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[killnoob]

as a non-retaker myself, your statistics and logic is making me embarrassed...please, the assumption of "only 3% are not happy with the ending", and "97% of players do not want a new ending" is just wrong...

[PSUHammer]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Dragonfable of Dain wrote...

I thought we have already decided that there was no way to determine the exact amount of people on either side...

You are right there isn't a way.

However the retake mass effect movement has a very specific goal "to get the ending changed" and I figured measureing it's memebers is pretty accurate of zealous detractors. Obviously I know many people are simply silent.

Only about 10% of people will make thier opinion on somehing known be it positive or negative.

And, to your point, many more would do it if the opinion is negative, as you can tell from the first page of this forum.

[WyntrKat]

Thanks for the laugh OP, I needed that!

[AlienSpaceBats]

Not really a valid source; I hated (despised) the ending and the chart uses numbers of Retake members, FaceBook likes and Twitter followers. I don't use FB, Twitter and am not a "member" of the Retake movement, and I'm very likely not alone in that.

[MentalKase]

Players just playing Mass Effect 3 probably don't care about the endings. But the pie chart doesn't refelect those who didn't enjoy the ending and not asking for a return on the product but another ending or endings to be added on ones that have been supplied. I feel the majority of the poeple who has played all three games are disappointed. My freinds that have played all three games are all dissappointed with how the game ended. That makes me believe that I am in the majority. Games returns don't prove that majority enjoy the ending just that they enjoyed the game. The game is great a prefect Ten up unitill you go into the beam.

[lasertank]

90% out of that "97%" part are not satisfied with current endings. BTW, those reviewers are indeed vocal minority.

[OblivionDawn]

Sparatus wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

So a guy puts skewed statistics on a pie graph in a gaudy-looking website and expects people to think he's credible.

Lrn2Statistics.

Well, this is the internet.

True, but he could have made the website less painful to look at, at least.

[AcesRedd]

VirtualAlex wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

And where do you take the 66.000? So in your opinion the RM3 group consists of nobody but the people on Facebook and Twitter? Is the Bioware fan community now only consisting of third-party members and not even members of their own board?

Your calculations are weird.

Well I can't possibly go find everyone, but as a metric of "measuring support" of the retake movement I figured the official Facebook group that everyone links too and twitter account were about as good as I could do. I don't think they are weird I am not hiding any numbers.

If you know of a secret underground where 100,000 more supporters are hiding then you know something I dont.

Wait so instead of using the dislikes why don't you use the Likes the ending people to figure it out. Okay so 700 people like it, oh my God, out of how many sold? everyone else must obviously hate it!

I know we're not allowed to directly insult people in the forums, but please Mods or BW or anyone tell me what you do when you see something, that acts like a something, thinks like a something, and is painfully that something, shoud I call it a duck or should I call it what it is; a *****?

[Nobrandminda]

VirtualAlex wrote...
So... you are assuming that out of the 97% who aren't part of the retake groups... more than 50% of those people actually hate the ending and keep it a secret?

Using your personal group of friends, who proably share your thoughts and rely on each other for input as the benchmark for the rest of the world is what is ASSUMING.

I am not using "what my friends think" as evidence to make this pie chart. I used real numbers.

You're laboring under the delusion that there are only two states of being.

Either people liked the ending.
Or people are on the Retake Mass Effect Facebook group.

This is wrong.  It has already been explained to you several times why it is wrong.  To reiterate: those who complain about a product only represent a fraction of the number of people who are unsatisfied with the product.  Depending on which business class you take, you would be told that every one complaint represents a number of unsatisfied customers.  Twenty five is one such number.  I've also seen the "Rule of 43," where one unsatisfied customer tells 6 friends about his experience, who in turn tell 6 of their friends about the experience, leading to 43 people who have a negative view of your business.

As a personal example, I hate the ending, and everyone I know who's played the game dislikes the ending to some degree.  Am I in the facebook group?  No, and neither is anyone else I know.  There are a variety of reasons for this.  For some it's to keep their facebook page somewhat professional for potential employers.  For others, it is to respect a friend who hasn't finished the game yet.  In any case, there are many, many people who dislike the ending, but haven't liked the Retake Mass Effect page.  

[Plasma Prestige]

 Whoever made that pie chart is a faulty statistician. 

If the othertwo million buyers didn't voice an opinion, it does not mean that they don't have an opinion. I know I don't really bother complaining about certain games' shortcomings because I am not a fan of those games. I move on after the first playthrough to another game.

[AcesRedd]

AlienSpaceBats wrote...

Not really a valid source; I hated (despised) the ending and the chart uses numbers of Retake members, FaceBook likes and Twitter followers. I don't use FB, Twitter and am not a "member" of the Retake movement, and I'm very likely not alone in that.

^ Also, this for me.

[species.zero]

VirtualAlex wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

And where do you take the 66.000? So in your opinion the RM3 group consists of nobody but the people on Facebook and Twitter? Is the Bioware fan community now only consisting of third-party members and not even members of their own board?

Your calculations are weird.

Well I can't possibly go find everyone, but as a metric of "measuring support" of the retake movement I figured the official Facebook group that everyone links too and twitter account were about as good as I could do. I don't think they are weird I am not hiding any numbers.

If you know of a secret underground where 100,000 more supporters are hiding then you know something I dont.

How about people who dislike the ending but aren't vocal on the internet about it? You're making the false assumption that everyone who does not participate in discussions online are okay with the ending. Statistics don't work that way. While polls about the ending are likely slanted towards those who dislike the ending, not every person who dislikes the ending participates. In fact, given statistics on percentages who are vocal about something, a vast majority of those discontent with the ending haven't said anything at all about it on the internet.

[Serp86]

Considering i had 2 semesters of mathematics with statistics ( god i hate that crap ) in college looking just about everywhere on the internet for user reviews and opnions of people who played the game is a pretty good indicator as a  sample of how many people liked the ending ....

Are the numbers as bad this would indicate ? Probably not but that doesn't mean its positive...

Modifié par Serp86, 05 avril 2012 - 12:53 .

[Beta-Breech]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Hahahaha lol all you kids know that once they release even a HINT of ending DLC for 800 MS points you are going to run and buy it.

Hahahaha you're such a refreshing troll.   




I digress however whilst you may be refreshing you're certainly not intelligent.  


Oh did I say refreshing?  I meant repetitive.  

[Bernhardtbr]

Bloody retarded OP. Where are the moderators? This thread should be flushed down the toilet like a rotten tank krogan.

[Kesak12]

what about those of us who didnt take the poll or follow twitter.

[NormanRawn]

Doesn't matter if we are or not, it only takes ONE person to accurately point out a flaw for it to be true.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

VirtualAlex wrote...

Read all about it! And see the cool pie chart!

Your statistical research methodology leaves much to be desired.

[VirtualAlex]

killnoob wrote...

as a non-retaker myself, your statistics and logic is making me embarrassed...please, the assumption of "only 3% are not happy with the ending", and "97% of players do not want a new ending" is just wrong...

Why are you making quotes marks around those statement when I never said them?

97% are NOT part of the retake movement, as shown by them not being a member on FB or twitter (which is where it is orginized). I said nothing beyond that.

[killnoob]

Hudson/Walters would be happy to see such statistics...

[SumthingStupid789]

so youre going to tell me that everybody who bought mass effect 3 has an internet connection, completed the story mode, has facebook, or has joined the page

[DarkShadow]

Anyone with knowledge of economic statistics and math knows it's NOT a minority. Sadly, few people know math and statistics...

[Swanmate]

Really, people? 9 Pages? Troll has already won.

[KingKhan03]

VirtualAlex wrote...

killnoob wrote...

as a non-retaker myself, your statistics and logic is making me embarrassed...please, the assumption of "only 3% are not happy with the ending", and "97% of players do not want a new ending" is just wrong...

Why are you making quotes marks around those statement when I never said them?

97% are NOT part of the retake movement, as shown by them not being a member on FB or twitter (which is where it is orginized). I said nothing beyond that.

So then what's the point of the thread? nobody said The Retake movement have a million people in it we just said that they have enough fans to make themselves heard.