662 réponses à ce sujet

[Torrible]

You know what, you can't even assume that the 66K 'fans' on the Retake Facebook page are unhappy with Bioware or ME3's ending. A significant portion may

1) not even be a ME fan (or a gamer) but are persuaded by Retakers to 'like' the page to help them in their fight for consumer rights
2) be just curious about the whole drama


But I agree that the chart doesn't really tell us anything useful. The statistic that 70% of the players who bought ME2 didn't even complete the game actually is more useful and tells us something about the consumer base. I bet most of them wouldn't even be aware of this whole saga. Many of them definitely bought the game for the gameplay.

Modifié par Torrible, 05 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[Soaringeagle78]

1.) Don't call me a hater, hater.
2.) Either you are making up numbers and lying about that, or you are lying by having a topic labeled "ME3 ending haters" then giving poll results that show something different. A.k.a. Retake ME. Not all 'haters' are a part of Retake ME *derp*
3.) Why did you make this? The way you are responding makes it sound like either you had absolutely no idea that this is the response you'd get and you're panicking, or you're just a troll.
4.) I think there are a 'silent majority' group of people in the world who could have proved a point better than you just did. Because you are utterly failing this argument, then we criticize you, then you just talk about how dumb and trollish we are when you're making up sh*t.

[Liber320]

Rulycar wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

again with the HATE thing!!!

it should be "Those that wanted a happy ending" or perhaps "those that think the ending need to be fixed" or something to that effect....NOT HATERS!

but i may agree with the vocal minority thing (though i do not agree with how the minority is going about things)......meh with the chart....and meh to this topic

Perhaps I show my age ...
... but hate used to mean you liked something less.

Growing up ...
... liking one daughter and hating another didn't mean you were your daughter's mortal enemy,
... just that you favored one daughter over another.

Since the 60s ...
... the meaning of "hate" has really eroded.

Really? Cause Freud used "hate" to describe "an ego state that wishes to destroy the source of its unhappiness"

That doesn't sound like something I'd want to use to describe my feelings towards anyone I cared about

[SNESwiggum]

OP you do realize the mass effect 3 facebook page existed months before the game was released. And that page had hundreds of thousands of likes before the game was even released. So your statistics are pretty much screwed because of that.

[sydranark]

Zix13 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

No, bro.

I will not come at you.

[Megachaz]

VirtualAlex wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

Man, that's some serious stat crunching.

For an encore perhaps you should look at the weekly percentage drops and compare them to that mega smash Dragon Age II. What you find may astonish you.

HAHA WHAT STAT CRUNCHING? What is wrong with you people.

You know if this was reddit, and you people were smarter than you clearly are, someone would have made a better chart than mine in about 5 min proving thier point better than I proved mine.

That is how you "counter troll" you do it better. But all you people can do is make shots in the dark about how I am doctoring up my numbers or doing bad math, or not understanding statistics.

How I am not taking into account the assumed massive population of haters that haven't proven thier hate in any tangible way.

How do you know you are the majority? Because all your close friends agree with you? All of my friends agree with me, isn't it weird how that works?! Amazon.uk wont sell it? I just looked it up, it's still there? Sales are dropping? Welcome to supply and demand. They sold 2.15 million already. It's ALREADY one of the top 10 grossing games on XBOX 360 after only 3 weeks on the market.

No, you damn troll.  No one is making charts to prove you're wrong because there hasn't been a single statistically solid study done.  There's no point in making a pie chart that agrees with my viewpoint because it still won't mean anything.  You're mad because no one is being quite as stupid as you.

[sfam]

GBJ13 wrote...

I think this numbers are pretty good: https://www.surveymo...M2rWBmgdEPFg_3d

Reasonable sample size, though obviously some concern about self-selection.
58.8% Hate the Ending
26.0% Dislike the Ending.

People may dislike the ending, but are not Retake Members for a variety of reasons, ranging from "I'll just trade the game in" to "it's their game, not mine." I think, however, most information shows that dislike position is the majority.  While it's impossible to know conclusively with the data we have, it's a pretty reasonable inference.

Your earlier post on Facebook membership discussed the  60k members who were part of the Retake Mass Effect. There are 700 members in the "Support Bioware" group which seeks to support the current ending. That group would probably be a better to compare the Retake tallies with than all those who like Mass Effect 3 or total games sold. Both include members that are passionate enough about the ending to join a group about it. In contrast, comparing everybody who likes ME3 to Retake ME seems invalid. There are lot of people who "like ME3" but dislike the ending.

That's from Reddit, a non-gaming site. A ful 84% hated or disliked the ending. Regardless whether they are interested in playing any more, or wanting a new ending, the fact that 84% hate or dislike the ending implies, well, that the vast majority of those completing Mass Effect 3 hate the ending. Additionally a full 94% wanted the plot holes explained and 95% wanted to know what happened to the galaxy after the ending.  So even 10% of those who didn't hate the ending (only 5.8% liked or loved the ending) STILL want to know what the heck happened.  

Talk about an epic fail of an ending.  You gotta think the writers have some serious 'splainin to do to the money guys...

[Soaringeagle78]

SNESwiggum wrote...

OP you do realize the mass effect 3 facebook page existed months before the game was released. And that page had hundreds of thousands of likes before the game was even released. So your statistics are pretty much screwed because of that.

This

[Hoverboy911]

VirtualAlex wrote...

...Read all about it! And see the cool chart!...

1 + 1 does not = 5%

Your statistical maff is terribad. While I am on that subject, your ability to draw a conclusion appears to be impaired as well.

Also, you apparently didn't put enough into your  ECS (Effective Chart Strength) because you only have red and blue, but no green.

PS, here is what your chart currently looks like:
Stat A = 3
Stat 2 = Cherries
Result = Assumption

Yes, I meant to do the above, but I don't think that you did...

Modifié par Hoverboy911, 05 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Nostradamoose]

Know what?

just gonna post this, it's far more accurate than anything OP will ever say

In addition, about one in 10 people are even willing to reach out to the media about their experiences. If they’re unhappy, nine percent will contact the media to report it, up one percent from last year. Those who have great experiences are less likely to make news, with five percent calling for media attention, also up one percent from last year.

http://www.spherion....AL_12_19_11.pdf

So, say, 5 % of the person NOT liking the ending (and hell, right now it's a downgrade as I said) That means your graphic is skewed and totally garbage.

Modifié par Nostradamoose, 05 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[pomrink]

When confronted with facts, OP runs in fear.

[Liber320]

pomrink wrote...

When confronted with facts, OP runs in fear.

He hits his head against a wall until his IQ drops low enough to "counter" our arguments

[the red boon]

VirtualAlex wrote...

the red boon wrote...

Only a fool would say the quiet ones enjoyed the endings. Every person at work and friends I've talked to about the endings have hated it but they didn't join retake. So good job for assuming but you fail.

So... you are assuming that out of the 97% who aren't part of the retake groups... more than 50% of those people actually hate the ending and keep it a secret?

Using your personal group of friends, who proably share your thoughts and rely on each other for input as the benchmark for the rest of the world is what is ASSUMING.

I am not using "what my friends think" as evidence to make this pie chart. I used real numbers.

There you go assuming again, all I was puting out there was that the people who aren't associated with anything are an unknown variable, and I have met one person who liked the endings he didn't play the game though. We don't know who the quitet and you'll never know what fraction of them hate it or love it so you fail.

[DarkRPG]

In radio/TV. one complaint letter is sometime viewed as a percentage of your audience. Like say 10,000 people represent one complaint. The idea is there is the vocal minority who speak for the quiet majority. We'll ignore special interest groups that complain all the time (Parent's Television Council) for example.

Simple put, the amount of people who have actively protested could represent ten times more people who do not actively protest but might agree. I may want certain laws changed but I don't go out protesting because I know there are those who will. I will sure as hell tell everyone I know the problem with said law.

That's the danger for EA/Bioware, it's word of mouth that could destroy them. Plus the fact that they got voted worse corporation of the year over BofA, damn straight the movement is bigger than mere facebook likes.

[MOELANDER]

This is Propaganda worthy of Joseph Goebbels! An excellent play with numbers! And false to the very end!

[fiendling]

pfellahX wrote...

The original was in crayon, I suspect.

^ 

[Chaoswind]

In real life

I hated

My sister RAGED
My neighbor hated it
My co worker has yet to reach the end, but thinks Legions dead was anticlimatic (oh boy he is in for a ****storm)
Other co worker just finished replaying ME1, because he wants the lore fresh in his head (told him to enjoy the ride regardless of the outcome)

[Torrible]

sfam wrote...

GBJ13 wrote...

I think this numbers are pretty good: https://www.surveymo...M2rWBmgdEPFg_3d

Reasonable sample size, though obviously some concern about self-selection.
58.8% Hate the Ending
26.0% Dislike the Ending.

People may dislike the ending, but are not Retake Members for a variety of reasons, ranging from "I'll just trade the game in" to "it's their game, not mine." I think, however, most information shows that dislike position is the majority.  While it's impossible to know conclusively with the data we have, it's a pretty reasonable inference.

Your earlier post on Facebook membership discussed the  60k members who were part of the Retake Mass Effect. There are 700 members in the "Support Bioware" group which seeks to support the current ending. That group would probably be a better to compare the Retake tallies with than all those who like Mass Effect 3 or total games sold. Both include members that are passionate enough about the ending to join a group about it. In contrast, comparing everybody who likes ME3 to Retake ME seems invalid. There are lot of people who "like ME3" but dislike the ending.

That's from Reddit, a non-gaming site. A ful 84% hated or disliked the ending. Regardless whether they are interested in playing any more, or wanting a new ending, the fact that 84% hate or dislike the ending implies, well, that the vast majority of those completing Mass Effect 3 hate the ending. Additionally a full 94% wanted the plot holes explained and 95% wanted to know what happened to the galaxy after the ending.  So even 10% of those who didn't hate the ending (only 5.8% liked or loved the ending) STILL want to know what the heck happened.  

Talk about an epic fail of an ending.  You gotta think the writers have some serious 'splainin to do to the money guys...

The problem is, people who took part in polls usually comprise of a very small percentage of actual consumers. You can't just extrapolate the data either because those people are not randomly selected. They are a very specific group of people (active on the internet, affected by the ending or the saga one way or another) and are non-representative of the ME3 consumers as a whole. X% of consumers are apathetic about the ending (due to low expectations or otherwise) or didn't care about the saga at all. If the X > 50%, then the anti-enders are a minority by default. Of course, X can be a small number as well but the fact is, we do not know what X is.

We also do not know what proportion of the people who took part in such polls actually own the game.

My guess: pro-enders + anti-enders = minority

Modifié par Torrible, 05 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[pomrink]

MOELANDER wrote...

This is Propaganda worthy of Joseph Goebbels! An excellent play with numbers! And false to the very end!

I guess no forum topic is complete without this happening....

[Jawsomebob]

the ending supporters are being very vocal on twitter today.....we need to fight back. I just dont understand how someone could be satisfied with a unpolished ending that doesn't conclude anything.

[xcomcmdr]

The Angry One wrote...

You go right on settling for less. The majority of us won't.

[MrnDpty161]

well unfortunately, I knew these posts would finally come around and pop up --- got to love fan civil wars.

I for one see it in a different way, its button smashers vs story readers.

Forget about the endings per say, the core weakness of the Mass Effect Series is this constant re-arranging of the said story in an attempt to get as many casual gammers who will not make no mistake in terms of telling you they could care less about the games. I mean I just don't see too many people talking about how  Mass Effect was really re-started over  twice.  Once with  ME2 and now ME3..with an added MP as a toiken for more button smashers.

And that is indeed a very strong weakness.   ME1's characters were put on the way side with ME2...and it looks like ME2 characters were selectively cast off as  VIP NPC's for ME3, again, another squad re-hash. Another new Normandy. Another new everything.  Aside for certain things, the consistancy isn't there at the end of the day and you can tell by the questionable plot holes and otherwise non-receptive charcters that should feel  emotion A becuase you chose B ----  and its simply passed on as " oh that was just a program bug..." 

So I'm not surprised that there is  certain ammount of   " Leave the ending as is..." , because of the mass flux of trophy hunters and trigger pullers eager to do the whole MP hamster wheele thing with endless map packs.  I'll wager their like  @#$@#$ the story, where's the new  Avenger IV with the extra clip!!!  Ha ha ha!!! I'll reach another level to get an extra rocket pack!!!!

So you know, this whole experimentation of lasting sequals that bind with eachother is still an experiment, its clearly a problem in the end.

Modifié par MrnDpty161, 05 avril 2012 - 06:37 .

[Gemini1179]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Read all about it! And see the cool chart!

ANOTHER EVEN BETTER CHART! Just added.

Edit: I changed the layout of the chart. Please disregard any comments about the pie chart being inaccruate. Although I contest that it was, this one is more accurate.

People can make up statistics to prove anything OP, 14% of all people know that.

Look at your thread title and then at your 'chart' and really think about the logic you've applied. It's been said much better in other posts, but you are playing a game of "let's pretend the numbers mean THIS!".

[FrozenDreamfall]

@Liber320 Oooooh ****,that's gotta sting...have any more where that came from? Started to like it.

[D_Dude1210]

Using the OP's logic, I went thru facebook and found NO groups with likes that indicated that they liked the ME3 ending.

Thus I can say for a fact: THAT NO ONE LIKED THE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!!

Wooh!

:-) :-)

Isn't false logic grand? :-) :-)