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[mupp3tz]

You forget to mention the fact that the Mass Effect official facebook only has 781,882 "likes". -- not 800,000. The proportions increase if you consider the amount of people who aren't active on the Internet.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 05 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[Aetius5]

Yeah, great information there Mr.OP, now let me find someone more worthy of trolling because you sir, are not worth it.

[DocStone]

As part of a gaming clan, and a member of a forum with a very active gaming community, I have yet to encounter anyone that likes the ending. The reactions range from a simple WTF? to derision and ridicule of Bioware for making such an unreal ending.

None of them post on here and I doubt that any of them have any idea about the "Retake" movement or their facebook page. However I do know that out of over 40 people I know (directly and indirectly) that have finished the game, not one of them liked the ending and they all hope it will be changed.

No statistics, no speculation, just cold hard facts there.

[sfam]

Terror_K wrote...

As somebody who works in a shop that sells games, I have to say that everybody I've talked to about ME3 with since it came out who has played it has mentioned the endings sucking. I've seriously yet to meet anybody physically in real life who has finished the game and not commented on hating the endings. It was (and still is) a very common topic of conversation since the game released. Certainly the most talked about thing in the store during the first two weeks. So, from my experience, the endings are pretty much universally hated.

Interesting.  Do you have some guestimates at how many people you've talked to about this?  How many people on average per day do you have this conversation with?  Are you talking 2-3 per day or more like 20 per day?

[Naamah_bb]

As someone who is educated in and actually earns a living with statistics all I can say is -----> lol to OP.

[Comsky159]

*Points and laughs at OP*

[Beti88]

Ah, I hope he returns to posting. He's amusingly stupid.

[mbr.to]

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Modifié par mbr.to, 05 avril 2012 - 12:45 .

[Baine10]

Guys, stop bumping a thread that reeks of self-advertisement. The title also infuriates me, but just stop replying. Let it sink down to the worst depth of the BSN and never seen again.

[Sinekein]

Naamah_bb wrote...

As someone who is educated in and actually earns a living with statistics all I can say is -----> lol to OP.

Indeed, this is like going to the TD Garden and ask "Who likes the Lakers ?". With this sample, it looks like 0% of the population likes the Lakers.

Anyway, the sheer amount of threads about the ending, the indoctrination theory or anything related to one of those two topics in the "Story and Campaign discussion" forum can be seen as a proof that something, somewhere, is wrong.

[Xellith]

I would just like to say that the whole "this game sold X copy" doesnt work too well. Since obviously NOBODY knew the ending sucked until after the first few days - meaning that lots had already sold. Look at its price NOW though. Watch its price come crashing DOWN. Yea. People know it sucks.

[mbr.to]

you guys are funny

yeah Baine10 lets flood the forums with more hatred about the ending so people wont be distraced by hard facts and numbers.

lets all kill the messenger! lets stone VirtualAlex!

[Ziggeh]

Slidell505 wrote...
Keeping in mind that every poll has shown the ending to be disliked in the 80 to 90 percentile, and that it's generally accepted that only 1/24 customers activly complain about a problem.

 Mmmm, neither of those values realistically apply. You can't use a self selection poll to represent a larger population (though as someone said earlier, they are indictative), and if TARPs "4%" rule is "generally accepted" then it wouldn't apply to a special case, which this would be.

[Ziggeh]

Baine10 wrote...

Guys, stop bumping a thread that reeks of self-advertisement. The title also infuriates me, but just stop replying. Let it sink down to the worst depth of the BSN and never seen again.

The multiple "We are not the minority bceause we have misused statistics" threads have been just as bad. People are far happier to accept the horrible use of statistics if it supports their opinion. Me, I hate it at all times.

[lillitheris]

Ziggeh wrote...

Mmmm, neither of those values realistically apply. You can't use a self selection poll to represent a larger population (though as someone said earlier, they are indictative), and if TARPs "4%" rule is "generally accepted" then it wouldn't apply to a special case, which this would be.

That's true, one shouldn't try to argue with unreliable and very tenuously interpreted statistics. I wish people didn't (on either side).

However, all statistics thus far show overwhelming dissatisfaction with the ending (for various reasons). Id est, overwhelming enough to be statistically suggestive. Claiming that those who liked it are a majority has the burden of proof at this point.

Modifié par lillitheris, 05 avril 2012 - 12:57 .

[Justin2k]

Of course they are. Even if you take into account that a lot of people who never went on a forum didn't like the ending, thats still hundreds of thousands of people who didn't care enough to come online and join their group.

On this forum they of course seem like the majority, because people are always more likely to sign up to complain than they are to praise. Its the way it works.

[The Almighty Ali]

First of all, Just because someone bought the game it doesn't autmatically mean they liked it.
Secondly, Just because they aren't vocal doesn't mean they liked or hated it.

You're drawing conclusions from a the silent group that's not voiced their opinion at all and twisting it to say that they favor it.

It would be equal to having a political party pull all the non-voters up as " They favor us because they've never said they favored you" in a election. It's just not true.
If they like it or not isn't something we know, there are likely both but they aren't voicing their opinion and therefor we don't know.

What we do know however is that out of the two vocal groups here, Us the Retake Movement and you the pro-enders is something we can provide facts on and so far, and as much as you probably hate it, there are alot more that are against the ending.

But answer me this, If they do release a new ending and it's optional for people to download, why does that matter to you? You don't have to download it. If you're content with the game as it is then nobody's forcing you to take it down.

[ChuckNorris18]

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Modifié par ChuckNorris18, 05 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[Sinekein]

Sinekein wrote...

Indeed, this is like going to the TD Garden and ask "Who likes the Lakers ?". With this sample, it looks like 0% of the population likes the Lakers.

I forgot to add the end of my point : "But on the other hand, Lakers fans can say "Look, there are only 20.000 Lakers haters in America ! Everybody else loves our team"."

Modifié par Sinekein, 05 avril 2012 - 01:06 .

[Terror_K]

sfam wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

As somebody who works in a shop that sells games, I have to say that everybody I've talked to about ME3 with since it came out who has played it has mentioned the endings sucking. I've seriously yet to meet anybody physically in real life who has finished the game and not commented on hating the endings. It was (and still is) a very common topic of conversation since the game released. Certainly the most talked about thing in the store during the first two weeks. So, from my experience, the endings are pretty much universally hated.

Interesting.  Do you have some guestimates at how many people you've talked to about this?  How many people on average per day do you have this conversation with?  Are you talking 2-3 per day or more like 20 per day?

Well, keeping in mind I work part time and wasn't there all day every day during the time period, along with the fact we're a small store in a small city that in most other Western countries would be considered a town, during the first two weeks I'd say it came up between 5 and 10 times a day. Over the last week or two (not counting regulars who I still discuss the issue with) it's closer to once or twice a day.

So, not a massive amount of times, but often enough, and percentage wise definitely completely tipped against it. Also, I've had two cases of copies being traded in to me and me basically commenting something along the lines of, "the ending was it?" and getting a silent, solemn nod in response.

Modifié par Terror_K, 05 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[JosieFrances]

Special J wrote...

Your pie chart is about as crappy as the ending.

[Changer the Elder]

Grimwick wrote...

Yes, replies like Sevival's do not help our cause.
But you need to remember that there has been much 'trolling' and raging from both sides at each other, you almost invalidated your point when you started calling retake supporters as 'intolerant bigots'...

The OP and many other people opening threads about how they hate anti-enders also support intolerance from the flipside so it's no wonder people are beginning to get fed up and resort to calling everyone a troll. 

I'm sorry, English is not my mother tongue, I'm not skilled enough to pass through subtleties and usually end up proving a wrong point... I'm not calling those who disapprove the endings intolerant bigots, I'm mentioning that reactions like Sevival's only push through the general view on this group being such. I do not share that opinion, since I'm more than well aware that both sides of the argument have their own fair share of... well, intolerant and angry people.

I prefer not to take a side in that argument at all (since I frankly believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion and all I've seen from both sides is "you're not with us = you're against us"), I'm just sad and just a tad irritated when people call other people (or myself) less of a fan, dimmwitted or being paid to support side A or B just because they refuse to accept that the other person does not share their view.

Threads like this might be what's pouring the gasoline into the fire, but seeing how the thread-founder basically just said "I think you are a minority" and almost everyone else reacted by insults is not what I'd see as fair.

[bpzrn]

LOL yea becuase enveryone with issues with the endings is posting and on facebook, or like all you supportes are just not speaking up?

flawed but it really dont matter BW Fed up and its not fixable, they are going to suffer longterm thats a fact watch

[VirtualAlex]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...
Sales numbers vs people?
Lets take the numbers of the movement and multiply it by the number of sales which is about $59.99
Roughly, 3,950,000 so guess what? We are the majority. Before creating a poll, don't do cash sales compared to individual people. Makes you look stupid when someone figures out the math.

Dude... 2.15 copies not $2.15 in sales. it's clearly marked.

[VirtualAlex]

bpzrn wrote...

LOL yea becuase enveryone with issues with the endings is posting and on facebook, or like all you supportes are just not speaking up?

flawed but it really dont matter BW Fed up and its not fixable, they are going to suffer longterm thats a fact watch

If you would be kind enough to tell me how I am to reasonable measure all the people that silently dislike the ending, maybe I could take them into account. But for the time being I will not assume what people think, rather I will only count people that vocalized thier opinion.