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[savionen]

2/10.

2 because this thread has 5 pages in 45 minutes.

I don't know a single person that actually liked the ending, and I'm the only one that has voted on any polls or even posted on any forums about it.

My best friend even is a bigger ME fan than I am, he just tries to ignore it, plays other games and hopes that they do a DLC ending.

Modifié par savionen, 05 avril 2012 - 12:27 .

[Janus382]

VirtualAlex wrote...

The numbers are based on the Facebook group and twitter name numbers. Not some random poll. You can go check yourself.

My point is, that only 3% of people are demanding a new ending. "Demanding" meaning being vocal about it. Everyone who is vocal (i.e. screaming on the internets) is probably part of the FB or twitter group. Even if you think 3% is low, then fine call it 12%. Bottom line is, you are not the majority and most people are clearly fine with the ending.

Creating a new ending for the 3% is obviously a stupid move.

I'm not in the FB or twitter group (gasp!).   "Call it 12%" is just as abitrary.

"Creating a new ending for 3%" would probably be a stupid move, depending on how much money is spent.  But they are creating "new content/clarity/closure"... therefore, it's probably not "3%".

**I'm not making a claim to minority/majority, as there's no definitive numbers, yadda yadda, read my previous post, etc.**

[Montana]

Show me one poll that shows a majority of people who like the ending.

I have 5 friends who played ME3, they all hated the ending, but none of them is a member of that facebook group.
They've just moved on, won't be buying dlc and are not sure if they want to play ME4 (it was a given for them to play ME3).

Also, OP fails at statistics, it doesn't work that way.
ME3 sales: 2,150,000 copies. Facebook members in group "We love Mass Effect 3": 3253 = Only 0,0015% of customers loves ME3!!

Modifié par Tony77A, 05 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[Quietness]

Bad logic is bad, So to really rub your nose in it. At last check the Supports the Ending Group on Facebook was at just under 700, probably around that number still... So 700 people like the ending and you need to learn how things in the real world work.

[iorveth1271]

VirtualAlex wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...
The BSN forums defy your logic.

Can you say that difinitively? 

Not being vocal =/= being "fine" with the endings.

No more words needed. I saw 5 threads about how people liked the endings and couldn't stand change at. all. the last 2 weeks. I saw countless threads from various people new to the forums saying they hated the endings.

That defies your logic. I have neither a facebook nor a twitter. So I don't fall into your statistic. So much for your great calculation.

[Sublyminal]

kaisterbahn wrote...

High school might be too hard for you. Might as well drop out beforehand.

High School hell, this is common 3rd grade math.

[VirtualAlex]

20x6 wrote...

Remember, research indicates that for every complaint expressed there are over 25 unregistered complaints. 

This is not statistics. This is an INDICATION. If you need to use this to consider yourself in the majority than so be it. I however am not so quick to throw the 1.6 million number out. The averge userbase of Mass Effect are geeks, gamers, and generally internet savvy people who all have facebook accounts, twitter account and the required orgin account. I think a much higher number of them will be vocal than the 1/26 that study demonstrates. However ALL OF THAT is only "indicated research" and hardly statistical fact.

Modifié par VirtualAlex, 05 avril 2012 - 12:29 .

[KingKhan03]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Statistics fail abounds.

Lol how it a statistics fail? Are you people stupid? I simply took 2 numbers. Total sales and fans of "retake" and compated them.

3% of consumers are fans of "retake." The math is 100% transparent and sound.

Do with it what you want. If you want to claim that 90% of people hate the ending and are just keeping it all inside than that's your problem. If you want to play with imaginiary numbers about how each complaint should really count as 25 then make your own pie chart. I only deal with real numbers.

Dude this is why you fail go play ME3 if you loved the ending so much and don't make threads baiting people.

[fpspind]

Except that, of EVERY person I know who has finished the ending, who are all huge fans of the series, all are equally disappointed, but only a few are in the retake movement. Also, a very very poor analysis when you are comparing game sales, and not game completion to start with. I bet of those sales MUCH less than half would have finished the game.

[Tekkez]

Every single person I know who has played the game hates the ending.

And none of them are vocal about it apart from in convos with each other.

It's stupid to say only the vocal ones who come to BSN are the haters. Plenty of people cant be arsed, or just get on with their lives.

The ending has still hurt Biowares rep though, even if they don't come on here or vote in polls.

[Doctor_is_in]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Statistics fail abounds.

Lol how it a statistics fail? Are you people stupid? I simply took 2 numbers. Total sales and fans of "retake" and compated them.

3% of consumers are fans of "retake." The math is 100% transparent and sound.

Do with it what you want. If you want to claim that 90% of people hate the ending and are just keeping it all inside than that's your problem. If you want to play with imaginiary numbers about how each complaint should really count as 25 then make your own pie chart. I only deal with real numbers.

Here's a tip: Calling people stupid will not get you much of anywhere in life. But, then again, trolls don't think before they flamebait.

Modifié par Doctor_is_in, 05 avril 2012 - 12:33 .

[scrapmetals]

You can't make "real numbers" if you don't have all the numbers to start with, ie, the people not complaining because they aren't on the BSN.

[Serp86]

There are alot of people that hate the ending but don't care enough about it to voice their opinion. My guess is at least ~60% of the people that played until the end hated it , 30% are kinda indifferent about it and 10% actually liked it.

[corkey sweet]

for every pro ending thread, there are 20 anti ending threads. i think those numbers speak louder than your facebook numbers friend

[cutegigi]

Sublyminal wrote...

kaisterbahn wrote...

High school might be too hard for you. Might as well drop out beforehand.

High School hell, this is common 3rd grade math.

a little bit harsh to force OP drop 3rd grade.....:innocent:

[Liber320]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Statistics fail abounds.

Lol how it a statistics fail? Are you people stupid? I simply took 2 numbers. Total sales and fans of "retake" and compated them.

3% of consumers are fans of "retake." The math is 100% transparent and sound.

Do with it what you want. If you want to claim that 90% of people hate the ending and are just keeping it all inside than that's your problem. If you want to play with imaginiary numbers about how each complaint should really count as 25 then make your own pie chart. I only deal with real numbers.

The problem is, you compared the wrong two numbers. Coparing the facebook "retake" members with sales reveals nothing.

"Imaginary numbers"?

THe ability of some people to be willfully ignorant never ceases to amaze me.


Again, gain some knowledge in statistics before you try to make a point with it, or you'll just fall flat on your face and be a hilarious example of the human capacity for ignorance

[iorveth1271]

VirtualAlex wrote...

20x6 wrote...

Remember, research indicates that for every complaint expressed there are over 25 unregistered complaints. 

This is not statistics. This is an INDICATION. If you need to use this to consider yourself in the majority than so be it. I however am not so quick to throw the 1.6 million number out. The averge userbase of Mass Effect are geeks, gamers, and generally internet savvy people who all have facebook accounts, twitter account and the required orgin account. I think a much higher number of them will be vocal than the 1/26 that study demonstrates. However ALL OF THAT is only "indicated research" and hardly statistical fact.

So you just... said something that completely contradicts your OP?

Modifié par iorveth1271, 05 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[VirtualAlex]

Tekkez wrote...
It's stupid to say only the vocal ones who come to BSN are the haters. Plenty of people cant be arsed, or just get on with their lives.

Never said that.

[yahtzo]

Blatant troll attempt.

[20x6]

Nobrandminda wrote...

20x6 wrote...

More like 1 to 1.5 million disappointed.... and growing.


source:  
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/hr005 
Actively Seeking Customer ComplaintsIt is important to realize that organizations that are totally customer-focused do not just respond effectively to customer complaints; they actively seek them out. What specific activities does your organization utilize to provide customers with easy opportunities to register their dissatisfaction? Are these activities sufficient? Remember, research indicates that for every complaint expressed there are over 25 unregistered complaints. Many dissatisfied customers just quietly take their business elsewhere. Therefore, organizations that are truly committed to delivering Superior Customer Performance work hard at providing their customers opportunities to complain. What opportunities exist for your organization to more aggressively invite and receive customer complaints? No organization is so perfect in the delivery of Superior Customer Performance that significant levels of dissatisfaction (the source of complaints) do not exist. No news from customers regarding your performance is not necessarily good news.

Ah, here's the statistic I was looking for.

Even if you assume that the 66,000 people on the Retake Mass Effect facebook group are the only ones who have expressed a complaint (and their not) that would put the number of people unsatisfied with the ending at about 1.6 million.

Yeah.  I deal with this at work every day.

I don't think the OP understands the dynamic fully, but I do give respect for using actual numbers.  Even what I've estimated may be off since videogames aren't my profession.  That's why I made the swing of 500k since video games generally get more press and have more open complaint venues than any other business out there.

The donations and the number of people supporting this "movement" coupled with the slew of bad reviews on sites.... 
I don't want this... but I've always had a good radar for it.... heads are going to roll....

[VirtualAlex]

Liber320 wrote...
The problem is, you compared the wrong two numbers. Coparing the facebook "retake" members with sales reveals nothing.

"Imaginary numbers"?

THe ability of some people to be willfully ignorant never ceases to amaze me.

Again, gain some knowledge in statistics before you try to make a point with it, or you'll just fall flat on your face and be a hilariaus example of the human capacity for ignorance

Out of all the people that purchased ME3, 66,000 of them have actively joined the retake movement.

The wrong two numbers? In order to find out how many people out of all ME3 consumers are members of the retake movement they seem like the perfect two numbers.

And you are calling me ignorant?

[the red boon]

Only a fool would say the quiet ones enjoyed the endings. Every person at work and friends I've talked to about the endings have hated it but they didn't join retake. So good job for assuming but you fail.

[Liber320]

VirtualAlex wrote...


The averge userbase of Mass Effect are geeks, gamers, and generally internet savvy people who all have facebook accounts, twitter account and the required orgin account. I think a much higher number of them will be vocal than the 1/26 that study demonstrates. However ALL OF THAT is only "indicated research" and hardly statistical fact.

And where, pray tell, are you getting these "facts" from?

Or are they simply your own personal assumptions?

[IanPolaris]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Liber320 wrote...
The problem is, you compared the wrong two numbers. Coparing the facebook "retake" members with sales reveals nothing.

"Imaginary numbers"?

THe ability of some people to be willfully ignorant never ceases to amaze me.

Again, gain some knowledge in statistics before you try to make a point with it, or you'll just fall flat on your face and be a hilariaus example of the human capacity for ignorance

Out of all the people that purchased ME3, 66,000 of them have actively joined the retake movement.

The wrong two numbers? In order to find out how many people out of all ME3 consumers are members of the retake movement they seem like the perfect two numbers.

And you are calling me ignorant?

Which doesn't prove what you think it does.  Enough said.  Your analysis is comes nowhere close to scientific statistical validity.  Again, enough said.

-Polaris

[Johcande XX]

As an engineer who took college courses in statistics, I am seriously loving this thread.