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[Ratham]

You're assuming that every copy sold was to somebody that cares enough to go on the BSN/internet to express their thoughts.

You're also assuming that the other copies sold (-) Retake ME3 = Loved it

0/10

[poundoffleshaa]

The OP assumes only those who joined Retake hate the ending, which is wrong because I am not part of retake and hate the ending, he also treats a small sample as if it the whole population which is wrong too, Aka His assumption are as hollow as his data.

[Jere85]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, is OP a troll simply because people disagree? Or is he/she able to voice a different point of view? And, for those that post "This again?"...are they saying the same thing about the countless ending complaint threads here?

Agreeing with something is alot easier then disagreeing with something over and over and over again

So, what about agreeing with it over and over and over again?

Read the part where i said it was easier.

[20x6]

More like 1 to 1.5 million disappointed.... and growing.


source:  
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hr005 
Actively Seeking Customer ComplaintsIt is important to realize that organizations that are totally customer-focused do not just respond effectively to customer complaints; they actively seek them out. What specific activities does your organization utilize to provide customers with easy opportunities to register their dissatisfaction? Are these activities sufficient? Remember, research indicates that for every complaint expressed there are over 25 unregistered complaints. Many dissatisfied customers just quietly take their business elsewhere. Therefore, organizations that are truly committed to delivering Superior Customer Performance work hard at providing their customers opportunities to complain. What opportunities exist for your organization to more aggressively invite and receive customer complaints? No organization is so perfect in the delivery of Superior Customer Performance that significant levels of dissatisfaction (the source of complaints) do not exist. No news from customers regarding your performance is not necessarily good news.

[Doctor_is_in]

Oh, look. It's this topic again. Hooray. Remember, do not feed the trolls.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Poor kid's desperate for attention.

[Legendaryred]

20x6 wrote...

More like 1 to 1.5 million disappointed.... and growing.


source:  
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hr005 
Actively Seeking Customer ComplaintsIt is important to realize that organizations that are totally customer-focused do not just respond effectively to customer complaints; they actively seek them out. What specific activities does your organization utilize to provide customers with easy opportunities to register their dissatisfaction? Are these activities sufficient? Remember, research indicates that for every complaint expressed there are over 25 unregistered complaints. Many dissatisfied customers just quietly take their business elsewhere. Therefore, organizations that are truly committed to delivering Superior Customer Performance work hard at providing their customers opportunities to complain. What opportunities exist for your organization to more aggressively invite and receive customer complaints? No organization is so perfect in the delivery of Superior Customer Performance that significant levels of dissatisfaction (the source of complaints) do not exist. No news from customers regarding your performance is not necessarily good news.

This, just so you know OP when there is a presidential campaign they don't poll the whole country. They poll a group of people and use REAL MATH to apply those results to bigger numbers. They're damn accurate too, +5 or minus 5 % give or take.

[corkey sweet]

op,
the gamer polls suggest otherwise

[VirtualAlex]

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

[iorveth1271]

Legendaryred wrote...

This, just so you know OP when there is a presidential campaign they don't poll the whole country. They poll a group of people and use REAL MATH to apply those results to bigger numbers. They're damn accurate too, +5 or minus 5 % give or take.

Must be an american thing 

[iorveth1271]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

The BSN forums defy your logic.

[Sublyminal]

Really... did he really just try to use sales data? Does he not realize that 95% of those people don't even come to these forums.

[Hexley UK]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

Statistics fail abounds.

[VirtualAlex]

iorveth1271 wrote...
The BSN forums defy your logic.

Can you say that difinitively? 

[OgFux69]

Hm? Sales... I see... Number of FB Likes/Twitter followers, interesting.

Anything else?

[PSUHammer]

Jere85 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, is OP a troll simply because people disagree? Or is he/she able to voice a different point of view? And, for those that post "This again?"...are they saying the same thing about the countless ending complaint threads here?

Agreeing with something is alot easier then disagreeing with something over and over and over again

So, what about agreeing with it over and over and over again?

Read the part where i said it was easier.

How so?

[corkey sweet]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

a very large group are unhappy with bioware for sure. however, not everyone is demanding a new ending. a lot of people just accept the game had a terrible ending, and just move on. like me, i will be trading my copy of me3 in  twords the witcher 2

[Dire Wombat]

LOL

OP... Math. You're doing it wrong. =P

[Liber320]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

Not being vocal =/= being "fine" with the endings.

Simply showing the number of copies sold and the number of vocal protesters, based on the members of a single website, even Facebook, is nowhere near accurate enough to represent the population.

And even it it was an accurate representation, it means nothing unless you compare it to the number of people who like the ending.

Take a basic stats course, or at least get a general knowledge of how statistics work next time, so you don't make an utter fool of yourself

[Nobrandminda]

20x6 wrote...

More like 1 to 1.5 million disappointed.... and growing.


source:  
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hr005 
Actively Seeking Customer ComplaintsIt is important to realize that organizations that are totally customer-focused do not just respond effectively to customer complaints; they actively seek them out. What specific activities does your organization utilize to provide customers with easy opportunities to register their dissatisfaction? Are these activities sufficient? Remember, research indicates that for every complaint expressed there are over 25 unregistered complaints. Many dissatisfied customers just quietly take their business elsewhere. Therefore, organizations that are truly committed to delivering Superior Customer Performance work hard at providing their customers opportunities to complain. What opportunities exist for your organization to more aggressively invite and receive customer complaints? No organization is so perfect in the delivery of Superior Customer Performance that significant levels of dissatisfaction (the source of complaints) do not exist. No news from customers regarding your performance is not necessarily good news.

Ah, here's the statistic I was looking for.

Even if you assume that the 66,000 people on the Retake Mass Effect facebook group are the only ones who have expressed a complaint (and they are not) that would put the number of people unsatisfied with the ending at about 1.6 million.

Modifié par Nobrandminda, 05 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[scrapmetals]

See, funny thing is, if you like the ending? You get to keep it. So why do you care so much if we are the minority? You're not losing you're crap endings. *shrug* This is no way hurts you, why be an ass about it?

Edit: Oh, and bend your mind around this for a minute, OP. Everyone has an opinion, and no opinion is wrong. But when you say someone else is wrong, that just ruins your credibility, and makes it hard for people to want to listen to you because they'd much rather punch you in the mouth.

I don't argue with people who like the endings. I disagree with them. But they're right in their opinion - they like it, that's good enough for them. I'm also right in my opinion, because the ending isn't good enough for me.

Modifié par scrapmetals, 05 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[VirtualAlex]

Hexley UK wrote...

Statistics fail abounds.

Lol how it a statistics fail? Are you people stupid? I simply took 2 numbers. Total sales and fans of "retake" and compated them.

3% of consumers are fans of "retake." The math is 100% transparent and sound.

Do with it what you want. If you want to claim that 90% of people hate the ending and are just keeping it all inside than that's your problem. If you want to play with imaginiary numbers about how each complaint should really count as 25 then make your own pie chart. I only deal with real numbers.

[Jere85]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, is OP a troll simply because people disagree? Or is he/she able to voice a different point of view? And, for those that post "This again?"...are they saying the same thing about the countless ending complaint threads here?

Agreeing with something is alot easier then disagreeing with something over and over and over again

So, what about agreeing with it over and over and over again?

Read the part where i said it was easier.

How so?

This isnt an arguement with you friend. Its common knowledge people like to agree.

[Machazareel]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

Repeating the same wrong statement doesn't magically make it right, friend.

[kaisterbahn]

High school might be too hard for you. Might as well drop out beforehand.