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[Biotic_Warlock]

Keeping in mind a lot of the more vocal players are on these forums. It's highly likely that the ending haters are way outnumbered by all those who are either content or liked it who never use these forums.

Worth mentioning.

[Seival]

People, just stop listen to the trolls, who try to look like they support current ME3 ending. These trolls just want to increase level of fans' hate, and reduce BioWare's reputation.

Modifié par Seival, 05 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Changer the Elder]

Seival: Really? Are you really going to call someone a troll just because they have a different opinion than you do?
"Look like they support"... really? Is it THAT hard to understand the fact that SOME people have DIFFERENT opinion to yours/your peer group/mine/whoever else?
I mean, really...?
Opinions like these just support that those who disapprove the ending are intolerant bigots. No wonder how threads like this one come to existence. When you're shouting like that, someone will always deem it necessary to shout back, just for the sake of their hearing.

[leewells]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Read all about it! And see the cool chart!

ANOTHER EVEN BETTER CHART! Just added.

Edit: I changed the layout of the chart. Please disregard any comments about the pie chart being inaccruate. Although I contest that it was, this one is more accurate.

I assume you live in fairy tale land where everyone votes and everyone speaks their minds?

Well lets come back down to Earth and "human nature".  I learned in my times working in customer service in High School that there is one constant in the human pscyche, out of every 50 customers that are disatisfied with a product or your services, only 1 will let you know.  For every 10 customers that are disatisfied with a product, they will tell 10 other friends about their experience.

Take that chart now, and multiply it by 50 (the movement alone).  What do you get?  MORE than the total SALES.  BioWare knows this, which is why they're responding.

Shall I mention the POLL here that shows a 98% disliking the GAME itself while only 2% are "ok" with it?

[Grimwick]

Changer the Elder wrote...

Seival: Really? Are you really going to call someone a troll just because they have a different opinion than you do?
"Look like they support"... really? Is it THAT hard to understand the fact that SOME people have DIFFERENT opinion to yours/your peer group/mine/whoever else?
I mean, really...?
Opinions like these just support that those who disapprove the ending are intolerant bigots. No wonder how threads like this one come to existence. When you're shouting like that, someone will always deem it necessary to shout back, just for the sake of their hearing.

Yes, replies like Sevival's do not help our cause.
But you need to remember that there has been much 'trolling' and raging from both sides at each other, you almost invalidated your point when you started calling retake supporters as 'intolerant bigots'...

The OP and many other people opening threads about how they hate anti-enders also support intolerance from the flipside so it's no wonder people are beginning to get fed up and resort to calling everyone a troll. 

[FaWa]

OP uninstall your web browser please

[Ziggeh]

leewells wrote...

Shall I mention the POLL here that shows a 98% disliking the GAME itself while only 2% are "ok" with it?

You could, but it would have the exact same problem as his numbers.

[Computron2000]

Why are people falling for the troll OP? The site is obviously matching his name. So ask yourself can the OP benefit from a large number of hits both financially and as an ego massage?

[Irx]

The visual representation is completely wrong, the OP should attend his junior school geometry classes again.

[Dreadcall]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...
 It's highly likely that the ending haters are way outnumbered by all those who are either content or liked it who never use these forums.

While that sentence is technically correct, it does not account for those that disliked or downright hated the ending but do not come here, go to facebook or twitter or wherever else complain about it. There are probably a lot of them, but we don't really know how many.

Modifié par Dreadcall, 05 avril 2012 - 11:36 .

[Elvwood]

Love your stats they are so accurate LOL
here is a pretty link for you

www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx

Modifié par Elvwood, 05 avril 2012 - 12:03 .

[Oakenshield1]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Keeping in mind a lot of the more vocal players are on these forums. It's highly likely that the ending haters are way outnumbered by all those who are either content or liked it who never use these forums.

Worth mentioning.

That's not true at all. Yes, the more vocal members are hear, but that doesn't mean you're satisfied just because you're not on BSN all the time. The only true test anyway is a proper survey, not internet survey, phone call survey. Internet surveys are scewed because people have to go out looking for one in order to participate in one, so unless they have Mass Effect on the brain that day you're not going to get a good representation of the entire audience.

[calvinocious]

Why don't we stop responding to Troll Thread and let it die? I'm tired of seeing this on the front page. Let's get some good topics up there.

[tiger-tron]

Just because people don't post on BSN or express their dissapointment on other websites, does not mean they were happy with the ending, and vice versa. It goes both ways.

I know for a fact that those dissapointed are not the vocal minority. I'd say BSN reflects the overwhelming view that the endings were dissapointing.

Modifié par tiger-tron, 05 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[PSUHammer]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Just out of curiosity, I see this "troll" phrase overused on BSN, lately. Why do people call those they disagree with trolls?

Er, this guy is using complete BS logic to try an elicit responses. That's the definition of a troll.

I have seen a hell of a lot of irrational and illogical anti-ending ranting.  I rarely see people say that is "trolling" although, by definition, it could be?  This makes me think that people are just calling anything that disagrees with their stance "trolling".

[killnoob]

The chart is noob.
I'm not in the movement and i hate the endings.What, do I have to be a christian to believe Jesus exist?

Just because the movement is not bigger than the people who bought mass effect, doesn't mean the endings are not horrible. Really makes you wonder why human beings have brains - only a handful of people seem to be using it.

[Subject Alpha]

Funny, the whole of this thread seems to prove you wrong, doesn't it, OP?

[Chuvvy]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Keeping in mind a lot of the more vocal players are on these forums. It's highly likely that the ending haters are way outnumbered by all those who are either content or liked it who never use these forums.

Worth mentioning.

Keeping in mind that every poll has shown the ending to be disliked in the 80 to 90 percentile, and that it's generally accepted that only 1/24 customers activly complain about a problem.

John Goodman[/b] did pioneering customer service research through TARP[/b], the company he founded in 1971. He showed that, while customer service is typically a cost center in most companies, it could be turned into a powerful marketing force to drive sales, repeat business and greater profits. His research showed that roughly 4% of customers (1 out of 26) that were "wronged" by a company complain. The other 96% (25 out of 26) stop buying and tell 9 to 10 others within a week about their poor treatment. This means that a negative word of mouth pyramid averaging 250 is created. If the company is able to satisfactorily solve the problems of the 4% that complain (turn the negative into a positive), they will tell 6 to 7 others within a week that the company solved their problem. This will result in a positive word of mouth pyramid of 250 customers that say good things about the company. The positive group will also develop a closer relationship with the company. What can you do about the other 96%? You can go through your customer list and contact customers that have not bought products from you in a while and ask them why you have not heard from them. This will identify a good number of negatives that you can turn into positives. And, in cases where there were no negatives, the contact is another opportunity to generate more business.

http://www.cbsnews.c...prove-business/ 

So, if we take that into account, and going off OPs incredibly biased numbers, we get 1,584,000 pissed people. Going by the average, give or take ten thousand. And I'll throw OP a bone and I won't use the big reddit poll.

Worth mentioning.

You can find the polls on your own because I don't feel like digging up the CVG, BSN, Reddit, Gamefaqs, and IGN polls.

4/10, got me to respond. I already had this stuff up from another discussion. Not calling the guy I quoted a troll by the way.

Modifié par Slidell505, 05 avril 2012 - 12:18 .

[killnoob]

Let this thread die.

Fail Troll is fail.

[Myrmedus]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Keeping in mind a lot of the more vocal players are on these forums. It's highly likely that the ending haters are way outnumbered by all those who are either content or liked it who never use these forums.

Worth mentioning.

That's a fundamentally flawed statement, assuming those who do not use these forums are automatically content or happy with the ending. It is also true that there are many who hated the ending and do not use the forums, thus are not included in the vocal group. I know this is true because I kbow 2 such people, therefore those 2 people alone disprove your assumption.

Not that it matters. Are we seriously doing this thread again? This has truly become boring:

"We're in the majority."

"No, WE are."

"No, we are more!"

"No, we are MOST!"

Noone will or can come up with a reliable way of ascertaining which camp is in the majority, including the method detailed in this thread. The vast majority of players are not involved with these forums and thus the confounding factor in any statistical analysis is huge and the majority.

In other words, the majority of ME3 players are essentially an "abstain" vote because they're not on the forums.

Besides, who cares? The point is that a large group of people hated the ending and can be accomadated to by the inclusion of optional content. The precise proportion of those players compared to the overall ME3 player demographic isn't relevant.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 05 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[puppy maclove]

I think the OP forgets about DA2? Everybody just said it was just the vocal minority back then.... what happened to the expansion for DA2...it was cancelled due to lack of interest!!!!

[Myrmedus]

The measure is fundamentally flawed aswell because by comparing the size of Retake ME3 to the ME3 player demographic is it comparing two different samples with completely different sizes: one which was sourced almost completely from members of BSN and one which includes every ME3 player.

[luzburg]

jeez. the 66 thousand are just those active in the fight you can safly asume that most of the 2.1 milion hated the ending but just dosent care cause they are not hardcore fans

[Eain]

Ah, the common fallacy that whoever is not part of the vocal group is automatically against it. The rules of formal logic disagree with that pretty little boob-shaped chart.

It's logical easily nullifiable by a counter-claim. What few vocal pro-enders there are pale in comparison to the amount of people not vocal about their love for the ending. Therefore they do not love the ending. Therefore they dislike it.

As you understand this line of reasoning proves very little and is nothing but assumption.

Modifié par Eain, 05 avril 2012 - 12:31 .