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[QuantumSheep13]

Can someone please shutdown this thread? All it's doing is giving the OP attention. That's clearly what he wants.

[Morden2261]

Terror_K wrote...

As somebody who works in a shop that sells games, I have to say that everybody I've talked to about ME3 with since it came out who has played it has mentioned the endings sucking. I've seriously yet to meet anybody physically in real life who has finished the game and not commented on hating the endings. It was (and still is) a very common topic of conversation since the game released. Certainly the most talked about thing in the store during the first two weeks. So, from my experience, the endings are pretty much universally hated.

I don't work at a game store, but I've been to one since the game came out and the topic of the ending came up with employees and customers all soon engaging in a rather animated discussion. Nobody thought the ending was well done, literally nobody. One person was okay just putting the game in his rear view mirror, the rest ranged from agitated to angry. The outbursts of emotions being displayed by a group of total strangers surprised me at the time, although in retrospect I suppose it shouldn't have. 

Yes, this is just an anecdote and there's no chart that goes along with it. I just thought it was interesting.

For the record, I didn't instigate the discussion.

[Durontan]

Oh sorry, I didn't know that I had to JOIN a facebook or any other group to show how much I hate the endings and missing closure, to be added into End hater that wants it changed. I didn't know that 14 of my friends who also bought the game and all but 1 hated the endings and who never visit forums have to join this group or that to be considered end haters. Thank you for clearing that up.

Yes you fool, if 66k people are YELLING that means that at least 10 times that many people support them from behind. Do your math 660k people is a lot.

[TJX2045]

Foxhound2121 wrote...



Here OP I fixed your piechart using your same sources and logic

Sources

www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3

www.facebook.com/groups/344005192318904/


www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17444719

HAHA.  YES. THiS. 

[Cyph3rX]

Seriously, stop responding to this drivel.

[Billabong2011]

Whatever you say.

[Fail_Inc]

Next you're gonna tell us WoW has 11million players! (Not including chinese, bots and people with multiple accounts)

[Barict78]

Cyph3rX wrote...



Seriously, stop responding to this drivel.

Sweet TITUS is Ur Profile Pic!

[philippe willaume]

Statistics are in essence asking small minority to project the result to the total population.
1000 people are considered a more than adequate sample. You need round 300 to have level of confidence of 5%.
In the service industry it is accepted that only 4% of the dissatisfied will actually complain.

Now it is really borderline of pathologic uncouthness to go about minority majority using localised poll results vs absolute figures and then saying that this is not a serious issue.
It is exactly like the Royal Air Force in WWII believing their own spin about the Battle of Britain and then getting their arse handed to them in the Chanel Dash.

Phil

[Eudaemonium]

The issue is that there are a lot of players who dislike the ending but are not part of the Retake movement or even care. I have yet to meet a single person who *likes* the ending. At best there is a kind of indifference.

[raider968]

OP clearly has no knowledge of how statistics work. To belittle those who hate the ending by compare the number of retakers to the total sales, is frankly absurd. I'm not even going to explain why, as it is almost as obvious has not slamming your balls with the car door. ie if you don't know it, then there is no helping you.

[Torrible]

winniethepuh wrote...

The problem is ofcourse that BSN polls (or any poll really but getting to that) carry absolutly no weight whatsoever. If we actully were to apply Empirical values to debate then rule #1 needs to apply, " The absence of evidence is the *undisputable fact* of absence, until new evidence emerges".

All forms of polls and/or measuring of peoples opinions are largely flawed due to the fact that you only get people with very strong opinions to answer and that sample are usualy in extreme bias for negative views. The data you get is at best qualitative rather then scientificly quantitative to make it short, select-answer polls are even worse since they can easily be used to "herd" people toward certain answers.

The biggest falacy that I so far in this thread seen the "better ending" crowd fall into is the idea that if someone didn't like the ending we should assume that they would be in support of a new one. This is ofcourse a complete cluster**** of logic but it is quite common. It is similiar to UFO believers quoting researchers saying there has to be other lifeforms in the universe as proof that there have been landings on Earth even thought there is ofcourse no correlation.

It frankly doesn't even matter if 99% of people disliked the ME3 ending if there's only 10% of those actully want it changed and 89% that doesnt care. This gives us a *fact* of only 10% wanting a new ending and 90% who doesn't or alteast doesn't care. One can ofcourse argue that they wouldnt care even if there where a new ending and as such Bioware could make one anyway but that still doesn't mean that that group of people can be used as evidence for people wanting a new ending simply because they didnt like the old one. Quite majority falacy isnt empirical(duh) and as such has no value. We only go after what can be seen and measured accuratly.

If we go after what we can actully establish as fact rather then opinions, rumors, "My mother/brother/hamster thinks.." falacies and hearsay that is.

[Barict78]

raider968 wrote...

OP clearly has no knowledge of how statistics work. To belittle those who hate the ending by compare the number of retakers to the total sales, is frankly absurd. I'm not even going to explain why, as it is almost as obvious has not slamming your balls with the car door. ie if you don't know it, then there is no helping you.

Its even funnier if u read this post using Javiks Voice!

[Torrible]

TJX2045 wrote...

Foxhound2121 wrote...



Here OP I fixed your piechart using your same sources and logic

Sources

www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3

www.facebook.com/groups/344005192318904/


www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17444719

HAHA.  YES. THiS. 

That seems about right. I bet at least 90% of the people who played ME3 don't give a crap about the ending or the saga.

What about instead of attacking the OP with the same hackneyed arguments, try responding to some of the well thought-out posts.

Modifié par Torrible, 05 avril 2012 - 08:55 .

[satunnainen]

Few days ago there was a news of a study in a newspaper that showed that: People who are incompetent in some area are also too incompetent to objectively evaluate their own competence in that subject. So they generally overestimate it.

For some reason I remembered that when I started reading this thread and some of the comments in it. Some of you are oversimplifying the problem because(?) you dont understand the statistics and you are trying to twist the numbers to show something you want them to show.

[Sheepie Crusher]

The fact that someone doesn't officialy join a the Reatake movement doesn't instantly mean that they like the ending

I had enough of your disingenious assertions "punch"

[Electric Pig]

You don't have to hate ME3 to hate its endings. -___-

But whatever, this topic was crated by a fool. And I shall no longer take part in it.

[B3ckett]

From what I've heard, 400.000 clients destroyed their copy on the first day after completing the game. Another 500.000 in the next week trashed both their games and desktop/consoles.
So... your argument is invalid.

[Changer the Elder]

satunnainen wrote...
For some reason I remembered that when I started reading this thread and some of the comments in it. Some of you are oversimplifying the problem because(?) you dont understand the statistics and you are trying to twist the numbers to show something you want them to show.

Nice one, satunnainen. I also remembered a few quibs from our statistics class.

B3ckett: How does the fact that a portion of people reportedly got more radical prove they are a majority? If I hated the government bad enough to blow up the parliament house, it in no way proves that everyone else in the country hated it too.
Plus, anyone willing to do what you heard they did could probably use a sanity check. And not just the Kaidan version. Even though I believe that's more of an urban myth than a credible story. Everyone seems to have heard of this elusive group, yet there's no one I've seen on BSN who'd actually stand up and say "Yep, I did that. I crashed a $350 console just because I hated five minutes of one game".

I'm not going to delve into the endings dilemma, I just want to fairly ask - why are you trying to verbally spank this guy (threat founder) to death? With about 90% of the comments being along the lines of "ha ha y n00b!", it feels a bit... as if one part of the fanbase started a full on witch hunt on anyone who dares to post a different opinion?

There are lots of people who hate the endings and yet are able to be civil about it. I believe you have inadvertedly proven VirtualAlex right by confirming the theory that "yes, the ending-haters are more vocal". Somehow, I'm not sure if that helps the cause.

Modifié par Changer the Elder, 05 avril 2012 - 09:22 .

[BrianWilly]

Well folks the guy made a chart, it's time for everyone to go home, there's no use denying the facts anymore! WE CANNOT ARGUE WITH THE CHART~

[iotha1804]

This is the most hilarious post I've seen in years lol. Bravo OP, bravo.

[Beti88]

For a moment there I thought I was reading an IGN article

[BinaryHelix101]

The logic in the OP is laughable.

It's like me going out when there's a presidential election and asking "who did you vote for" from 200 people. They all reply candidate A. But wait, there are 30000 voters in this town, so candidate B must have gotten 29800 votes!

Modifié par BinaryHelix101, 05 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Tirranek]

[quote]Torrible wrote...

[quote]TJX2045 wrote...

[quote]Foxhound2121 wrote...



Here OP I fixed your piechart using your same sources and logic

Sources

www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3

www.facebook.com/groups/344005192318904/


www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17444719

[/quote]
HAHA.  YES. THiS. 

[/quote]

I'm willing to bet the 'like' group are only a direct response to the 'retake' group, which means that it isn't indicative of how many people actually like the game, but rather how many people want to try and prove a point. That didn't work obviously, but that still leaves the big blue depths un-accounted for.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Read all about it! And see the cool chart!

ANOTHER EVEN BETTER CHART! Just added.

Edit: I changed the layout of the chart. Please disregard any comments about the pie chart being inaccruate. Although I contest that it was, this one is more accurate.

if you don't have proper statistics then go away