plays a video game comes to these forums and knows that they are not alone in either hating/liking the ending. I'm sure about 70% of those people in that chart dont even know they could even possibly have a voice about the ending

You think 70% of people who purchased mass effect don't have internet?

[VirtualAlex]

MingWolf wrote...

I didn't like the ending.  I'm also not a member of the Retake Movement, since I never quite felt the need to become associated to an activist movement on a video game and instead make my occasional protest by occasionally replying to a topic here and then.  Yeah, I may not be vocal enough, but then, I don't really care either way whether the ending is changed or not.  It would be great if it did. 

In a way, this puts me on the 97% end of the pie chart, and yet I don't even support the ending.  Thus, if we were to take the pie chart as a tool of anything statistically meaningful in estimating haters vs non-haters, I would be an outlier and also a flaw in the methodology itself because, despite being in the 97%, I also don't consider the Retake movement to be a bad thing, and the pie chart almost tries to make a point by comparing the population of sales vs. a group where membership is optional.  Only problem is, I'm quite certain that there is a huge chunk of people just like me, as I would speculate, which would make the pie-chart completely meaningless. 

Piechart displays haters out of all consumers. Not haters vs lovers.

THE PIE IS ALL CONSUMERS

THE CHUNK IS A SUB SECTION OF THEM

Why does no one understand how a pie chart works?

[Beta-Breech]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Yorkston9152 wrote...

Yes, because every one who plays a video game comes to these forums and knows that they are not alone in either hating/liking the ending. I'm sure about 70% of those people in that chart dont even know they could even possibly have a voice about the ending

You think 70% of people who purchased mass effect don't have internet?

You think 70% of people who purchased ME3 want to come on a forum?  The majority of the world silently brood and say nothing because they are apathetic.   You can see this throughout history.     

[Bloody_Hypocrite]

The problem with this is the statement you made in the thread title is not proven by your pie chart.

[Holoe4]

some people don't have the internet/don't know about retake ME3/etc.

I shouldn't even explain...

[VirtualAlex]

Bloody_Hypocrite wrote...

The problem with this is the statement you made in the thread title is not proven by your pie chart.

Yeah actually that is true. I will fix.

[durasteel]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Read all about it! And see the cool pie chart!

Statistical Analysis: You're Doing It Wrong.

[Bloody_Hypocrite]

VirtualAlex wrote...
Piechart displays haters out of all consumers. Not haters vs lovers.

THE PIE IS ALL CONSUMERS

THE CHUNK IS A SUB SECTION OF THEM

Why does no one understand how a pie chart works?

The pie chart does not show this. It shows how many people out of total sales are a part of a single facebook group. It does not show that "ME3 ending haters NOT in the majority. Just very vocal."

EDIT: Yeah, a title change might be a good idea if that's not what you were trying to show in the chart.

Modifié par Bloody_Hypocrite, 05 avril 2012 - 01:23 .

[VirtualAlex]

Holoe4 wrote...

some people don't have the internet/don't know about retake ME3/etc.

I shouldn't even explain...

Don't have internet huh... Playing masseffect3. 

[iorveth1271]

VirtualAlex wrote...

MingWolf wrote...

I didn't like the ending.  I'm also not a member of the Retake Movement, since I never quite felt the need to become associated to an activist movement on a video game and instead make my occasional protest by occasionally replying to a topic here and then.  Yeah, I may not be vocal enough, but then, I don't really care either way whether the ending is changed or not.  It would be great if it did. 

In a way, this puts me on the 97% end of the pie chart, and yet I don't even support the ending.  Thus, if we were to take the pie chart as a tool of anything statistically meaningful in estimating haters vs non-haters, I would be an outlier and also a flaw in the methodology itself because, despite being in the 97%, I also don't consider the Retake movement to be a bad thing, and the pie chart almost tries to make a point by comparing the population of sales vs. a group where membership is optional.  Only problem is, I'm quite certain that there is a huge chunk of people just like me, as I would speculate, which would make the pie-chart completely meaningless. 

Piechart displays haters out of all consumers. Not haters vs lovers.

THE PIE IS ALL CONSUMERS

THE CHUNK IS A SUB SECTION OF THEM

Why does no one understand how a pie chart works?

You don't understand the pie chart, it seems. Or at least not what it says.

You compare the amount of people in a Twitter and Facebook group with the amount of people who bought the game. That said, everyone who isn't in the red chunk is according to the pie chart not an ending hater and is therefore either neutral or pro ending. Unfortunately, your pie chart uses only 3 sources. One source is a summary of all the sales worldwide, the other one is the users connected to internet groups not every part of these consumers is connected to. That is where your argument is flawed. It doesn't say whether we are a minority or not. It simply says that the people on Twitter and Facebook in these 2 specific groups are only a chunk of the total consumers. That unfortunately proves nothing on both a worldwide scale and on a voiced opinions-scale.

[Yorkston9152]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Yorkston9152 wrote...

Yes, because every one who plays a video game comes to these forums and knows that they are not alone in either hating/liking the ending. I'm sure about 70% of those people in that chart dont even know they could even possibly have a voice about the ending

You think 70% of people who purchased mass effect don't have internet?

How did "not knowing they could have an impact" or "knowing that they are not alone in their choice of if they like it or not" translate into "they dont have internet"

In my years of playing mass effect, ive known 3 people who have played it also and have a view of it and what they like/disliked about it. Of these 3 people, I've been the only one to come here or even know that a place like this existed, and even then I happened to come here only recently. The pie charts logic is like saying 80% of the world thinks mass effect over all sucks, even though only about 20% of the world knows about it....

A better chart would be "here is the % of people who vist all of BSN forums and who do like the endings, compared to those who belong to Retake"

Modifié par Yorkston9152, 05 avril 2012 - 01:24 .

[Clayless]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

The OPs logic is like this - over two million people bought ME3.  Of those two million, sixty six thousand joined a facebook group called "We Like Pepsi." Therefore everyone else who bought ME3 must like Coke.

No it's not.

Being a majority of the minority doesn't make you the majority.

[VirtualAlex]

iorveth1271 wrote...

You compare the amount of people in a Twitter and Facebook group with the amount of people who bought the game. That said, everyone who isn't in the red chunk is according to the pie chart not an ending hater and is therefore either neutral or pro ending.

False. People not in the red chunk are people who are not members of the "retake" mass effect movement.

[parrmi22]

I'd say the majority of people hate the endings, most of them are pissed for a day or so then move on. Only a minority of people are being vocal about it though. Let's face it: most casual gamers do not come to these boards and post on it. If the endings weren't so bad, I wouldn't be postng here.

[fearan1]

Op you flat out call everyone who dislikes the ending a moron well sadly insults are the realm of bullies and those afraid of real debate . That you liked the ending is great I will not insult you for it I thought it was horrible and a disservice to fans and Bioware itself . In life I have a career,wife, six figure income could I be a moron yes I could but I am likely not
Some of the people who dislike the ending are extreme most are not. You are the extreme on the other end of an even smaller minority of those who like the ending you should include that on your chart .

Modifié par fearan1, 05 avril 2012 - 01:26 .

[iorveth1271]

VirtualAlex wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

You compare the amount of people in a Twitter and Facebook group with the amount of people who bought the game. That said, everyone who isn't in the red chunk is according to the pie chart not an ending hater and is therefore either neutral or pro ending.

False. People not in the red chunk are people who are not members of the "retake" mass effect movement.

Which then contradicts your title. Not every ME3 ending "hater" is a member of RetakeME3, which means your pie chart proves even less.

[NeecHMonkeY]

VirtualAlex wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

The OPs logic is like this - over two million people bought ME3.  Of those two million, sixty six thousand joined a facebook group called "We Like Pepsi." Therefore everyone else who bought ME3 must like Coke.

That isn't even close to what my logic is. But that is a cool try.

Actually, that's exactly what your logic is.

The Pie Chart doesn't include the vocal people like yourself who say they enjoy the ending... last I checked, there was about 3000 of them.

You can't compare a vocal group with a non-vocal group because you have no idea where the non-vocal group stands by the mere fact that they are NON-VOCAL!

Technically, I'm in the non-vocal group as I haven't joined the Facebook group and guess what - I think the ending wasn't great.

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 05 avril 2012 - 01:28 .