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[poundoffleshaa]

The OP would be right if all players where BW forum members and on-line at the time of the poll. I don't think that is the case.

[stcalvin13]

Oh yes, since most players haven't signed up for a group they obviously believe the exact opposite.

I teach critical reasoning. That would receive a failing grade.

[pfellahX]

Johcande XX wrote...

Well, I guess OP wins.

It's hard to argue with statistics like that, I mean his pie chart has two colors!

One more and it could be made into a video game ending.

[Hy0ga]

 Statistics is the art of lying with numbers. It's fantastic how can you manipulate stuff with a beautiful pie chart. 
How big is the "I LOVE THE ENDING" community? 
So, let's take another example; www.facebook.com/SaveAfricasChildren.

This is a group called Save Africas Children has 3.986 likes. So, following the same logic, the other 6 billion people or at least the other 845 million facebook users don't give a damn about the african children? 

Even more; let's take this online poll as an example. news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57402711-1/friday-poll-should-bioware-change-mass-effect-3s-ending/ 

83% 
Yes. The ending is unacceptable. 
8% 
Only if it's a brighter ending. The current options are too bleak. 
4% 
No. It's just fine as is. 
3%
It's too late. I won't be able to accept a different ending now. 
2% 
Other. (Expand in the comments.) 


What does this tell you?

[Mandemon]

So he takes sold copies as "happy customers" and people on Facebook group as "unhappy"?

That only shows number of unhappy consumers who voice their complains. Not total number of said people. Some people don't use Facebook/Twitter/Google+/BSN etc or they use limited number of them.

[charon45]

The last time I saw marketing advice this bad, it was followed by "I know the mayor of Boston".

Bioware or anyone else would be stupid to believe everyone who has not signed on to a retake ME3 social networking page likes the ending. Try to create a "We love the ME3 ending" facebook page. If the people who like the ending outnumber the people who dislike it by a ratio of over 30 to 1 like you are suggesting, it should be easy to at least match the number of people on the RME3 page.

[StarcloudSWG]

Seriously. Learn statistics, and then learn about the many studies of dissatisfied customers and how many complain vs. how many are actually dissatisfied.

Once you've disproved those peer-reviewed and published studies, then you can go on about how 62,000 people who hate the ending represent a 'minority' of the people who played and finished the game.

[Vexia2070]

poundoffleshaa wrote...

You know the proportion of people who complain is on average is about 5 percent so scale that up and you get 1.3 million or 60%. 

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[Dav3VsTh3World]

Hy0ga wrote...

 Statistics is the art of lying with numbers. It's fantastic how can you manipulate stuff with a beautiful pie chart. 
How big is the "I LOVE THE ENDING" community? 
So, let's take another example; www.facebook.com/SaveAfricasChildren.

This is a group called Save Africas Children has 3.986 likes. So, following the same logic, the other 6 billion people or at least the other 845 million facebook users don't give a damn about the african children? 

Even more; let's take this online poll as an example. news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57402711-1/friday-poll-should-bioware-change-mass-effect-3s-ending/ 

83% 
Yes. The ending is unacceptable. 
8% 
Only if it's a brighter ending. The current options are too bleak. 
4% 
No. It's just fine as is. 
3%
It's too late. I won't be able to accept a different ending now. 
2% 
Other. (Expand in the comments.) 


What does this tell you?

It tells me that #RetakeME3 got a hold of the link and sent it around to their followers, I didn't even know that poll existed.

[Drxx]

No facebook.
No like endings.
No to you.

[Calbeb]

Hy0ga wrote...

 Statistics is the art of lying with numbers. It's fantastic how can you manipulate stuff with a beautiful pie chart. 
How big is the "I LOVE THE ENDING" community? 
So, let's take another example; www.facebook.com/SaveAfricasChildren.

This is a group called Save Africas Children has 3.986 likes. So, following the same logic, the other 6 billion people or at least the other 845 million facebook users don't give a damn about the african children? 

Even more; let's take this online poll as an example. news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57402711-1/friday-poll-should-bioware-change-mass-effect-3s-ending/ 

83% 
Yes. The ending is unacceptable. 
8% 
Only if it's a brighter ending. The current options are too bleak. 
4% 
No. It's just fine as is. 
3%
It's too late. I won't be able to accept a different ending now. 
2% 
Other. (Expand in the comments.) 


What does this tell you?

This tells me very little. The EA being the worst company in the world is a great example of that. People who dislike the ending are far more likely to take the poll. Add to that the Retakers would likely LINK the poll in order to get people to sign it.

Personally I think the majority are displeased with the ending. I think out of that majority, many would be fine leaving it, and will probably buy the next Mass Effect game regardless.

But that's just my opinion, I have no more to back that up than anyone else. You'd have to do a real sociological study in order to get more info than that.

Modifié par Calbeb, 04 avril 2012 - 11:57 .

[Tlav]

I will be honest here and i mean honest.I don't know about everyone else but i could'nt play ME3 for a week when it dropped and all my friend on xbox live when I got on or the ones who i talk to on a regular basis, kept asking me if I finished the game i said no and took my time playing it. When i finished it and i discussed the ending with most of my friends on xbox live i discovered not only a bunch of them was hardcore Mass Effect fans like myself but a full 15/15 hated the ending, my 15 friends didn't rage about. They are not going to voice their opinions on these forums like myself in a respectable manner. All 15 just said they are done with Bioware. Trust me when i say this the amount of people angry about the ending is huge just a small portion of them are being outward and vocal about outside of discussion's with friends.

[Rhz]

@op those numbers do really have value.


really.

[SiriusXI]

VirtualAlex wrote...

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Dude.... seriously...

[Dav3VsTh3World]

ITT: Retake Mass Effect 3 fans that refuse to look at official facts,

Let me put it this way: Do you see fans on here ever single hour of every single day praising the ending? once they've said they like it why repost? its the ones who are angry that keep coming back.

[starscreamerx31]

Op and your the voice for who again?

[pfellahX]

For a more apples-to-apples comparison, there's a FB page called "Support Mass Effect 3's Endings" that has 26 likes. 26 vs. 60,000. Now unlike, OP, I'm willing to concede that there's people who liked the ending but didn't bother joining that group -- but still... that's at least using data from the same website.

[Grasich]

Clearly this guy knows his maths.

[Hy0ga]

pfellahX wrote...

For a more apples-to-apples comparison, there's a FB page called "Support Mass Effect 3's Endings" that has 26 likes. 26 vs. 60,000. Now unlike, OP, I'm willing to concede that there's people who liked the ending but didn't bother joining that group -- but still... that's at least using data from the same website.

And we also have this one 
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

[Athro]

As has been pointed out before, standard business marketing statistics state that for every vocal complainant you have, there are usually around 26 silent complainants. So when dealing with complaints you need to account for those figures and not just the vocal ones.

The reason for this is that most people when unhappy don't complain. They just stop paying for the service and tell their friends not to bother. And that's it.

So that 66k quickly balloons into well over 60% if all sales.

And chances are that there have been more complaints received than just the facebook likes.

[2484Stryker]

Someone teach this kid statistics and how to produce pie charts.

I wonder if something's missing in that chart..oh perhaps...the sliver of people who liked the ending? Or was it too small to be seen?

[Calbeb]

pfellahX wrote...

For a more apples-to-apples comparison, there's a FB page called "Support Mass Effect 3's Endings" that has 26 likes. 26 vs. 60,000. Now unlike, OP, I'm willing to concede that there's people who liked the ending but didn't bother joining that group -- but still... that's at least using data from the same website.

If I liked the ending, and was satisfied, why would I join a group to support the ending. I am already satisfied! There i nothing for me to support beyond my own enjoyment.

I don't play a part in Retake:ME. I would like a better ending. I don't hate the current one. I am definately not joining a group for people like me. Why?

[Zix13]

Notice how the pro enders lack the critical thinking skills to understand why these statistics are invalid.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

pfellahX wrote...

For a more apples-to-apples comparison, there's a FB page called "Support Mass Effect 3's Endings" that has 26 likes. 26 vs. 60,000. Now unlike, OP, I'm willing to concede that there's people who liked the ending but didn't bother joining that group -- but still... that's at least using data from the same website.

Don't forget about those in the middle, you know the people who though the ending was ok but flawed