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[D_Dude1210]

Can someone make a pie chart indicating my above conclusions?

[sydranark]

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Using the OP's logic, I went thru facebook and found NO groups with likes that indicated that they liked the ME3 ending.

Thus I can say for a fact: THAT NO ONE LIKED THE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!!

Wooh!

:-) :-)

Isn't false logic grand? :-) :-)

I have nothing to add. I am reposting this becasue I believe it deserves the exposure. 

[Laughing_Man]

Meh.
I don't care one way or another, I was never afraid to be a part of the minority, and I certainly won't start now.
The only thing that's going to change for me after this giant clusterfu*k, is that I am going to be alot more carefull with any product with EA / BioWare stamped on it, and I would recommend to my friends to do the same.

[robdunnhill]

I know a few peeps at work who played it and all agree with the apparently minority. Sorry I personally believe the haters/disappointed fans are the majority. I have not met anyone in RL who says "Man I love the ME ending!"

[Rulycar]

Really? Cause Freud used "hate" to describe "an ego state that wishes to destroy the source of its unhappiness"

That doesn't sound like something I'd want to use to describe my feelings towards anyone I cared about

Showing the influence Freud has in eroding the meaning,
... doesn't exactly change the facts.

1) "hate" originates from sorrow/grief -not- hostility/animosity/mortal enemy
2) because it is in contrast to "love" it becomes a catchall for a wide range of emotion
3) RE: Freud, you can "destroy" an enemy by becoming their friend ... not exactly violent/hostile is it?

[MrnDpty161]

Here is a thought people --- how about we do this.

For those who can't stand the ending, they should change their avatars and leave it blank vs those who love the ending in which they don't change at all and see how many blank squares we get by simply opening up another forum post and title it " Change the Ending" --- and then thus people should just post a " Yay" or " nay". Then count the blank squares vs the untouched ones.

[Dendio1]

I dont use facebook or twitter and I would like to have the ending improved. Im sure there are more like me out there.

[MOELANDER]

pomrink wrote...

MOELANDER wrote...

This is Propaganda worthy of Joseph Goebbels! An excellent play with numbers! And false to the very end!

I guess no forum topic is complete without this happening....

Yeah I guess. Good ole Godwin's Law!

But if you look at Goebbels theories about Propaganda, and compare the methods of the OP with the methods of a true statistical survey, then you can see where he learned this stuff.

Also I post on a general gaming forum in Germany, where most people hate the ending.

[Flidget]

You do know the actual "Support Bioware's Mass Effect" group is only 699 members, right?

http://www.facebook....44005192318904/

[pomrink]

Edit: made a tasteless Germany joke, but thought better of it

[MOELANDER]

pomrink wrote...

Edit: made a tasteless Germany joke, but thought better of it

You better! Or ze Kasier will be most displeased! He is already raging wiz ze anger about ze abomination of an ending!

[TJX2045]

sydranark wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Using the OP's logic, I went thru facebook and found NO groups with likes that indicated that they liked the ME3 ending.

Thus I can say for a fact: THAT NO ONE LIKED THE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!!

Wooh!

:-) :-)

Isn't false logic grand? :-) :-)

I have nothing to add. I am reposting this becasue I believe it deserves the exposure. 

[cutegigi]

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Can someone make a pie chart indicating my above conclusions?

Challange accepted !!

[Nostradamoose]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Know what?

just gonna post this, it's far more accurate than anything OP will ever say

In addition, about one in 10 people are even willing to reach out to the media about their experiences. If they’re unhappy, nine percent will contact the media to report it, up one percent from last year. Those who have great experiences are less likely to make news, with five percent calling for media attention, also up one percent from last year.

http://www.spherion....AL_12_19_11.pdf

So, say, 5 % of the person NOT liking the ending (and hell, right now it's a downgrade as I said) That means your graphic is skewed and totally garbage.

HEY! OP, keep on IGNORING THIS


Just saying

[Vormaerin]

I am quite sure that the percentage of players not pleased with the endings is quite high. Which is different from hating the endings. The group of players who threadcrap on any remotely positive discussion of Bioware or ME3 is a very vocal, but very small, minority.

The internet tends to empower tiny minorities, allowing them to drive conversation and influence perceptions far in excess of their actual numbers.

There's a big step from "didn't like the endings" to "the endings ruined the game, the series, and my love affair with bioware."

[Torrible]

Vormaerin wrote...

I am quite sure that the percentage of players not pleased with the endings is quite high. Which is different from hating the endings. The group of players who threadcrap on any remotely positive discussion of Bioware or ME3 is a very vocal, but very small, minority.

The internet tends to empower tiny minorities, allowing them to drive conversation and influence perceptions far in excess of their actual numbers.

There's a big step from "didn't like the endings" to "the endings ruined the game, the series, and my love affair with bioware."

Exactly. People would use the polls to imply the latter when at best (there are many factors that would even diminish this claim) it indicates the former.

[winniethepuh]

The problem is ofcourse that BSN polls (or any poll really but getting to that) carry absolutly no weight whatsoever. If we actully were to apply Empirical values to debate then rule #1 needs to apply, " The absence of evidence is the *undisputable fact* of absence, until new evidence emerges".

All forms of polls and/or measuring of peoples opinions are largely flawed due to the fact that you only get people with very strong opinions to answer and that sample are usualy in extreme bias for negative views. The data you get is at best qualitative rather then scientificly quantitative to make it short, select-answer polls are even worse since they can easily be used to "herd" people toward certain answers.

The biggest falacy that I so far in this thread seen the "better ending" crowd fall into is the idea that if someone didn't like the ending we should assume that they would be in support of a new one. This is ofcourse a complete cluster**** of logic but it is quite common. It is similiar to UFO believers quoting researchers saying there has to be other lifeforms in the universe as proof that there have been landings on Earth even thought there is ofcourse no correlation.

It frankly doesn't even matter if 99% of people disliked the ME3 ending if there's only 10% of those actully want it changed and 89% that doesnt care. This gives us a *fact* of only 10% wanting a new ending and 90% who doesn't or alteast doesn't care. One can ofcourse argue that they wouldnt care even if there where a new ending and as such Bioware could make one anyway but that still doesn't mean that that group of people can be used as evidence for people wanting a new ending simply because they didnt like the old one. Quite majority falacy isnt empirical(duh) and as such has no value. We only go after what can be seen and measured accuratly.

If we go after what we can actully establish as fact rather then opinions, rumors, "My mother/brother/hamster thinks.." falacies and hearsay that is.

[corporal doody]

Rulycar wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

again with the HATE thing!!!

it should be "Those that wanted a happy ending" or perhaps "those that think the ending need to be fixed" or something to that effect....NOT HATERS!

but i may agree with the vocal minority thing (though i do not agree with how the minority is going about things)......meh with the chart....and meh to this topic

Perhaps I show my age ...
... but hate used to mean you liked something less.

Growing up ...
... liking one daughter and hating another didn't mean you were your daughter's mortal enemy,
... just that you favored one daughter over another.

Since the 60s ...
... the meaning of "hate" has really eroded.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Sloppywilly]

We can throw these numbers around all day but the fact that *several* PR statements were released to try and address the disenfranchised, especially one by Ray Muzyka himself shows that Bioware is taking the flak very seriously and it's enough of a problem that they weren't willing to ignore it as one usually does if the naysayers are a simple minority. 

I don't think Dr. Muzyka said anything concerning DA2 when it came out and there were plenty of detractors for that, I just think the fact that the CEO himself had to come out and say something means that they clearly feel the pressure from a force stronger than a couple of butthurt fans.

Modifié par Sloppywilly, 05 avril 2012 - 07:18 .

[derpy202]

You're forgetting the tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people who didn't like the ending, but don't have the patience to be vocal, or simply just disassociated themselves from the game entirely.

[Total Biscuit]

Considering every single poll and discussion on the topic on every website I've seen shows an overwhelming majority dislike the endings, and the only evidence against this is that facebooks mass effect page, that has been up for years and covers all 3 games, has more likes than the retake movements?

This isn't really the damning proof against the endings being a big pile of toss most of us hate that you think it is mate.

[Robhuzz]

sydranark wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

Using the OP's logic, I went thru facebook and found NO groups with likes that indicated that they liked the ME3 ending.

Thus I can say for a fact: THAT NO ONE LIKED THE MASS EFFECT 3 ENDING!!

Wooh!

:-) :-)

Isn't false logic grand? :-) :-)

I have nothing to add. I am reposting this becasue I believe it deserves the exposure. 

It's grand alright. Still, I do not think you're too far from the truth when you say no one liked the mass effect 3 ending. Only those with VERY low expecations or those who don't care about the story could possibly like it after all...

[Morden2261]

An anecdote: My wife and I have never written a letter to a game studio before. Heck, we've barely participated on forums before all this. The substandard quality of the ending upset us so much that we wrote a letter and express-mailed it to Bioware in Edmonton from here in Denmark (twenty bucks).

Are my wife and I representative of everyone? I'm not going to claim that. But we ARE two previously "silent consumers" who were so motivated by our disappointment that we stopped being silent. That means something.

Sure, it's just a single anecdote. But I don't think it's insignificant.

[corporal doody]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Considering every single poll and discussion on the topic on every website I've seen shows an overwhelming majority dislike the endings, and the only evidence against this is that facebooks mass effect page, that has been up for years and covers all 3 games, has more likes than the retake movements?

This isn't really the damning proof against the endings being a big pile of toss most of us hate that you think it is mate.

i dislike the ending(s)
i dislike the retake movement
i dislike that chart
i dislike the use of haters for anyone who disliked the ending
i dislike that if you deviate from Retake ideology on this board and vocalize it than you are pro-ending and a EA/BW stooge.
i dislike that more productive discussion is not being made between BW and the fan-base
I dislike the amount and consistancy of info from EA/BW in this matter
I dislike that if you dont subscribe to twitter AND cant read cryptic BS.....you wont have a clue what EA/BW is yapping about
I dislike how the media is slamming everyone who doesnt love the endings

[nrcrane]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Hahahaha lol all you kids know that once they release even a HINT of ending DLC for 800 MS points you are going to run and buy it.

troll